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Every Batman reflects it’s era.

After reading a thread elsewhere about making a Film Noir version of Batman '89, turning it a black and white movie, I watched the old open matte version DVD recently with the color in my tv turned off and it was an interesting experience. It really looks like it was shot that way.

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Where were you in '77?

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Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

Handman said:

I’m glad it won Best Picture over Boyhood.

How dare you say that. Didn’t you know it took 12 years to make?

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s common on the internet for people to pretend that Boyhood is a bad movie and complain about it even though they haven’t seen it because a couple of homeless youtube critics didn’t like it.

I’m not complaining about it being bad. I’m joking about the pretention that someone wasting 12 years to shoot a movie inherently makes it good, which was a joke among people who actually didn’t like it after watching (can you tell I’m an RLM fan?). I haven’t seen it and I have no interest in it beyond mild curiousity.

EDIT: Also the RLM group (if you weren’t referring to them sorry for misunderstanding) is far from a bunch of homeless youtube critics. At least they’ve actually made some movies. I don’t know if they’re good though because I haven’t gotten around to watching them.

I’ve been watching RLM since before you finished elementary school. I just find their shittiest and most unfunny and irrelevant meme obnoxious because it’s overused and not funny. It isn’t a joke among people who actually didn’t like it after watching, it’s a joke told by people who haven’t seen the move but saw RLM tell the joke, like you.

Because they definitely didn’t use that joke again after the initial review? Oh wait, they did. It’s a joke that they made, and occasionally it pops up again. That’s generally how inside jokes with friends work. Of course fans who enjoy the joke continue to make it when relevant in some way. I don’t see how it’s obnoxious.

They created that joke after their original review and also ran it into the ground in their unfunny and over-the-top follow up video that is similar in humor-style to the Ghostbusters remake. They gave the film credit for being an interesting experiment in their initial review. It’s obnoxious because it’s not funny. At all. It’s also obnoxious because it’s just an example of the cult-worship that I wish RLM didn’t have because they’re a great channel, but the fans’ worship of them annoys me. I think it annoys them too based on some little comments they’ve made.

And I don’t think the fact that I’m younger than you or that you’ve watched their material for a longer time than me is relevant to this conversation.

It was because you were telling me about RLM’s great accomplishments. By the way, my homeless person comment is pretty similar to how they would make fun of themselves.

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

ray_afraid said:

Dek Rollins said:

I haven’t seen it and I have no interest in it beyond mild curiousity.

But IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAAAAAAKE!! How can you just sit there not watching it!?

Exactly! That’s why I’m so excited to watch

BOYHOOD

Wow, hilarious.

Exactly.

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Handman said:

I watched both when they were in theaters. I enjoyed both, but expected Boyhood to swamp all the awards, so rooted for Birdman because I felt it was the underdog and more entertaining. Boyhood was an experience, but one I wouldn’t really want to revisit.

I agree on Boyhood. I never saw Birdman, though.

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Handman said:

I watched both when they were in theaters. I enjoyed both, but expected Boyhood to swamp all the awards, so rooted for Birdman because I felt it was the underdog and more entertaining. Boyhood was an experience, but one I wouldn’t really want to revisit.

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Everything is a product of its time.

But some more than others. I once again point to how Superman, although made 10 years earlier, ends up being much more timeless.

I mean, you may not be wrong, but you can’t tell me that Superman doesn’t ooze the seventies at some moments as well.


Fair enough. I guess what I’m trying to say is Batman feels like a movie of its time rather than a Batman movie, while Superman feels more faithful to the character. Superman is the first thing I’d point to if someone wanted me to explain the character, while Batman isn’t. It’s still a solid movie and I really enjoy it to this day.

Well as I’ve said multiple times already, it’s a Burton movie. And by extension it’s not a Batman movie. So if you’re judging it by faithfulness to the source, ok. I don’t care about superheroes so I don’t care if it’s a Batman movie.

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Both Superman and Batman actually do have a timeless quality to them, as both seem to evoke earlier eras in addition to current and futuristic elements.

Batman, however, features a lot of Prince music, which makes it seem dated. This is not a bad thing.

Superman is still the better movie, though.

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DominicCobb said:

Superman is still the better movie, though.

Maybe if you give a shit about Superman.

Batman is a more interesting movie with better acting and music and production design (and directing, maybe?..I’m not a film industry insider). I prefer Batman by a Gotham mile.

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Sure, but it’s still a very flawed movie.

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TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Sure, but it’s still a very flawed movie.

Like, Batman flawed, or movie flawed?

Movie flawed. I kid you not, the only interesting character in it is Jack Nicholson.

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Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Sure, but it’s still a very flawed movie.

Like, Batman flawed, or movie flawed?

Movie flawed. I kid you not, the only interesting character in it is Jack Nicholson.

Oh ok you’re talking about personal opinion flawed, and that is definitely your personal opinion, one which I find flawed.

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I don’t understand. Could you make a real argument?

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TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Superman is still the better movie, though.

Maybe if you give a shit about Superman.

Batman is a more interesting movie with better acting and music and production design (and directing, maybe?..I’m not a film industry insider). I prefer Batman by a Gotham mile.

For the record, I think they’re about on par.

Which is to say, they’re both okay.

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Handman said:

I don’t understand. Could you make a real argument?

How is that not a real argument. I thought you were saying the movie is flawed from a technical (movie-making) standpoint, but it turns out you don’t like the characters. Which is an personal opinion, and since I disagree, I said it’s an opinion which is flawed…in my opinion.

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DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Superman is still the better movie, though.

Maybe if you give a shit about Superman.

Batman is a more interesting movie with better acting and music and production design (and directing, maybe?..I’m not a film industry insider). I prefer Batman by a Gotham mile.

For the record, I think they’re about on par.

Which is to say, they’re both okay.

But you just said Superman is better so…?

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TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

I don’t understand. Could you make a real argument?

How is that not a real argument. I thought you were saying the movie is flawed from a technical (movie-making) standpoint, but it turns out you don’t like the characters. Which is an personal opinion, and since I disagree, I said it’s an opinion which is flawed…in my opinion.

Ok.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Dek Rollins said:

Handman said:

I’m glad it won Best Picture over Boyhood.

How dare you say that. Didn’t you know it took 12 years to make?

moviefreakedmind said:

It’s common on the internet for people to pretend that Boyhood is a bad movie and complain about it even though they haven’t seen it because a couple of homeless youtube critics didn’t like it.

I’m not complaining about it being bad. I’m joking about the pretention that someone wasting 12 years to shoot a movie inherently makes it good, which was a joke among people who actually didn’t like it after watching (can you tell I’m an RLM fan?). I haven’t seen it and I have no interest in it beyond mild curiousity.

EDIT: Also the RLM group (if you weren’t referring to them sorry for misunderstanding) is far from a bunch of homeless youtube critics. At least they’ve actually made some movies. I don’t know if they’re good though because I haven’t gotten around to watching them.

I’ve been watching RLM since before you finished elementary school. I just find their shittiest and most unfunny and irrelevant meme obnoxious because it’s overused and not funny. It isn’t a joke among people who actually didn’t like it after watching, it’s a joke told by people who haven’t seen the move but saw RLM tell the joke, like you.

Because they definitely didn’t use that joke again after the initial review? Oh wait, they did. It’s a joke that they made, and occasionally it pops up again. That’s generally how inside jokes with friends work. Of course fans who enjoy the joke continue to make it when relevant in some way. I don’t see how it’s obnoxious.

They created that joke after their original review and also ran it into the ground in their unfunny and over-the-top follow up video that is similar in humor-style to the Ghostbusters remake. They gave the film credit for being an interesting experiment in their initial review. It’s obnoxious because it’s not funny. At all. It’s also obnoxious because it’s just an example of the cult-worship that I wish RLM didn’t have because they’re a great channel, but the fans’ worship of them annoys me. I think it annoys them too based on some little comments they’ve made.

They’ve mentioned the annoyance of youtube comments overusing the “is Susan replacing Jay?” joke, but I guess I don’t remember them alluding to much else. And my brain just mashed the follow-up video and the review together, so I apologize for my faulty statement. And they have referenced that joke after that, such as “it took 12 days to make” or something like that in a Best of the Worst episode.

And I don’t think the fact that I’m younger than you or that you’ve watched their material for a longer time than me is relevant to this conversation.

It was because you were telling me about RLM’s great accomplishments. By the way, my homeless person comment is pretty similar to how they would make fun of themselves.

I couldn’t remember if you had been a fan of them or not, so I was just clarifying that they do have trustworthy opinions where film critisism is concerned. And when they make fun of themselves, it’s all in good fun. You made an offhand comment referencing them in a negative light, conversing with several people who don’t watch their stuff. There is a small difference in the way that may be perceived.

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

ray_afraid said:

Dek Rollins said:

I haven’t seen it and I have no interest in it beyond mild curiousity.

But IT TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAAAAAAKE!! How can you just sit there not watching it!?

Exactly! That’s why I’m so excited to watch

BOYHOOD

Wow, hilarious.

Exactly.

I find it funny, therefore by rule of Frink, it doesn’t matter if others are annoyed.

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Dek Rollins said:

I find it funny, therefore by rule of Frink, it doesn’t matter if others are annoyed.

No, it doesn’t matter if certain specific others are annoyed. Get it right.

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Superman is also just a better looking movie than Batman. IIRC Superman had the same DP as 2001, so of course.

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suspiciouscoffee said:

Superman is also just a better looking movie than Batman.

Again, personal preference. I prefer Burton’s New York to whatshisface’s California.

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I too prefer Batman. Then again, I find Superman (the character) to be somewhat boring.

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Dek Rollins said:
I find it funny, therefore by rule of Frink, it doesn’t matter if others are annoyed.

The problem is that it’s not funny.

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TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

I don’t understand. Could you make a real argument?

How is that not a real argument. I thought you were saying the movie is flawed from a technical (movie-making) standpoint, but it turns out you don’t like the characters. Which is an personal opinion, and since I disagree, I said it’s an opinion which is flawed…in my opinion.

Characterization is important to a movie’s quality. Lumping that in with “Batman flaws” implies the issue has to do with relation to the source material, when it actually goes beyond that.

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TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Superman is still the better movie, though.

Maybe if you give a shit about Superman.

Batman is a more interesting movie with better acting and music and production design (and directing, maybe?..I’m not a film industry insider). I prefer Batman by a Gotham mile.

For the record, I think they’re about on par.

Which is to say, they’re both okay.

But you just said Superman is better so…?

…it is? I think it’s better, but I don’t think it’s that much better.