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Mrebo said:

Maybe the focus on ineffective broad proposals is the problem. Raising the age to own a firearm to 21 would be more focused and I think legally defensible.

the inevitable argument would be “whoa, I’m old enough to be drafted to carry a weapon in a war, but not old enough to buy one myself???”

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Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Maybe the focus on ineffective broad proposals is the problem. Raising the age to own a firearm to 21 would be more focused and I think legally defensible.

the inevitable argument would be “whoa, I’m old enough to be drafted to carry a weapon in a war, but not old enough to buy one myself???”

Raise the draft age. Or, even better, eliminate the draft.

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Jeebus said:

Warbler said:

Mrebo said:

Maybe the focus on ineffective broad proposals is the problem. Raising the age to own a firearm to 21 would be more focused and I think legally defensible.

the inevitable argument would be “whoa, I’m old enough to be drafted to carry a weapon in a war, but not old enough to buy one myself???”

Raise the draft age.

You’d have to do more than that, you’d also have raise the age at which one can willingly join the armed forces

Or, even better, eliminate the draft.

it is needed for emergencies.

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Collipso said:

Not sure if it has been mentioned but apparently the killer was a white supremacist. Nice.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-latest-nikolas-cruz-white-supremacist-republic-parkland-school-a8212851.html

Apparently 4Chan made that up.

EDIT: Don’t have a source, just heard about it.

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yhwx said:

I’d actually be OK with banning all guns.

I’d be fine with it too. I know it will never happen though because America.

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How is 4Chan able to do that and get it out there to the point it is believed to be serious news?

I will say that Cruz isn’t white supremacist sounding name.

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TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

I’d actually be OK with banning all guns.

I’d be fine with it too. I know it will never happen though because America.

Well at least bump stocks are illegal now thanks to Vegas. Every single politician said they wanted to ban them so thank goodness that happened at least.

Wait, what?

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Dek Rollins said:

Collipso said:

Not sure if it has been mentioned but apparently the killer was a white supremacist. Nice.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/florida-shooting-latest-nikolas-cruz-white-supremacist-republic-parkland-school-a8212851.html

Apparently 4Chan made that up.

EDIT: Don’t have a source, just heard about it.

Great sourcing then!

Anyway…

https://www.adl.org/blog/florida-white-supremacist-group-admits-ties-to-alleged-parkland-school-shooter-nikolas-cruz

UPDATE: On Thursday afternoon, following news reports of the alleged association between Cruz and the Republic of Florida, a member of an alt right discussion forum wrote that all of the claims were false and were part of an elaborate attempt to troll a network news reporter and other media outlets. At a press conference Thursday afternoon, the Broward County sheriff said a connection was “not confirmed at this time,” but that law enforcement was still investigating.

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In the meantime, Russian bots are saying he was a registered Democrat and member of Antifa (no, I didn’t make that up). Who can you believe? The truth must be somewhere in between.

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Mrebo said:

When the Court writes of weapons “in common use,” I think that obviously concerns something more than just the method of loading it.

Well, this has been interesting IMO, but I wanted to add one more thing on this point. I wouldn’t ever actually ever suggest banning breech loaders (yeah, not even CatBus would want that), but breech loading is more that just a method of loading, in its design implications. First off, the projectile is different. In a muzzle loader, it’s just a dumb ball, and you add the powder and wad separately. Boom, it’s just a dumb handheld carronade. In a (modern) breech loader, the bullet is the ball, powder, and wad all at once. Add to that your faster reload time and you’ve got a great increase in speed of fire. Then there’s advancements like rifling, which aren’t really practical in muzzle loaders. So muzzle loaders are slow and inaccurate compared to breech loaders. It’s much more than just a method of loading it. And while technically British soldiers had a handful of Fergusons during the US Revolution, they were very exotic and were quickly retired in favor of what was then the standard musket. AFAIK there were rarer to nonexistent among colonial militias and not a consideration of the drafters of the Second Amendment.

But I’ve got no problem at all with people keeping Winchesters and the like around for varmint control and whatnot, and they are way post-militia. They’re just not as fun and easy as firing an AR-15, which is IMO completely irrelevant in a matter of public safety.

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Warbler said:

I will say that Cruz isn’t white supremacist sounding name.

There have been, and presumably still are, neo-Nazis of Jewish heritage. And the worse homophobes are often homosexual themselves. Bigotry need not make sense.

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yhwx said:

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Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

I don’t think removing guns (or certain type of guns) from millions of law abiding citizens will work either. Besides that would be illegal.

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Rask40 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

I don’t think removing guns (or certain type of guns) from millions of law abiding citizens will work either. Besides that would be illegal.

Depends on one’s interpretation of the 2nd amendment. Also an amendment could be passed to allow for the removing of guns. Of course I realize that would be extremely unlikely to happen.

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Warbler said:

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Warbler said:

I will say that Cruz isn’t white supremacist sounding name.

I guess that is a pic of the nut that did the shooting?

Yes. Do you get the point though? You said Cruz isn’t a name you’d associate with white supremacy. Is Cruz a name you’d associate with that face? Surnames don’t matter.

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Rask40 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

I don’t think removing guns (or certain type of guns) from millions of law abiding citizens will work either. Besides that would be illegal.

“I will make it legal.”

Hahaha just kidding no one will ever make it legal to take any kind of gun away from anyone because this country is dumb as fuck. And the proof is that it doesn’t matter how many kids are killed by assault weapons.

Frankly, this is all the Founding Father’s fault. Great job guys.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I will say that Cruz isn’t white supremacist sounding name.

I guess that is a pic of the nut that did the shooting?

Yes. Do you get the point though? You said Cruz isn’t a name you’d associate with white supremacy. Is Cruz a name you’d associate with that face? Surnames don’t matter.

Surnames can be an indicator of place of origin. For example if you someone had the last O’Leary, and that was all you knew about the person wouldn’t you maybe think he could be Irish?

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I will say that Cruz isn’t white supremacist sounding name.

I guess that is a pic of the nut that did the shooting?

Yes. Do you get the point though? You said Cruz isn’t a name you’d associate with white supremacy. Is Cruz a name you’d associate with that face? Surnames don’t matter.

Surnames can be an indicator of place of origin. For example if you someone had the last O’Leary, and that was all you knew about the person wouldn’t you maybe think he could be Irish?

“Can be.”

Since they also may not be, there’s no point in using that logic. Does he look like a Cruz to you? No? So no point in worrying what his name is.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

I will say that Cruz isn’t white supremacist sounding name.

I guess that is a pic of the nut that did the shooting?

Yes. Do you get the point though? You said Cruz isn’t a name you’d associate with white supremacy. Is Cruz a name you’d associate with that face? Surnames don’t matter.

Surnames can be an indicator of place of origin. For example if you someone had the last O’Leary, and that was all you knew about the person wouldn’t you maybe think he could be Irish?

“Can be.”

Since they also may not be, there’s no point in using that logic. Does he look like a Cruz to you? No? So no point in worrying what his name is.

I never said someone with the last of Cruz couldn’t be white.