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Warbler said:

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

This is how.

But it helps if you completely disregard the whole “well-regulated” clause which implies some sort of… well, regulation. With that part carefully excised, what you’ve got remaining is the current Supreme Court interpretation.

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Warbler said:

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

BECAUSE OUR GUN LAWS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND EVERY TIME THIS SHIT HAPPENS AND ANY SORT OF SANE REGULATIONS ARE PROPOSED PEOPLE WHINE “BUT NO MUH FREEDUMZ” AND NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS AND EVERYONE IS SHOCKED WHEN IT INEVITABLY FUCKING HAPPENS AGAIN A WEEK LATER.

I say this as a gun owner, but holy shit it should not have been as easy as it was for me to legally get one without any sort of training or proof that I actually know how to use one.

Fuck our country’s gun laws.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

BECAUSE OUR GUN LAWS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND EVERY TIME THIS SHIT HAPPENS AND ANY SORT OF SANE REGULATIONS ARE PROPOSED PEOPLE WHINE “BUT NO MUH FREEDUMZ” AND NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS AND EVERYONE IS SHOCKED WHEN IT INEVITABLY FUCKING HAPPENS AGAIN A WEEK LATER.

I say this as a gun owner, but holy shit it should not have been as easy as it was for me to legally get one without any sort of training or proof that I actually know how to use one.

Fuck our country’s gun laws.

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

If more protections were put in place, the people who have a desire to mutilate other human beings will go to the trouble of acquiring weapons anyway, legally or not. It won’t inherently solve the problem, just make it so that it doesn’t occur as often because it’s more difficult for them. Though of course that’s better than nothing.

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This might be my last post in this thread since I don’t think I contribute to it at all:

While I do understand why some people would want to have a handgun in their drawer just in case, I fail to see any logic whatsoever behind people arguing that we shouldn’t take automatic rifles or any sort of military-grade weapon out of the marked.

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Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

BECAUSE OUR GUN LAWS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND EVERY TIME THIS SHIT HAPPENS AND ANY SORT OF SANE REGULATIONS ARE PROPOSED PEOPLE WHINE “BUT NO MUH FREEDUMZ” AND NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS AND EVERYONE IS SHOCKED WHEN IT INEVITABLY FUCKING HAPPENS AGAIN A WEEK LATER.

I say this as a gun owner, but holy shit it should not have been as easy as it was for me to legally get one without any sort of training or proof that I actually know how to use one.

Fuck our country’s gun laws.

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

If more protections were put in place, the people who have a desire to mutilate other human beings will go to the trouble of acquiring weapons anyway, legally or not. It won’t inherently solve the problem, just make it so that it doesn’t occur as often because it’s more difficult for them. Though of course that’s better than nothing.

Nope. This is the only country where this happens, and this is the only country with the least strict laws. So this theory of “people would buy guns anyway” is just not supported by the evidence.

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Dek Rollins said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

I’d like to know how the hell someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues was allowed to legally buy guns.

BECAUSE OUR GUN LAWS ARE A FUCKING JOKE AND EVERY TIME THIS SHIT HAPPENS AND ANY SORT OF SANE REGULATIONS ARE PROPOSED PEOPLE WHINE “BUT NO MUH FREEDUMZ” AND NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS AND EVERYONE IS SHOCKED WHEN IT INEVITABLY FUCKING HAPPENS AGAIN A WEEK LATER.

I say this as a gun owner, but holy shit it should not have been as easy as it was for me to legally get one without any sort of training or proof that I actually know how to use one.

Fuck our country’s gun laws.

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

In Florida, you don’t need a permit, license, or registration, and Florida still has the gun show loophole, so as far as I can tell, the only obstacle to getting a gun in Florida is having enough money.

EDIT: Oh, and gun sellers don’t have to be licensed either. Who the hell is running this state?

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Collipso said:

This might be my last post in this thread since I don’t think I contribute to it at all:

I disagree.

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Collipso said:

This might be my last post in this thread since I don’t think I contribute to it at all:

While I do understand why some people would want to have a handgun in their drawer just in case, I fail to see any logic whatsoever behind people arguing that we shouldn’t take automatic rifles or any sort of military-grade weapon out of the marked.

Hey, stick around. We like you. Even if we think your avatar from a distance looks like a green robot head.

There’s all kinds of angles to this issue. The “having a handgun in a drawer” statement is itself subject to a thousand questions. Is the drawer locked, or does the gun have a trigger lock? Is the gun loaded? Is ammunition stored in the same drawer as the gun? Has the gun been sitting, unmaintained, in that same drawer for several decades? Does anyone else know that gun is there? Does having a gun in your home make your family more safe or less safe? (okay, we actually know the answer to this one: less safe)

Like all controversial issues, people try to work on “edge cases” first. Mass shootings, automatic weapons, semiautomatics, bump stocks, background checks, etc. Now, all of these are “gimme” options: lots of public support, no downsides. Except they can’t even pass most of these restrictions because of the NRA. The problem is they really only deal with edge cases. But if you want to cause a meaningful change, IMO you’re going to have to start talking about restricting handguns as well. And I’m fine with that.

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Dek Rollins said:

I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

obviously not enough since someone the FBI thought was suspicious and whom had mental issues could legally buy guns.

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Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

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Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

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I thought there were all sorts of barriers in place and background checks and such for getting a license as well as purchasing the weapon itself. Perhaps I’m not remembering correctly.

I paid about $75 for a lifetime concealed carry permit. They supposedly did a background check and fingerprinted me for it, but it took like two days, so fuck knows how hard they actually looked. On top of that, I was gifted a 1911A1 handgun and was shocked to discover that I don’t have to register it in any way, shape, or form. So if I go out and shoot someone in the head with it, wipe my prints off really well, and ditch the gun, there’s nothing to tie it back to me.

If more protections were put in place, the people who have a desire to mutilate other human beings will go to the trouble of acquiring weapons anyway, legally or not.

I’m so fucking sick of hearing this excuse. “They’ll get guns illegally anyway, so why bother?” Fuck everything about that.

And yes, I know you followed it up with:

It won’t inherently solve the problem, just make it so that it doesn’t occur as often because it’s more difficult for them. Though of course that’s better than nothing.

Yep, that’s better than nothing, but “they’ll get them illegally anyway” is literally the excuse that’s been used for years to do exactly that - nothing. And people keep fucking dying.

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If you don’t advocate for some solution, any solution, you are advocating for the continued death of children.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

This. We had armed security in my high school. Ten years ago. Yep, that’s working real super great, isn’t it?

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

Yeah, the “we need armed security guards” argument has been coming up since Columbine. Except Columbine had armed security guards. So did Parkland. Schools are sprawling, public-access facilities. Effectively locking them down against armed attackers would require redesigning the entire facility to operate more like a prison.

And they won’t even fix a leaking roof, so even that unattractive option is unrealistic.

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yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

if the school in Florida had armed police officers already in the building, I’d like to know what the heck they were doing while the nut was shooting about 31 people(I have heard 17 dead and 14 hurt, which equals 31 shot).

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Also do all schools have police officers? Do all schools have armed police officers? Do all schools have enough armed police officers for the size of the school?

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Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

if the school in Florida had armed police officers already in the building, I’d like to know what the heck they were doing while the nut was shooting about 31 people(I have heard 17 dead and 14 hurt, which equals 31 shot).

Compare a sixty-second response time vs. how many times you can fire an AR-15 in sixty seconds. And I’m not saying the guard responded in sixty seconds, which would have been phenomenally fast, considering the size of the campus, normal noise levels, communication, etc.

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CatBus said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

Yeah, the “we need armed security guards” argument has been coming up since Columbine. Except Columbine had armed security guards. So did Parkland. Schools are sprawling, public-access facilities. Effectively locking them down against armed attackers would require redesigning the entire facility to operate more like a prison.

And they won’t even fix a leaking roof, so even that unattractive option is unrealistic.

I don’t think it would require redesigning the schools. Just have armed police officers man various positions throughout the school building. Look any attempt to ban guns is getting stopped over and over again by the NRA and conservatives. Having armed police in schools is something that might pass. I don’t see the NRA or conservatives objecting to it. It is not the optimal solution, but maybe one that can pass. Maybe one that can save lives.

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CatBus said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Well, if we are not going to get rid of the guns, our schools need protection. Maybe not armed teachers, but armed trained police/security guards.

Schools already have police officers in the building. It isn’t working.

if the school in Florida had armed police officers already in the building, I’d like to know what the heck they were doing while the nut was shooting about 31 people(I have heard 17 dead and 14 hurt, which equals 31 shot).

Compare a sixty-second response time vs. how many times you can fire an AR-15 in sixty seconds. And I’m not saying the guard responded in sixty seconds, which would have been phenomenally fast, considering the size of the campus, normal noise levels, communication, etc.

What I am saying is that maybe the school needs enough police officers that the right places in the school so that responses to gun fire can be much fast than sixty seconds. Also does anyone know just how long the shooting when on for? I am willing to bet it took longer than minute for this nut to do all he did.