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Handman said:

What is the point of a debt ceiling if it’s raised every time it’s reached?

The point is to extract a second round of concessions in addition to the concessions you already got for approving the spending in the first place.

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chyron8472 said:

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chyron8472 said:

On the subject of the regulation (or lack thereof) of streaming content, it continues to bother me that streaming services have very little in the way of censorship. I posted in the TV Shows thread about Altered Carbon and dahmage said he doesn’t have the time for yet another non-family friendly show. I agree.

I really wish there was some sort of censorship board for streaming content because I’m sick of professional content producers (like CBS All Access or Netflix) including swearing, violence, and nudity simply because they have no one telling them not to. I would also include HBO, but that particular ship has long since sailed.

Why censor and tie the hands of creatives just because you don’t like bad words? You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob.

It’s not just for my daughter or my wife. It’s for me. I don’t appreciate the gratuitousness of some content being unnecessarily adult. I don’t like Veep swearing like it’s going out of style just because. I don’t like characters in a Star Trek show repeatedly saying “fuck” because it’s edgy and no one says they can’t. They are so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they don’t stop to think if they should.

I mean, they could at least put a MPAA rating info or whatever on the card for a show or movie.

 
I like that OTA TV broadcast content is censored to a degree. Creativity be damned. You don’t need to be vulgar or lewd to show creativity in your writing. Censorship does not inherently stifle creative thought.

Indeed! It was more fun when they slipped things past the censors. 😉

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No censorship, no melon farmers. Know censorship, know melon farmers.

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CatBus said:

No censorship, no melon farmers. Know censorship, know melon farmers.

Don’t mess with melon farmers.

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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

On the subject of the regulation (or lack thereof) of streaming content, it continues to bother me that streaming services have very little in the way of censorship. I posted in the TV Shows thread about Altered Carbon and dahmage said he doesn’t have the time for yet another non-family friendly show. I agree.

I really wish there was some sort of censorship board for streaming content because I’m sick of professional content producers (like CBS All Access or Netflix) including swearing, violence, and nudity simply because they have no one telling them not to. I would also include HBO, but that particular ship has long since sailed.

Why censor and tie the hands of creatives just because you don’t like bad words? You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob.

It’s not just for my daughter or my wife. It’s for me. I don’t appreciate the gratuitousness of some content being unnecessarily adult. I don’t like Veep swearing like it’s going out of style just because. I don’t like characters in a Star Trek show repeatedly saying “fuck” because it’s edgy and no one says they can’t. They are so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they don’t stop to think if they should.

I mean, they could at least put a MPAA rating info or whatever on the card for a show or movie.

You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob or use incredibly common place words that unfortunately hurt your ears.

 
I like that OTA TV broadcast content is censored to a degree. Creativity be damned. You don’t need to be vulgar or lewd to show creativity in your writing. Censorship does not inherently stifle creative thought. Some would even argue that lewdness and vulgarity shows a lack of creativity, rather than showing creative freedom.

So basically you’re wishing that creatives tailor make shows to your personal specifications. Cool.

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chyron8472 said:

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DominicCobb said:

So, a current event. If you brought it in here and asked what people thought about legislation of some sort or, then okay, but you literally just posted the article.

People don’t post current events in here?

In the past when there wasn’t a dedicated current events thread, sure.

I admit I didn’t know there was one.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Current-Events-No-debates-Light-political-discussion-allowed-but-if-it-turns-into-a-debate-take-it-to-the-politics-thread-and-include-a-link-here/id/15013

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chyron8472 said:

Mrebo said:

chyron8472 said:

On the subject of the regulation (or lack thereof) of streaming content, it continues to bother me that streaming services have very little in the way of censorship. I posted in the TV Shows thread about Altered Carbon and dahmage said he doesn’t have the time for yet another non-family friendly show. I agree.

I really wish there was some sort of censorship board for streaming content because I’m sick of professional content producers (like CBS All Access or Netflix) including swearing, violence, and nudity simply because they have no one telling them not to. I would also include HBO, but that particular ship has long since sailed.

Are you an American? I’m curious, not judging 😉

Yes. Why?

I’m not saying producers can’t create mature content. I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can. I wish it was easier to curate content and sift out adult stuff from something safer for my daughter to watch or something my wife wouldn’t want to quickly turn off.

That ethos of censorship is common in other Western countries. I agree would be nice to identify but I’m not keen on government rules censoring content.

The blue elephant in the room.

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DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

On the subject of the regulation (or lack thereof) of streaming content, it continues to bother me that streaming services have very little in the way of censorship. I posted in the TV Shows thread about Altered Carbon and dahmage said he doesn’t have the time for yet another non-family friendly show. I agree.

I really wish there was some sort of censorship board for streaming content because I’m sick of professional content producers (like CBS All Access or Netflix) including swearing, violence, and nudity simply because they have no one telling them not to. I would also include HBO, but that particular ship has long since sailed.

Why censor and tie the hands of creatives just because you don’t like bad words? You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob.

It’s not just for my daughter or my wife. It’s for me. I don’t appreciate the gratuitousness of some content being unnecessarily adult. I don’t like Veep swearing like it’s going out of style just because. I don’t like characters in a Star Trek show repeatedly saying “fuck” because it’s edgy and no one says they can’t. They are so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they don’t stop to think if they should.

I mean, they could at least put a MPAA rating info or whatever on the card for a show or movie.

You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob or use incredibly common place words that unfortunately hurt your ears.

So you’re saying that before I watch anything anywhere online, I am required to do research on it? And you’re also attacking my interest in tastefulness or decency? You might not care if words and actions are “incredibly common place” among your circle of friends and family, but don’t belittle me because I do care.

 
I like that OTA TV broadcast content is censored to a degree. Creativity be damned. You don’t need to be vulgar or lewd to show creativity in your writing. Censorship does not inherently stifle creative thought. Some would even argue that lewdness and vulgarity shows a lack of creativity, rather than showing creative freedom.

So basically you’re wishing that creatives tailor make shows to your personal specifications. Cool.

That is a strawman argument.

I am saying I wish streamed shows had similar censorship rules as do broadcast shows. That is not “tailor made to my personal specifications.” Nor is it stifling to creatives to require them to assume children might be watching it, or else to have a This-is-why-children-shouldn’t-watch-it card or icon or blurb or whatever at the start of the show. Broadcast shows already do that.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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chyron8472 said:

I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can.

Yeah, that’s not how it works.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can.

Yeah, that’s not how it works.

Typical Politics 2

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chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

On the subject of the regulation (or lack thereof) of streaming content, it continues to bother me that streaming services have very little in the way of censorship. I posted in the TV Shows thread about Altered Carbon and dahmage said he doesn’t have the time for yet another non-family friendly show. I agree.

I really wish there was some sort of censorship board for streaming content because I’m sick of professional content producers (like CBS All Access or Netflix) including swearing, violence, and nudity simply because they have no one telling them not to. I would also include HBO, but that particular ship has long since sailed.

Why censor and tie the hands of creatives just because you don’t like bad words? You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob.

It’s not just for my daughter or my wife. It’s for me. I don’t appreciate the gratuitousness of some content being unnecessarily adult. I don’t like Veep swearing like it’s going out of style just because. I don’t like characters in a Star Trek show repeatedly saying “fuck” because it’s edgy and no one says they can’t. They are so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they don’t stop to think if they should.

I mean, they could at least put a MPAA rating info or whatever on the card for a show or movie.

You can always use IMDb’s parents guide if you’re worried they’re going to show too much side boob or use incredibly common place words that unfortunately hurt your ears.

So you’re saying that before I watch anything anywhere online, I am required to do research on it? And you’re also attacking my interest in tastefulness or decency? You might not care if words and actions are “incredibly common place” among your circle of friends and family, but don’t belittle me because I do care.

You are not required. Just if it’s such a big deal to you, you can research beforehand. The information is out there, it just seems silly to complain. I’m not attacking you, I just think your opinion is silly.

 
I like that OTA TV broadcast content is censored to a degree. Creativity be damned. You don’t need to be vulgar or lewd to show creativity in your writing. Censorship does not inherently stifle creative thought. Some would even argue that lewdness and vulgarity shows a lack of creativity, rather than showing creative freedom.

So basically you’re wishing that creatives tailor make shows to your personal specifications. Cool.

That is a strawman argument.

I am expressing my opinion. You don’t have to attack me because you don’t agree. I am saying I wish streamed shows had similar censorship rules as do broadcast shows. That is not “tailor made to my personal specifications.” Nor is it stifling to creatives to require them to assume children might be watching it, or else to have a This-is-why-children-shouldn’t-watch-it card or icon or blurb or whatever at the start of the show. Broadcast shows already do that.

Again, I’m not attacking you. Don’t be ridiculous. To me, what you’re suggesting is akin to me saying “there should be a rule that chefs can’t be allowed to use salt ever because it personally offends me.” And streaming services aren’t broadcast, they are premium subscription services, like HBO. Could they/should they put a card up front that says “Language, Violence, Nudity, etc.” like HBO? Yeah sure, that’d be nice. But censorship is bullshit.

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can.

Yeah, that’s not how it works.

In an interview about Star Trek Discovery, the writers basically said it was. The show got a lot of flak for using “fuck” twice in the same episode, and the writers said it was freeing to not have censors saying they couldn’t do that.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Netflix does say if it contains violence/nudity, no?

Edit: apparently not.

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don’t vote for Netflix in the midterms!!

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can.

Yeah, that’s not how it works.

In an interview about Star Trek Discovery, the writers basically said it was. The show got a lot of flak for using “fuck” twice in the same episode, and the writers said it was freeing to not have censors saying they couldn’t do that.

I’m sure there was a reason other than just being purely rebellious.

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chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can.

Yeah, that’s not how it works.

In an interview about Star Trek Discovery, the writers basically said it was. The show got a lot of flak for using “fuck” twice in the same episode, and the writers said it was freeing to not have censors saying they couldn’t do that.

Star Trek: Discovery might honestly be the only example I can think of of a show clearly just adding swears and nudity “because it can.” Usually, even if it is the case, you can’t really know, and therefore it’s not fair to assume intentions. (and that’s hardly the biggest issue with Discovery)

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Honestly several (if not most) shows portray people that would use words like “fuck” everyday several times, so it’s not exactly out of place. At least the shows I watched.

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DominicCobb said:

And streaming services aren’t broadcast, they are premium subscription services, like HBO. Could they/should they put a card up front that says “Language, Violence, Nudity, etc.” like HBO? Yeah sure, that’d be nice. But censorship is bullshit.

It seems to me that in 10 or more years streaming services are all that most people will use anymore. Back in the day, one could channel surf and not even bother wondering whether something was appropriate or why. I’m just feeling like the content produced by streaming services isn’t bothered about whether it’s mostly low-brow.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Collipso said:

Honestly several (if not most) shows portray people that would use words like “fuck” everyday several times, so it’s not exactly out of place. At least the shows I watched.

This thread isn’t about porno.

Nor is it about the current topic though.

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TV’s Frink said:

Collipso said:

Honestly several (if not most) shows portray people that would use words like “fuck” everyday several times, so it’s not exactly out of place. At least the shows I watched.

This thread isn’t about porno.

Nor is it about the current topic though.

isn’t this the myspleen : Revisited HD thread?

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yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

I’m saying I wish they didn’t choose to just because they can.

Yeah, that’s not how it works.

In an interview about Star Trek Discovery, the writers basically said it was. The show got a lot of flak for using “fuck” twice in the same episode, and the writers said it was freeing to not have censors saying they couldn’t do that.

I’m sure there was a reason other than just being purely rebellious.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/10/16/star-trek-discovery-fuck/

“Every writer’s impulse when you get to work on the streaming shows with no parameters is to go crazy,” Harberts said. “But then you look at things like: How does nudity play on Trek? Eh, it feels weird. How does a lot of [profanity] on Trek? Not so great. Are there moments where it merits it that we’re trying to push here and there? I would say we’re trying to push more by having the type of complicated messed-up characters who aren’t necessarily embraced on broadcast.”

That sounds like being purely rebellious to me.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.