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I honestly don’t see the problem with the image.
Of course my reaction was “meh” but I don’t think there’s a rules issue there.
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But not contributing much. If he wants to make a point, he should write down his point, not post some stupid comic.
Jeez, relax…it is a joke. I thought it was funny, whilst also making a point, which is really obvious, and does not require written text. I don’t know how many off-topic “funny” remarks have been posted in this thread, and you’re raging against an on-topic cartoon? The forum rules allow image only posts if they are on-topic btw, and the cartoon makes a good point regarding the application of TLJ’s in-universe logic. It’s a nitpick to an extend, but it is also a valid criticism, considering the film features both a slow chase, where the bad guys somehow cannot get in range to kill the good guys for the reason of plot convenience, and a ship, that is used by the good guys as a lightspeed torpedo against the bad guys at a critical point in the film. It does make it seem, like RJ wanted to have his cake and eat it.
Ps. I should add, that I feel the cartoon is more entertaining than this post.
I’m not raging. And the rules say “No image-only posts unless the image has a direct bearing on the topic at hand and it adds value to the discussion.” I agree that the pic was on-topic, however, whether it adds value to the discussion is very debatable.
You might not feel so, but I do, so there you go. I’m not in favour of disagreeing with an opinion, and then to pass it off as not having value, or something even less pleasant. There’s too much of that going on around here. I would rather discuss the point being made.
I’m not saying the opinion in the comic has no value, I’m saying expressing your opinion by posting someone else’s comic without context is bad form. People have to assume your exact opinion and you can brush off any criticism with “it’s just a joke”, which is a pretty bad excuse in general.
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I wasn’t writing them off, I was trying to say the traditional movie critic who had a journalistic background or came out of the movie industry seems a rare breed these days.
There were plenty of critics I couldn’t stand back in the day. There was at least one who seemed to enjoy trashing Star Wars regularly. Probably pulling their hair out now if they’re still around. 😉
OOH! Have ya seen the video of Siskel & Ebert defending ROTJ against some fool? It’s great! 😄
Here it is
Ironic that John Simon in that video says Walt Disney could have done just as well at making a Star Wars film (@3:50).
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But not contributing much. If he wants to make a point, he should write down his point, not post some stupid comic.
Jeez, relax…it is a joke. I thought it was funny, whilst also making a point, which is really obvious, and does not require written text. I don’t know how many off-topic “funny” remarks have been posted in this thread, and you’re raging against an on-topic cartoon? The forum rules allow image only posts if they are on-topic btw, and the cartoon makes a good point regarding the application of TLJ’s in-universe logic. It’s a nitpick to an extend, but it is also a valid criticism, considering the film features both a slow chase, where the bad guys somehow cannot get in range to kill the good guys for the reason of plot convenience, and a ship, that is used by the good guys as a lightspeed torpedo against the bad guys at a critical point in the film. It does make it seem, like RJ wanted to have his cake and eat it.
Ps. I should add, that I feel the cartoon is more entertaining than this post.
I’m not raging. And the rules say “No image-only posts unless the image has a direct bearing on the topic at hand and it adds value to the discussion.” I agree that the pic was on-topic, however, whether it adds value to the discussion is very debatable.
You might not feel so, but I do, so there you go. I’m not in favour of disagreeing with an opinion, and then to pass it off as not having value, or something even less pleasant. There’s too much of that going on around here. I would rather discuss the point being made.
I’m not saying the opinion in the comic has no value, I’m saying expressing your opinion by posting someone else’s comic without context is bad form. People have to assume your exact opinion and you can brush off any criticism with “it’s just a joke”, which is a pretty bad excuse in general.
Well maybe I just wanted to share the comic without context, such that people can just view it on it’s own terms. The comic’s creator has his or her own intent, that doesn’t need my embellishment. I have no trouble adding my own take, as I’ve amply demonstrated, so I really don’t see why you keep banging on about this.
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Well this important conversation certainly needs to continue.
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Jeez Frank he just shared a meme…
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And the no image-only posts rule was put in place so that people don’t share every stupid meme without context.
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Knock it off.
Where were you in '77?
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And the no image-only posts rule was put in place so that people don’t share every stupid meme without context.
It’s relevant even if some don’t like it. It’s in the same vein as the argument raised in the pages of Starlog in the 80’s. Why don’t the Empire and Rebels just nuke each other?
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
It’s just a (very stupid) joke.
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
I’m pretty sure a small TIE Fighter could do some damage to the Rebel cruiser. And the PT droids, stupid as they were, could fly ships and some of them were actually ships. BB-8 seems to be able to operate a ship. And if the First Order has enough resources to build a planet sized Death Star, I believe they do have the money and infrastructure to maintain a couple of kamikaze droids and ships.
All in all the weaponized hyperspace aspect of the movie didn’t bother me as much because I don’t think an X-Wing would do much against a Star Destroyer for example, but I can see why some people would.
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This has already been discussed - Dre already went through this ‘hyperspace kamikaze’ plothole many pages ago. He got shut down thoroughly and convincingly by Adywan and others at the time. That is why I used the word trolling, by posting up a ‘mocking’ cartoon image (which is about as funny as a funeral) and was just designed to mock and denigrate the movie. Poor show.
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The thing is I’m pretty sure that if you agreed with the meme’s critique of the movie you would’ve considered it funny. But you don’t.
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The thing is I’m pretty sure that if you agreed with the meme’s critique of the movie you would’ve considered it funny. But you don’t.
But literally all it is is a critique? I’m honestly not even sure why it’s in comic form.
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
I’m pretty sure a small TIE Fighter could do some damage to the Rebel cruiser.
In Rogue One, we see that the smaller rebel ships didn’t do much damage to the Stardestroyer, when they crashed in hyperspace, so no.
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This has already been discussed - Dre already went through this ‘hyperspace kamikaze’ plothole many pages ago. He got shut down thoroughly and convincingly by Adywan and others at the time. That is why I used the word trolling, by posting up a ‘mocking’ cartoon image (which is about as funny as a funeral) and was just designed to mock and denigrate the movie. Poor show.
Not at all. That discussion was about why the hyperspace kamikaze wasn’t used in general, considering its destructive potential, like against the Death Star in ANH, and was shut down only on your mind. This argument pertains specifically to TLJ’s internal logic, and no it is not illogical to assume there are ships in the FO fleet, that are large enough to destroy a rebel cruiser, or at the very least incapacitate it.
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
I’m pretty sure a small TIE Fighter could do some damage to the Rebel cruiser.
In Rogue One, we see that the smaller rebel ships didn’t do much damage to the Stardestroyer, when they crashed in hyperspace, so no.
I was talking about the bridge.
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But at the cost of one capital ship. Taking the rebel cruiser out with regular weapons is much more cost effective.
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
I’m pretty sure a small TIE Fighter could do some damage to the Rebel cruiser.
In Rogue One, we see that the smaller rebel ships didn’t do much damage to the Stardestroyer, when they crashed in hyperspace, so no.
I was talking about the bridge.
So, you assume they can aim their hyperspace jump to directly fly into the bridge?
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But at the cost of one capital ship. Taking the rebel cruiser out with regular weapons is much more cost effective.
Why take the risk? The FO have the opportunity to take out the Resistance once and for all. They could have sent fighters, that proved very effective earlier, or use the kamikaze trick, or whatever. In stead we get a very convenient slow chase. If Lucas had gone for that option at the start of ANH, the film would be very long indeed.
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
I’m pretty sure a small TIE Fighter could do some damage to the Rebel cruiser.
In Rogue One, we see that the smaller rebel ships didn’t do much damage to the Stardestroyer, when they crashed in hyperspace, so no.
I was talking about the bridge.
So, you assume they can aim their hyperspace jump to directly fly into the bridge?
They can make calculations to avoid stars and what not en route, I think a bridge should not be much of a problem.
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But at the cost of one capital ship. Taking the rebel cruiser out with regular weapons is much more cost effective.
If Lucas had gone for that option at the start of ANH, the film would be very long indeed.
I don’t follow what you mean by this? Wasn’t the beginning of ANH basically a sublight chase?
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In that case: An unmanned kamikaze ship still needs the mass and size of a capital ship, it needs sublight engines and a hyperdrive and it needs an advanced piloting system. It has to stay with the main fleet in case it’s needed, so it costs additional money to operate. Why not buy a regular ship for the same price, which is much more versatile and not limited to one single use? And don’t tell me “it’s just a joke”.
I’m pretty sure a small TIE Fighter could do some damage to the Rebel cruiser.
In Rogue One, we see that the smaller rebel ships didn’t do much damage to the Stardestroyer, when they crashed in hyperspace, so no.
I was talking about the bridge.
So, you assume they can aim their hyperspace jump to directly fly into the bridge?
They can make calculations to avoid stars and what not en route, I think a bridge should not be much of a problem.
Because avoiding a huge star is the same as aiming at a tiny bridge.
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But at the cost of one capital ship. Taking the rebel cruiser out with regular weapons is much more cost effective.
If Lucas had gone for that option at the start of ANH, the film would be very long indeed.
I don’t follow what you mean by this? Wasn’t the beginning of ANH basically a sublight chase?
Yes, where the bigger ship quickly caught up with the smaller one. It wasn’t stretched out across an entire film to serve as the rather weak (imo of course) backbone of the rest of the movie.