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People saying Vader was fan service in RO: wasn’t he originally supposed to have all of Tarkin’s scenes before they gave the go-ahead for the CGI? I think he originally had a much larger role.

Plus, I think he fit just fine in the film. I actually think, unlike the ST, RO gets better with each viewing.

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ElectroDroid said:

(The previous post is just a philosophic mental exercise of mine I did to entertain myself 😉. Don’t take it too seriously!)

Don’t worry, I saw how long it was and didn’t even read it. 😉

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Hardcore Legend said:

People saying Vader was fan service in RO: wasn’t he originally supposed to have all of Tarkin’s scenes before they gave the go-ahead for the CGI? I think he originally had a much larger role.

Plus, I think he fit just fine in the film. I actually think, unlike the ST, RO gets better with each viewing.

His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.

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moviefreakedmind said:

Hardcore Legend said:

People saying Vader was fan service in RO: wasn’t he originally supposed to have all of Tarkin’s scenes before they gave the go-ahead for the CGI? I think he originally had a much larger role.

Plus, I think he fit just fine in the film. I actually think, unlike the ST, RO gets better with each viewing.

His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.

You could argue that RO has a little bonus 4th act after the death of the new main characters to bridge the film to ANH. And the final Vader scene does add an extra obstacle at the very end when you think the battle is won. Sure, it’s hardly detrimental to the final film, but it does allow RO to end with a burst of action and suspense after the main story has been wrapped up. SW movies can’t just be movies anymore, there’s too much lore. If the escape of the Tantive IV had been omitted I’m sure people would have complained about that too.

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moviefreakedmind said:

His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.

Agreed. The final moment is the most obvious reshoot too.

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ElectroDroid said:

A lot of people are complaining about this movie and saying that it’s just going to be fan service.
Well,
“Fan Service”, (taking the phrase literally) is not a bad thing.

Films are corporate products. To sell a product, you must please your customers.
a.k.a. the fans.

Here I draw a contrast between Fan Service and “Fan Fiction (fan being singular here)”.
A franchise movie (a movie series that already has a set of fans) should be 100% fan service.

If not, in my opinion the director is wallowing into the territory of fan fiction. Fan fiction, as we all know, is one impassioned person creating a story THEY want, specifically tailored to them. A film where Han Solo fights for Galactic Free Trade, or where Han Solo time travels would be just someone’s weird, personal desires put into Star Wars. Would it be unexpected? Yes.

Some people think that unexpectedness is a virtue of the story. But it is not. As good authors would tell you, a good ending is ‘surprising but expected…and justified in-universe’. In other words, it should make you say ‘oh, that makes sense. it fits with this world and this story’.

In conclusion, I’m hoping this story is 100% fan service.

I enjoyed TFA because it was fan service. I did not really like TLJ because it was not.
I know some people were upset because TFA was so similar to other Star Wars movies, but I would not have expected any less of the movie.

People who wanted it to be different wanted it to be different because, to them, “Star Wars” was over (the original trilogy was over). Because they enjoyed the OT, they would have enjoyed a new set of films that were ‘inspired’ by the OT. But they did not want more Star Wars. Subconsciously, they would reject any addition to this OT as apocrypha.

So there are two types of people going into this movie (and any franchise movie, really):
1 Those who think Han’s story is complete, and will see any addition as apocrypha.
2 Those who are open to seeing more of the character Han Solo in the Star Wars universe
3 Non-fans (the General Audience (General Population))

The film Solo can only be two things:
FAN FICTION This will disappoint most of #1 because, as strange as it is, it still pretends to be Han Solo and they will reject it as apocrypha. It will disappoint almost all of #2. However, a very small minority of #2 might enjoy it as a film in its own right, just not as a Han Solo film. But this is not guaranteed. The GA might like it.

FAN SERVICE This will please all of #2, and none of #1. It will also please the GA, because it will be a movie that embraces its identity, and is strong in its genre, and that’s all they are really looking for in a movie.

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-people who sneak a third item into a list of two things.

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All movies are fan service of one type or another. People only seem to ridicule it when they aren’t a fan of some aspect.

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ZkinandBonez said:

moviefreakedmind said:

Hardcore Legend said:

People saying Vader was fan service in RO: wasn’t he originally supposed to have all of Tarkin’s scenes before they gave the go-ahead for the CGI? I think he originally had a much larger role.

Plus, I think he fit just fine in the film. I actually think, unlike the ST, RO gets better with each viewing.

His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.

You could argue that RO has a little bonus 4th act after the death of the new main characters to bridge the film to ANH. And the final Vader scene does add an extra obstacle at the very end when you think the battle is won. Sure, it’s hardly detrimental to the final film, but it does allow RO to end with a burst of action and suspense after the main story has been wrapped up. SW movies can’t just be movies anymore, there’s too much lore. If the escape of the Tantive IV had been omitted I’m sure people would have complained about that too.

They could have and should have shown Leia’s ship escaping without the cheap thrills of Darth Vader and his lightsaber but it wouldn’t have included the “lore” of Darth Vader using his lightsaber. The “lore” you refer to is mostly just iconic images that have to be included on screen. The lore of Star Wars in the literal sense of the word would be the stuff you get in the cartoons and novels.

As for it ending on a burst of action, I think that shows how week the main cast of characters was. If this is supposed to hold up as a stand alone movie (and I see a lot of people claiming that this is a good way to introduce new people to the franchise, even before watching the OT), then why would it need a pointless burst of action after our loveable cast has made the ultimate sacrifice and has died in an admittedly beautiful shot of the Death Star annihilating their spot on the planet? If their deaths are so impactful, doesn’t a burst of action from a character with no clear bearing on the plot attacking faceless characters that aren’t even that sympathetic diminish that ending? Also keep in mind that if someone had never seen the OT, Vader and CGI Carrie Fisher would mean nothing to them since the excitement we were supposed to gain from their appearances is based solely on their iconic status from the original films.

I completely forgot this isn’t even the RO thread. Sorry, I’ll be done now.

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rodneyfaile said:

All movies are fan service of one type or another. People only seem to ridicule it when they aren’t a fan of some aspect.

This isn’t the case. The King’s Speech isn’t fan service. The fan service most people talk about is the inclusion of certain things for no reason other than because fans will recognize it, usually to the detriment of the overall film. The “You’ll be dead” guys and R2 and 3PO in RO were perfect examples of that. There’s a danger that they will do similar stunts like that in Han Solo’s movie, such as having Greedo show up and tell a joke about how he likes to shoot first or something. If Greedo has a purpose for being in the film other than to cameo for fans, then it wouldn’t be fan service in the detrimental sense.

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One person’s “detrimental fan service” is another person’s essential favorite piece. Nothing wrong with getting what you want. I don’t think seeing Vader or Dr. Evasan had any detrimental effects on the movie at all. Quite the opposite in fact. I was highly entertained, and that’s the whole point.

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Threepio and Artoo being at the Rebel base makes sense if Bail Organa is there. There’s nothing to contradict them not having been to the Yavin system before.
Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba being on Jedha was pushing it. Had they simply been in the foreground or background of a crowd scene instead of calling attention to them would have been better.

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SilverWook said:

Threepio and Artoo being at the Rebel base makes sense if Bail Organa is there. There’s nothing to contradict them not having been to the Yavin system before.
Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba being on Jedha was pushing it. Had they simply been in the foreground or background of a crowd scene instead of calling attention to them would have been better.

Exactly, and the same goes for R2 and 3PO. Calling attention to then is just a distraction from the plot to say, “Remember these guys?” I don’t mind Easter eggs, I just don’t like it when films stop in order to draw my attention to things that are exciting purely because they were in other, better films.

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moviefreakedmind said:

SilverWook said:

Threepio and Artoo being at the Rebel base makes sense if Bail Organa is there. There’s nothing to contradict them not having been to the Yavin system before.
Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba being on Jedha was pushing it. Had they simply been in the foreground or background of a crowd scene instead of calling attention to them would have been better.

Exactly, and the same goes for R2 and 3PO. Calling attention to then is just a distraction from the plot to say, “Remember these guys?” I don’t mind Easter eggs, I just don’t like it when films stop in order to draw my attention to things that are exciting purely because they were in other, better films.

I think it’s because they’re meant to be in every Star Wars movie.

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They could be in it without being a distraction.

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moviefreakedmind said:

SilverWook said:

Threepio and Artoo being at the Rebel base makes sense if Bail Organa is there. There’s nothing to contradict them not having been to the Yavin system before.
Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba being on Jedha was pushing it. Had they simply been in the foreground or background of a crowd scene instead of calling attention to them would have been better.

Exactly, and the same goes for R2 and 3PO. Calling attention to then is just a distraction from the plot to say, “Remember these guys?” I don’t mind Easter eggs, I just don’t like it when films stop in order to draw my attention to things that are exciting purely because they were in other, better films.

The movie didn’t stop. We saw the droids for a few seconds as the Rebels left for Scarif. It was a welcomed sight and made sense they’d be there. It’s not like we followed them on a side adventure.

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They spoke and drew attention to themselves awkwardly.

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moviefreakedmind said:

They spoke and drew attention to themselves awkwardly.

Some people really get off on awkward distracting scenes that fail to propel the story forward at all. They should probably stop trying to appease that part of the audience.

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rodneyfaile said:

moviefreakedmind said:

SilverWook said:

Threepio and Artoo being at the Rebel base makes sense if Bail Organa is there. There’s nothing to contradict them not having been to the Yavin system before.
Dr. Evazan and Ponda Baba being on Jedha was pushing it. Had they simply been in the foreground or background of a crowd scene instead of calling attention to them would have been better.

Exactly, and the same goes for R2 and 3PO. Calling attention to then is just a distraction from the plot to say, “Remember these guys?” I don’t mind Easter eggs, I just don’t like it when films stop in order to draw my attention to things that are exciting purely because they were in other, better films.

The movie didn’t stop. We saw the droids for a few seconds as the Rebels left for Scarif. It was a welcomed sight and made sense they’d be there. It’s not like we followed them on a side adventure.

Anyone else think we might get a Droids movie someday? There isn’t the wiggle room there once was for Threepio and Artoo to have solo adventures between the trilogies, but maybe we’ll find out what the red arm thing in TFA was about.

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If Disney is going to get money out of it, why not?

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The majority wins at Disney, if they want to put characters or things in these films, hoping to make money off it, their going to do it, regardless of what YOU want. It’s about ticket sales, and it always will be, period!

This Solo trailer could be great, but the film could suck. That’s how marketing works.

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CarboniteSolo said:
This Solo trailer could be great, but the film could suck. That’s how marketing works.

This is definitely true for me in regards to TLJ. Trailers had me pretty hopeful and excited to see where the ST went in the second movie, the movie itself though has turned me off new SW forever.

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rodneyfaile said:

All movies are fan service of one type or another. People only seem to ridicule it when they aren’t a fan of some aspect.

Exactly. People just use it as a whiny buzzword.