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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
That’s an interesting point of view. I hadn’t seen or read anything comparing those two. Could you expand on that?
The blue elephant in the room.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
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Well said, mate.
Not well said. As long as debates are civil, any subject should be open for discussion. I don’t tell anyone else what they should or should not write about, and I expect the same courtesy.
Neither did I. In fact, I specifically said feel free to dissect and rant. My point was to occasionally give some thought to taking a break from trying to beat the franchise and the fans who may not agree with you.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
That’s not necessarily a good thing…
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
That’s not necessarily a good thing…
Well, maybe if you don’t like the movie. But on the question of whether her character is of consequence, then the answer is clearly yes.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
Like I said, I thought her character was fine. But I don’t understand what you mean.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
They could have easily had all those events happen without Lando I am sure.
Lando was just a cool guy who ran a city and sold out our friends. Then he shows up again to pilot the falcon in rotj.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
Like I said, I thought her character was fine. But I don’t understand what you mean.
Mielr was saying that Lando was a consequential character to the narrative. I was saying, in that way, so is Rose.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
Like I said, I thought her character was fine. But I don’t understand what you mean.
Well if you start at the very beginning. Without Rose being there to stop Finn, who would have taken off with the beacon and Rey would have had a hell of a time finding the resistance again…
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
They could have easily had all those events happen without Lando I am sure.
You can find a way to remove any character. But Lando added quite a lot and was integral in many ways. I don’t think it helpful to argue otherwise. I am curious how you view Rose.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
In that she occupies a lot of screen time, yes. But her presence in the film is inconsequential. She accomplishes nothing. Like I said in a previous post(s), you could cut her character totally out of the film and it would have no impact on the plot, such as it is. The whole casino/code cracker subplots could be eliminated entirely. It wouldn’t have made it a good movie, but it would have at least made it tighter.
I wish they’d filled some of that time with more training scenes with Luke and Rey. I would have loved to see Luke kick Rey’s ass in a lightsaber duel as part of her training. I would have loved to see him in a duel one last time. 😦
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
They could have easily had all those events happen without Lando I am sure.
You can find a way to remove any character. But Lando added quite a lot and was integral in many ways. I don’t think it helpful to argue otherwise. I am curious how you view Rose.
I view Rose as an interesting character. She represents more of the working class of the resistance, if you will. I appreciated a character like that. I don’t think it helpful to argue that she served no purpose. That is why I compared her to Lando.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
Most of the movie doesn’t exist without Rose.
Like I said, I thought her character was fine. But I don’t understand what you mean.
Well if you start at the very beginning. Without Rose being there to stop Finn, who would have taken off with the beacon and Rey would have had a hell of a time finding the resistance again…
And how is she a better character than Lando? (I’m still not sure what that means.)
The blue elephant in the room.
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Comparing her to Lando was to make a point.
I did say that she is only barely better than Lando if you recall.
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My problem is with the concept of a moderator giving advice on what people should focus on in their debates.
I gave my opinion. I didn’t advise you on anything. If I were a strict moderator, telling everyone what to discuss, we wouldn’t be at 157 pages after only two weeks. Feel free to rage against the machine all you want.
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Without Rose, Rey never finds her way back. Without Rose, Poe never attempts the alternate plan. Without Rose, the First Order doesn’t follow the Resistance to Crait.
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Comparing her to Lando was to make a point.
I did say that she is only barely better than Lando if you recall.
I recall. I read it even!
I understand appreciating what she stood for and all that. Of course she didn’t do nothing. But the impact she had was indirect with the exception of saving Finn, which is what people mean about her not having a purpose as a character (some of those people wanted Finn to die). I don’t begrudge your appreciation of her at all.
The blue elephant in the room.
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
They could have easily had all those events happen without Lando I am sure.
You can find a way to remove any character. But Lando added quite a lot and was integral in many ways. I don’t think it helpful to argue otherwise. I am curious how you view Rose.
I view Rose as an interesting character. She represents more of the working class of the resistance, if you will. I appreciated a character like that. I don’t think it helpful to argue that she served no purpose. That is why I compared her to Lando.
Lando was “working class” too. He went from being a gambler to administrator of a city. Luke and Han were also “working class.” Star Wars is full of working class heroes, but they also have reasons to be there. You can’t cut Han or Lando out of the movies and not have it affect the trajectory of the stories. Rose could be cut because she was mostly involved in side plots that didn’t amount to anything involving the main story. Which was about running out of fuel. I think.
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Sorry to go back a bit, but I think we need to remember that we all like and dislike different things and it colors our interpretation. We need to be careful not to make attacks too personal. This has been an interesting year for being a fan of both Star Trek and Star Wars. Well, it has been interesting for the past few years. JJ Abrams came along and gave us a vision of Star Trek that made most long time fans go “huh?” and his next installment was just bad. Followed by a third mediocre movie and a new series that lost me halfway through the first episode. Now if you want to deal with a franchise that said FU to fans, that would be it. We have now had 3 Star Wars films under Disney’s ownership and they have tried very hard to stay in the same universe. There are complaints about the story. I didn’t like TFA, many did not like TLJ, but when you compare the job these three films have done to what Star Trek fans got, it is night and day. Star Trek fans did get a gift, though it has been cut off, in that two fan productions made some very classic style episodes that were very true to the original 60’s series. That makes the travesty of the 3 films and the new series so painful. That plus watching how one of the same people went in with a who cares attitude with Star Trek and turn around and give us a love letter to Star Wars.
So my feelings on the matter might be a bit touchy because in two different fandoms I am on two different sides of appreciating the new offerings and I have very logical and solid reasons. I do not think anyone over at Paramount/CBS deliberatly set out to piss all over the classic. They have, but I don’t for a moment think that was their intent. They wanted the same thing NBC did back in 66 - action. They got it in 66 with a lot of substance and in 2009 with no substance. Frankly I think TFA had very little substance and TLJ has a lot. I don’t care if you like or dislike anything, but please put some thought and logic into your arguments. We aren’t going to agree, but we can have a great conversation (and I think we have been).
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Rose is a better character than Lando was. Barely. But still.
Seriously? Lando was a pretty pivotal character and really set all the events in motion for the 2nd half of the movie. He partnered with Vader to trap Luke and in the process got Han nearly killed and shipped off to Jabba (remember?)
No Lando: no cloud city, no luke/vader duel (no “I am your father”), no carbonite, no Jabba, no reason for rotj basically.
What exactly did Rose do that was so important (besides setting free horse-llama things and preventing Finn from committing an act of selflessness)?
They could have easily had all those events happen without Lando I am sure.
You can find a way to remove any character. But Lando added quite a lot and was integral in many ways. I don’t think it helpful to argue otherwise. I am curious how you view Rose.
I view Rose as an interesting character. She represents more of the working class of the resistance, if you will. I appreciated a character like that. I don’t think it helpful to argue that she served no purpose. That is why I compared her to Lando.
Lando was “working class” too. He went from being a gambler to administrator of a city. Luke and Han were also “working class.” Star Wars is full of working class heroes, but they also have reasons to be there. You can’t cut Han or Lando out of the movies and not have it affect the trajectory of the stories. Rose could be cut because she was mostly involved in side plots that didn’t amount to anything involving the main story. Which was about running out of fuel. I think.
Eh. Luke Han and Lando were all made generals or whatever by rotj, so I don’t really view them as working class in how I was thinking of it. But who knows, Rose will probably move up in importance too.
For the rest, I disagree, see Dom’s post above. And even if Rose isn’t a “in your face directly making things happen” character, how is that a mark against her character? Certainly not every character can be alphas?
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I don’t care if you like or dislike anything, but please put some thought and logic into your arguments. We aren’t going to agree, but we can have a great conversation (and I think we have been).
I appreciate your posts.
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Lando was just a cool guy who ran a city and sold out our friends.
Yeah, and that’s a pretty damn important part of the plot! 😄
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DrDre said:
My problem is with the concept of a moderator giving advice on what people should focus on in their debates.If I were a strict moderator, telling everyone what to discuss, we wouldn’t be at 157 pages after only two weeks.
lol! Excellent point!
Feel free to rage against the machine all you want.
Another winning idea!
*puts Guerrilla Radio on*
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Well, I thought Han only decided to go there because he knew Lando. I’d say that makes it pretty crucial. One could argue that Rose’s sole contribution to TLJ’s plot was stopping Finn from leaving, but I think she was extremely important for Finn’s character development.
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Lando was just a cool guy who ran a city and sold out our friends.
Yeah, and that’s a pretty damn important part of the plot! 😄
Also, he owned the Millenium Falcon, lost it to Han, who used it to save Luke, allowing the destruction of the first Death Star, etc.
So Lando is the most important and interesting character ever.
The blue elephant in the room.