Can we talk about saber effects for a second, I liked how they looked more in TFA. Here the original blade is weirdly pointed and too clean? Sounds might have been better too, but I can’t verify.
It’s like they went back to the prequels pointy tip look, which might as well be a glow in the dark giant golf tee.
Where were you in '77?
It’s not like the sabers in the OT were very consistent. Even in color.
Sure but these aren’t the days of experimental rotoscope effects or 80s hand animation.
I like the sabers based off of rotating reflective sticks. Makes them look dangerous. It doesn’t hurt that the actors had to be very careful around them to make sure they didn’t break.
For that matter, I’d be all for going back to them using blasters made from real guns.
There’s some real consternation on set when the gunfights are that loud.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
RLM guys talk Last Jedi in latest video, less than a minute spent on it! Very relevant.
They did almost an hour on it here:
https://youtu.be/L9hwGZFPSmw
I definitely preferred the sound mix in TLJ than in TFA. Not even a question. Visual effects too, but the one scene where Luke is fishing (where he jumps and grabs that huge stick over the water) looked pretty fake to me. And of course the cgi horses looked very bad to me too.
Lightsabers looked too much like they were actually there - reminded me of a lightsaber toy or replica in some shots. TFA’s sabers were definitely better for me. And the screen wipes were either out of place or too fast.
Overall I really loved how the movie looked and sounded though, a lot more than TFA.
Regarding lightsabers however, TFA > TLJ.
Again, waiting for the Blu-ray to see the full film, but the lightsabers in TFA looked like they had weight to them, as well as a feeling there was actual energy being emitted. Sure, the white core could have been brighter, but if they look more like the prequels then TFA that seems like a step too far in the opposite direction.
Speaking of SFX, from what I have seen in trailers I still think the ships look kinda fake, especially after seeing how beautiful Rogue One’s enhanced recreations of the ANH ships were. Maybe when building CGI ships it helps to actually have a real world reference (meaning, something actually fully built in the real world) before the model is created but, I know, too expensive.
Why does Rey have a memory of crying watching a ship leave Jakku when she was little? Either the next film ignores this completely or there’s more to tell about her family.
Clinging to the hope someone is coming back to get you after so many years is desperation. Clinging to that hope when you know for certain that someone is actually dead is delusional. I don’t think Rey was delusional.
I still believe she goes back to Jakku in epX, finds out Leia/Han hid her there after Ben turned. That’s why Ben asked “what girl”. Maz helped them hide her there, which is why she is intrigued by her. Kylo has been lying to Rey because he knew she would never join her if she knew he murdered their father in front of her.
Or, she’s nobody and this is the end of the Star Wars saga. As Kennedy said, the main saga has been and always will be the story of the Skywalker family. If Rey isn’t a Skywalker, there is no plausible redemption for Ben that continues the line.
I definitely preferred the sound mix in TLJ than in TFA. Not even a question. Visual effects too, but the one scene where Luke is fishing (where he jumps and grabs that huge stick over the water) looked pretty fake to me. And of course the cgi horses looked very bad to me too.
Lightsabers looked too much like they were actually there - reminded me of a lightsaber toy or replica in some shots. TFA’s sabers were definitely better for me. And the screen wipes were either out of place or too fast.
Overall I really loved how the movie looked and sounded though, a lot more than TFA.
Regarding lightsabers however, TFA > TLJ.
Again, waiting for the Blu-ray to see the full film, but the lightsabers in TFA looked like they had weight to them, as well as a feeling there was actual energy being emitted. Sure, the white core could have been brighter, but if they look more like the prequels then TFA that seems like a step too far in the opposite direction.
Speaking of SFX, from what I have seen in trailers I still think the ships look kinda fake, especially after seeing how beautiful Rogue One’s enhanced recreations of the ANH ships were. Maybe when building CGI ships it helps to actually have a real world reference (meaning, something actually fully built in the real world) before the model is created but, I know, too expensive.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the OT models were laser scanned for Rogue One.
Where were you in '77?
What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters apparently don’t care at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.
What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.
It creates an apparent discrepancy with what Kylo said and so people wonder why. I don’t know why it would matter if other characters care or not. I don’t need a consensus of characters to care about a plot element in order for me to think about it as possibly important. Whether it’s a big deal or not is yet to be seen. I’m not sure who you are arguing with or what about!
The blue elephant in the room.
Well me neither. Why does that scene contradict anything Kylo said?
Because either Rey’s parents were on that departing ship or they’re dead and buried on Jakku. It can’t be both.
And Kylo can’t be trusted.
Where were you in '77?
What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.
They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.
Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”
What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.
They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.
Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”
The novelizations are full of contradictions nowadays, even after Disney canon and stuff. And I don’t see why they couldn’t have gone back to the planet, even told Rey that they planned to come back at some point (hence her desire in believing that they’ll come back) but not necessarily come back to her or anything like that.
I can see why you guys think that, but it really didn’t cross my mind at all. I was just ok with it I guess. Maybe I’m an apologist now??? 😮
I thought there was a good point about villains in this article:
“Our current reality is a complicated one, colored in shades of gray, and we’re well past the fairy-tale idea that in this world there is good and there is evil just because. Movie villains that are simply cackling wrongdoers in this day and age register as false.”
Maybe this is one reason why people have so much of a problem with paltry and secondhand Snoke character elements lifted from the Emperor - the Emperor was a villain from a more morally polarized age.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
I thought there was a good point about villains in this article:
“Our current reality is a complicated one, colored in shades of gray, and we’re well past the fairy-tale idea that in this world there is good and there is evil just because. Movie villains that are simply cackling wrongdoers in this day and age register as false.”
Maybe this is one reason why people have so much of a problem with paltry and secondhand Snoke character elements lifted from the Emperor - the Emperor was a villain from a more morally polarized age.
I call bullshit on that. Star Wars was meant to be a fairytale amidst all the morally gray films we were getting in the 70s. It was never meant to parallel reality. Why should it?
Because either Rey’s parents were on that departing ship or they’re dead and buried on Jakku. It can’t be both.
And Kylo can’t be trusted.
I already asked this, but are we really sure we see Rey’s parents leave in that ship? Maybe it was just a random ship and Rey imagined her parents were in there, because that would make it easier for her.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.
They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.
I assumed the ship crashed. I honestly didn’t even consider it a potential discrepancy, I mean I suppose there is room for different interpretations (and who knows maybe JJ will incorporate the parents somehow?) but either way I don’t think it’s that big a deal.
Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”
“What girl” is precisely because he doesn’t know her - “why is there someone else on Jakku who would be helping the droid escape and a kid, no less?”
When he says “It is you” he’s referring to the awakening he and Snoke felt. This is really the only reasonable interpretation in the context of not only TLJ but just TFA by itself. The line doesn’t make sense in any other way, unless you’ve built up an elaborate alternate completely unspoken of series of events in your head. (It’s likely they cut it out of the film because people would read things into it that weren’t there)
I thought there was a good point about villains in this article:
“Our current reality is a complicated one, colored in shades of gray, and we’re well past the fairy-tale idea that in this world there is good and there is evil just because. Movie villains that are simply cackling wrongdoers in this day and age register as false.”
Maybe this is one reason why people have so much of a problem with paltry and secondhand Snoke character elements lifted from the Emperor - the Emperor was a villain from a more morally polarized age.
I call bullshit on that. Star Wars was meant to be a fairytale amidst all the morally gray films we were getting in the 70s. It was never meant to parallel reality. Why should it?
That’s not exactly correct, the goal was more so to bring back fun into cinemas, while all the other films were dreary and depressing.
Nowadays, things are different. In the multiplexes you’ve got plenty of Star Wars-esque fun entertainment. Which means it’s time for SW itself to upgrade past unambiguously evil villains (the kind which have taken a toll on stuff like the MCU for years).
Not to mention, from the beginning George was inspired by real life politics (Nixon, Vietnam) so I don’t necessarily think telling a morally black vs white story was ever the main goal (there are plenty of things in the OT that don’t quite adhere to that anyway). Obviously the idea was always for the films to reward morality and decency and selflessness and compassion, but that doesn’t mean they had to be so strictly moral all the way through.
I thought there was a good point about villains in this article:
“Our current reality is a complicated one, colored in shades of gray, and we’re well past the fairy-tale idea that in this world there is good and there is evil just because. Movie villains that are simply cackling wrongdoers in this day and age register as false.”
Maybe this is one reason why people have so much of a problem with paltry and secondhand Snoke character elements lifted from the Emperor - the Emperor was a villain from a more morally polarized age.
I call bullshit on that. Star Wars was meant to be a fairytale amidst all the morally gray films we were getting in the 70s. It was never meant to parallel reality. Why should it?
That’s not exactly correct, the goal was more so to bring back fun into cinemas, while all the other films were dreary and depressing.
Nowadays, things are different. In the multiplexes you’ve got plenty of Star Wars-esque fun entertainment. Which means it’s time for SW itself to upgrade past unambiguously evil villains (the kind which have taken a toll on stuff like the MCU for years).
I thought about posting something similar, but couldn’t find the right words at that moment.
Ceci n’est pas une signature.
Now this ‘plothole’ about the spaceship leaving Jakku is nitpicking! You want an example of a pedantic nitpick, here is one!
This spaceship in the background is a tiny moment you have to freeze frame during a vision. I suppose Rey being on Cloud City is a plothole too - because I saw her there!! The whole segment is a vision, it is NOT literal. Even if you are taking it literally, then who is to say that her parents were on that spaceship, it’s entirely assumption (bit of visual misdirection hardly warrants it being canon now does it) - a plothole? Don’t make me laugh.
NeverarGreat said:
For that matter, I’d be all for going back to them using blasters made from real guns.
There’s some real consternation on set when the gunfights are that loud.
I prefer the look of the weapons in general which had been based on real blank firing guns. The new ones look too much like toys.
What’s the problem with Rey’s vision of seeing her parents leave in a spaceship? I’m sure that would be extremely traumatic. Why do they have to be important people simply because she saw them leaving? Yes, the way it was setup left the audience wondering who are those people, and if we knew them. But the characters weren’t giving any fucks at all, except for Rey. I don’t see what’s the big deal about it. Simply because we saw them leave, it doesn’t make them more important or less, or changes who they are.
They were junkers that sold her for beer money but had a fancy ship they could leave the planet on? I guess they could have sold her for passage off the planet but Kylo says they are buried there on the planet.
I assumed the ship crashed. I honestly didn’t even consider it a potential discrepancy, I mean I suppose there is room for different interpretations (and who knows maybe JJ will incorporate the parents somehow?) but either way I don’t think it’s that big a deal.
Furthermore, it is implied Kylo knows her (or at least JJ was leaning that way). Besides the “what girl” line, in the novelization he says to her in the forest “it IS you!”
“What girl” is precisely because he doesn’t know her - “why is there someone else on Jakku who would be helping the droid escape and a kid, no less?”
When he says “It is you” he’s referring to the awakening he and Snoke felt. This is really the only reasonable interpretation in the context of not only TLJ but just TFA by itself. The line doesn’t make sense in any other way, unless you’ve built up an elaborate alternate completely unspoken of series of events in your head. (It’s likely they cut it out of the film because people would read things into it that weren’t there)
Why would you assume the ship crashed? There is nothing to imply it does. Rey cries out to the ship “come back” and she spends the entire film talking about waiting for her family to come back and get her.
All of it could have been misdirection by JJ, but there is a list of things that imply that everyone knows more about Rey’s family than she does:
-Kyle’s “WHAT girl?”
-the way JJ cuts away from Maz the second she asks Han “who’s the girl”
-the vision she has of the ship flying away and the girl crying out to it
-after talking to Han, Maz telling Rey the lightsaber “it belonged to Luke’s father, and Luke and now it calls to you” as if there is an importance to that line
-we now know all the visions have been things that actually happened, including Rey being there when the Knights of Ren and Kylo massacre the rest of the students in the rain and then he turns to attack Rey
The implication is Han, Maz and Kylo know who she is and that she is important. Maz makes her lineage seem important. Kathleen Kennedy has said that the saga films are about “the next generation of Skywalkers”. For the saga films to not die with this trilogy: Kylo has to be redeemed (which would be tough), Rey has to be a Skywalker, or Kylo wins and survives ending this trilogy on a down note.
Again, all of this could be classic JJ mystery box stuff but even RJ said that Abrams did not tell him where he was going with Rey’s parents so it appears RJ took all of these clues JJ left and threw them in the trash.
Which is why I still think that when JJ returns he gives Rey a Skywalker parent.
Now this ‘plothole’ about the spaceship leaving Jakku is nitpicking! You want an example of a pedantic nitpick, here is one!
This spaceship in the background is a tiny moment you have to freeze frame during a vision. I suppose Rey being on Cloud City is a plothole too - because I saw her there!! The whole segment is a vision, it is NOT literal. Even if you are taking it literally, then who is to say that her parents were on that spaceship, it’s entirely assumption (bit of visual misdirection hardly warrants it being canon now does it) - a plothole? Don’t make me laugh.
Did you miss the part where a little girl dressed exactly like Rey screams out at it “comeback” and Unkar tells her to be quiet? The girl is screaming towards the sky and Rey turns to see the skip flying away. It then transitions into Starkiller base (which also happened).
It wasn’t just a freeze frame moment, it is made to seem important. Again, it could be misdirection but two other parts of it have been shown to be true.
Hardcore Legend said:
Which is why I still think that when JJ returns he gives Rey a Skywalker parent.
No, I’d just drop it. You went into TLJ with that baggage and preconceptions, and it didn’t pan out. Rey is ‘Rey Random’. I’d just drop it.
ps. some kids didn’t believe - or didn’t want to believe - Darth Vader when he told Luke that he was his father in ESB too.
