The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 75

Ryan said:

DrDre said:

oojason said:

It’ll be interesting to see members’ views after Episode IX is released and we’ve all had time to take in the Sequel Trilogy as a whole.

As of right now, a lot of the differing and passionate opinions on here and throughout the various threads… may well change upon completion and reflection of seeing everything in the ST tied together - as a trilogy in itself, and as part of the whole saga overall.
 

Two down, one to go… 😃

That’s an interesting question indeed. Aside from the ST, I think it’s also interesting to consider how the ST will connect to the rest of the saga. It is meant to be part of a nine part saga afterall. I’m a bit skeptical, but TLJ does make it impossible for Abrams to create ROTJ 2.0, so it may turn out to be the greatest setup in the history of Star Wars.

For a while, we were told that Johnson would also be writing and directing Episode 9. But recently we learned that instead, JJ was coming back for 9. Does anyone know what happened there? I’m wondering if Lucasfilm decided they didn’t like the direction that Johnson took the ST in, and decided to bring JJ back to retcon it?

No, Johnson was hired to write and direct VIII and write a story treatment for IX. He was never slated to direct it or write the script. Colin Treverrow was slated to direct and write it with Derek Connolly and then by this summer Johnson was denying he was involved in writing it at all.

Then after Carrie’s death, Jack Thorne was brought on to rewrite. Finally, Treverrow was let go, Connolly and Thorne weren’t brought up again, and after a week or two Abrams was announced as returning to direct and co-write with Chris Terrio.

They dumped Colin Trevorrow because of The Book Of Henry. Or because he was a jerk and thought he was a big shot who could push Kathleen Kennedy around. Depends what you believe. There’s no connection between this and TLJ. The most concerning part is that Terrio is on board as a “writer” for some reason.

Ryan said:

lovelikewinter said:

Kylo had a major scene with Han in TFA. As for Leia, I’m giving them a pass because no one expected Carrie Fisher to pass away and they made plans for IX to be her focus like TFA was for Han and TLJ was for Luke.

Carry passing away was a terrible thing. And I don’t want to take that away, but we have to deal with reality now. And I’m actually glad that Leia isn’t going to be in IX as I don’t think Carry could act anymore. Plus she didn’t look like an old lady Leia that I would have wanted to see. I think Carry’s stuff in the ST is just one of the worst things about them.

It’s Carrie. Please spell her name right.

ray_afraid said:

Ryan said:

she didn’t look like an old lady Leia that I would have wanted to see.

And I’m sure you won’t look like an old man that anybody wants to see.
Attacking someone because of their looks is beyond low. Stop.

Agreed.

I’d also like to say that while I had my misgivings about her performance in TFA and I still have my misgivings about TLJ as a whole, Carrie knocked it out of the fucking park in TLJ. She seemed comfortable in her role in a way she hadn’t in TFA and, Space Superwoman Leia aside, she was consistently one of the very best parts of the movie.

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the Leia space scene could have been inspired by Marvel Star Wars #52, in which Imperial Officers fed up with Vader choking their fellows, try to assassinate him?
http://bullyscomics.blogspot.com/2015/09/365-days-of-star-wars-comics-day-252.html

Immediately after seeing TLJ, I was sitting with my wife and we were discussing the movie. I was explaining why I didn’t like the Poppins Leia scene, and I told her about this amazing moment in the old comics where disgruntled officers were trying to assassinate Vader by opening an airlock behind him. I was saying how awesome it was that he used the Force to steady himself against the airflow, then marched step by step back into the ship - how this would’ve been a better way to handle it than the floating through space/doorknock thing.

And here it is! Nice one!

Ryan said:

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

Aside from hugging for a few seconds during Yub Nub, there are no other scenes with Luke and Leia together between this one and when Luke goes off to hide and die on a remote planet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYX_PgorRY

That’s a really wide gulf story-wise with no explanation except gee I’m a bad teacher and I tried to kill one of my students and then he burned down my temple.

😦

Did they ever say how long Luke had been hiding for?

After TFA, I had thought that Luke might have been on that planet for like a couple of decades. But after seeing TLJ with Luke trying to kill an “older” looking Kylo. I’m thinking he might have just been hiding for a couple of years.

No hard dates, but Bloodline, which subtly implies from a lack of contact between Luke and Leia that this is right as the turn happens, is about 6 years before TFA.

SilverWook said:

Shopping Maul said:

SilverWook said:

I wonder if the Leia space scene could have been inspired by Marvel Star Wars #52, in which Imperial Officers fed up with Vader choking their fellows, try to assassinate him?
http://bullyscomics.blogspot.com/2015/09/365-days-of-star-wars-comics-day-252.html

Immediately after seeing TLJ, I was sitting with my wife and we were discussing the movie. I was explaining why I didn’t like the Poppins Leia scene, and I told her about this amazing moment in the old comics where disgruntled officers were trying to assassinate Vader by opening an airlock behind him. I was saying how awesome it was that he used the Force to steady himself against the airflow, then marched step by step back into the ship - how this would’ve been a better way to handle it than the floating through space/doorknock thing.

And here it is! Nice one!

I’m seeing that Mary Poppins thing all over the darn internet. I don’t recall Julie Andrews being violently blown out into space and almost dying. Did Walt cut that after the test screeings?
Or is this some clever viral marketing for the MP sequel? 😉

Sorry, I assumed we were on the same page here. My bad!

The ‘Mary Poppins’ thing is entirely down to the fact that the scene looks silly. We all know that Star Wars is entirely non-scientific (sound in space, earth-conditions on planets of all sizes etc etc) but there is still a (subjective) sense of plausibility even within this ‘silly’ universe.

A good example is the Ewoks. The Ewoks somehow cross a line for many people. Star Wars is jam-packed with cutesy animals and weird creatures made of rubber and a tall guy in a monkey suit - so why single out the Ewoks? Well, they cross a line. They’re teddy bears! We’re suddenly watching Paddington in Space rather than simply adding yet another exotic creature to the Star Wars lexicon. It’s a subtle thing, and a subjective thing, but it’s a thing.

I don’t know how plausible Leia’s space walk is. For all I know her survival in that moment (Force aside) is entirely scientific. But it looks ridiculous. It takes me out of the film because I start questioning it - “hang on, does that even make sense?”. Yes, it’s a universe where muppets lift X-wing fighters with a gesture, but somehow this moment is a mood-killer.

In the comic book you mentioned, Vader grabs a handhold as the airlock opens, calls upon the Force, and slowly rights himself against the winds rushing past him. It’s a great scene for Vader - gives him an almost ‘Terminator’ vibe and demonstrates his power. But as I write this I’m kind of realising that the same scene with Leia in Vader’s place probably would’ve looked dumb too. Ultimately I wish they’d either let her go in that scene or just not done that scene in the first place.

ChainsawAsh said:

Carrie knocked it out of the fucking park in TLJ. She seemed comfortable in her role in a way she hadn’t in TFA and, Space Superwoman Leia aside, she was consistently one of the very best parts of the movie.

This.

As long as I enjoyed TLJ I will be ok, and therefore I am ok. Box office means nothing to me.

Shopping Maul said:
I don’t know how plausible Leia’s space walk is. For all I know her survival in that moment (Force aside) is entirely scientific. But it looks ridiculous. It takes me out of the film because I start questioning it - “hang on, does that even make sense?”. Yes, it’s a universe where muppets lift X-wing fighters with a gesture, but somehow this moment is a mood-killer.

It was a little weird, and the way they did the visuals made it look a little silly. Ultimately I just went with it, mostly for the reasons you mentioned. I mean, if you can pull an object to yourself, why not pull yourself toward an object? If we’re putting future stories in a creative box labeled “if it didn’t happen in the original three or six, it can’t happen”, there wouldn’t be anywhere to go. That’s generally where I stand with most of the more controversial things being discussed around here.

The plausibility of the space walk in general? Force aside, yes, it’s generally accepted that you can survive in vacuum for a short time. Maybe a minute. Because of the near-zero pressure, your tissues near the skin would get puffy, and all of the moisture on the exposed surfaces of your body would boil away (saliva, etc). Only ‘mistake’ I noticed was that they seemed to make her look ‘iced over’, which is a common thing to do to someone exposed to vacuum in TV and movies. But that wouldn’t happen very quickly. Your body temperature is well above freezing, and in vacuum there’s no convection or conduction to move heat - you only cool off via direct radiation - so you would more likely overheat than get cold. Of course you’d lose consciousness after a few seconds at best, so you’d probably never notice…

In short - surviving the spacewalk itself is fine. They also did it correctly in that she would need immediate hospitalization for decompression injuries. But in a universe that has bacta, no problem, right?

Why is that scene a sticking point at all though? A Jedi can do all kinds of wacky things, and this falls under ‘knowledge and defence’ last time I checked. Jumping out of a trap or grabbing an object is fine but woah holding your breath and reaching for the nearest airlock is craazy. The only dumb part is that she didn’t pull inside the other bridge officers and seal the hole behind them.

one69chev said:

Projected 68% percent drop in movie ticket sales this weekend; that is Batman vs Superman territory. TFA dropped 39% from its first weekend to its second. We can speculate over the ‘real’ review numbers, but box office numbers will generally indicate how the movie going public really feels about a movie; case in point, The Justice League which will most likely finish its box office run with less than $700 million worldwide.

I heard via the SC Reviews channel that it was actually a 77% drop in ticket sales for the second week. Also despite the narrative claiming the low user score on Rotten Tom. is manufactured by some person that posted about it on Facebook, I have seen a pretty consistent ratio in likes vs dislikes for nearly every YouTube video I’ve watched that is either a review, analysis or opinion video that is openly criticising TLJ and they’re all around 70-90% likes vs the dislikes. I very much am getting the feeling that despite the positive image many articles are pushing, the visible and audible crowd of people who don’t like TLJ is growing larger buy the day and while not likely the majority, I estimate they are a significant percentage.

In regards to the prospects for episode IX, I agree with this guy - it’s in big trouble and JJ has a hell of a job before him!

https://youtu.be/snfJJ1RHFIA

.Val

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

TV’s Frink said:

YouTube likes and dislikes are an indication of a good movie or a bad movie now? Ok.

Could be an indication of public opinion though, which is what he’s talking about, not the quality of the movie.