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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * SPOILER THREAD * — Page 101

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lovelikewinter said:

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SilverWook said:

We haven’t heard mention of Wedge Antilles either. I’d like to see Wedge come back and help recruit new pilots or something.

They apparently offered Lawson a part in TFA - undoubtedly as one of the Resistance officers. He turned it down because he thought the part wasn’t big enough, which I find odd considering the size of his roles in the OT.

I heard Wedge was going to have the role that Lor San Tekka eventually had. Wedge would have had the piece of the map and it would have been really cool to see him pass it on the the next generation X-Wing pilot. Also he had a connection to Luke we saw on screen.

Lawson said it would have “bored him” to return. I guess he might regret being a part of a 2 billion box office picture, it would have led to exposure and possibly more job offers.

Although I would have liked to see Wedge in the new movies, perhaps money isn’t everything for some people. And that’s a good thing.

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He hasn’t been too bored to sign autographs at Celebration in the past.

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chyron8472 said:

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Not saying this was the right way to explain it, but Force spirits were explained in the last 3 episodes of The Clone Wars Season 6.

I’m not asking “why did they become Force Ghosts”, but “why did their bodies disappear?”

Oh, right. Yeah, that doesn’t get explained at all.

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What exactly would you guys say are specific reasons why TLJ is so divisive?

Not why it sucks, or why it’s wonderful—but what about the film seems to (apparently) be making it a love it or hate it kind of thing?

Like, if I were to have a conversation with someone I know irl about TLJ, and if I said it seems to be really divisive regarding the fanbase, and they asked me why, what could I say?

…I’m having this hypothetical conversation with family in my head, but I don’t know how to explain conceptually why its divisive, especially to someone who hasn’t seen the film yet.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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It’s hard to say exactly. A lot of people cite the weird tone in places, the gags and the quips. Others just don’t like the answers to certain mystery box questions. Others think Luke was “ruined” or something. Conversely others like all this switcheroo stuff so I guess that has lot to do with it.

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I’m baffled by the visceral reactions, since I’m an old school Star Wars fan, and should be deeply offended and record a dissertation on youtube or something. I don’t think even the prequels generated this level of online loathe, but social media wasn’t what it is now.

Maybe I’m just too old to give a crap either way. 😛

Seriously though, I liked it. Looking forward to seeing it in 70mm IMAX next month.

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While I really enjoyed it, I think it can be off putting to have 2 subplots going on on top of the main plot. Some of the character arcs, story details and themes tend to get lost in the intercutting. Everything felt a bit more cohesive on a second viewing.

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SilverWook said:

I’m baffled by the visceral reactions, since I’m an old school Star Wars fan, and should be deeply offended

Yeah it’s exhausting and weird and getting worse every year. We’re going to have a new movie every year for the rest of time and I think I’m going to have to go live in a unabomber shack. (also, the screams in the void art is really cool)

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baron_lando said:

SilverWook said:

I’m baffled by the visceral reactions, since I’m an old school Star Wars fan, and should be deeply offended

Yeah it’s exhausting and weird and getting worse every year. We’re going to have a new movie every year for the rest of time and I think I’m going to have to go live in a unabomber shack. (also, the screams in the void art is really cool)

thank you !

https://screamsinthevoid.deviantart.com/

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Novus_Opiate said:

While I really enjoyed it, I think it can be off putting to have 2 subplots going on on top of the main plot. Some of the character arcs, story details and themes tend to get lost in the intercutting. Everything felt a bit more cohesive on a second viewing.

I think each of the Disney era Star Wars movies needs a second viewing. The first time, you are almost overwhelmed trying to absorb everything. The second time you can relax.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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chyron8472 said:

What exactly would you guys say are specific reasons why TLJ is so divisive?

Not why it sucks, or why it’s wonderful—but what about the film seems to (apparently) be making it a love it or hate it kind of thing?

Like, if I were to have a conversation with someone I know irl about TLJ, and if I said it seems to be really divisive regarding the fanbase, and they asked me why, what could I say?

…I’m having this hypothetical conversation with family in my head, but I don’t know how to explain conceptually why its divisive, especially to someone who hasn’t seen the film yet.

I think there are a lot of things that can putoff viewers:
+Things you that were made to be important are easily dismissed
+Lacks traditional Star Wars pacing
+story only really builds to middle act, not final act
+feels like you are watching another film, not a Star Wars film
+has a general disrespect for the universe created before it

All of that probably is less of a reason and the biggest reason is people had really high expectations for this because of inclusion of luke/leia and it being the middle chapter of this trilogy. People went into it expecting ESB level filmmaking.

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chyron8472 said:

What exactly would you guys say are specific reasons why TLJ is so divisive?

Not why it sucks, or why it’s wonderful—but what about the film seems to (apparently) be making it a love it or hate it kind of thing?

Like, if I were to have a conversation with someone I know irl about TLJ, and if I said it seems to be really divisive regarding the fanbase, and they asked me why, what could I say?

…I’m having this hypothetical conversation with family in my head, but I don’t know how to explain conceptually why its divisive, especially to someone who hasn’t seen the film yet.

My theory is that this has to do with how different process what they experience. I didn’t like TLJ. I think it is quite well made, but poorly thought-out and written. And that’s where I see the dividing line. If you are somebody who has a great sense of detail, you are probably more likely to enjoy the film, because the little things and much of the individual parts that make up a film are spot on here. However, if you are someone who is more likely to see the forest than the trees, you might be a lot more distracted by the shaky story structure, numerous plot-holes and the way this (not quite) new story feels like in the context of what came before it.

Anyway, that’s just my interpretation, I could be way off. Another explanation would be that we live in an era that just favours strong opinions on anything and everything. 😃

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ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

That’s immediately what I thought. Died of exhaustion after that performance.

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I would put this in my sig if I weren’t so lazy.

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

That’s immediately what I thought. Died of exhaustion after that performance.

Yeah, I got this a lot more clearly on my second viewing.

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They drop a hint early on that certain uses of the force can result in death (Kylo Ren: “You’re not doing this, the effort would kill you.”).

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

That’s immediately what I thought. Died of exhaustion after that performance.

Yeah, I got that right away too…he barely made it back onto that rock.

I’m confused at people’s confusion.

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I think I would’ve preferred it if he had not gotten back upright. I’d more easily have believed he was dying of exhaustion. He could still see the sunset/sunrise.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I like that he got back up. Died on his own terms, with the force calling to him, just as it did once before.

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Wait, do we all agree that he died of exhaustion then? I took him getting back upright to mean that he didn’t die from over exertion, but rather that he sort of “leveled up”. It’s not that the Force projection bit took so much out of him that he had to die, it’s that he transcended time and space and achieved Force godhood.