The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 64

JawsTDS said:

Two out of three of the Sequel Trilogy films (thus far) have ended with the Force Theme. Out of all the issues with the Sequel Trilogy, this is one that really irks me. It made sense in the context of both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, but you’d think Williams wouldn’t be so repetitive.

And there is no doubt in my mind it will be the same case for Episode IX.

Williams ended Revenge of the Sith with it too. That means the last three Star Wars films have all used the force theme at the end. I agree, it would seem as one of the greatest composers of all time would avoid this type of repetition.

NeverarGreat said:

I’m not saying that the Jedi are evil. Their teachings, however, seem to create as many problems as they solve which is why I’m hopeful that in Episode 9 Rey grows beyond their rules and begins a far better practice.

I agree, and I think the film suggests that will be the case.

thedewback2 said:

JawsTDS said:

Two out of three of the Sequel Trilogy films (thus far) have ended with the Force Theme. Out of all the issues with the Sequel Trilogy, this is one that really irks me. It made sense in the context of both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, but you’d think Williams wouldn’t be so repetitive.

And there is no doubt in my mind it will be the same case for Episode IX.

Williams ended Revenge of the Sith with it too. That means the last three Star Wars films have all used the force theme at the end. I agree, it would seem as one of the greatest composers of all time would avoid this type of repetition.

It’s tough because I can’t think of a more fitting theme to use for any of those scenes. I just wish he’d played it a bit differently in TLJ (like how he changed the end of it in TFA).

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

I’m not saying that the Jedi are evil. Their teachings, however, seem to create as many problems as they solve which is why I’m hopeful that in Episode 9 Rey grows beyond their rules and begins a far better practice.

I agree, and I think the film suggests that will be the case.

It certainly does from a certain point of view. She’s learned next to nothing from the last jedi, and has to figure everything out for herself. That pretty much guarantees a different practise.

Sorry, I will shut up now… 😉

I hated this film, mostly because of the way Luke was handled but pretty much everything else was bad too. Such a shame, I really liked TFA.

Disney Ruined Star Wars said:

Some things I really liked about the new trilogy:

1. Seeing the old gang back together again
2. Passing the torch to a new generation of heroes and fans
3. Restoring the OT aesthetic (the PT was ugly and fake) but still update to 21st century
4. Rey being a strong female lead
5. New adventures and storylines still keeping the spirit of the originals

TFA had some great moments and some what were they thinking moments? I thought it was a mixed bag, but there was still hope or wonder to see where the story went. Now it’s all trashed. I wonder if anyone can explain to me first, independent of Star Wars, how was this a good movie? The plot was nonsensical. There were so many contrived scenarios and subplots. They kept returning to the exact same shot of the First Order ship shooting at the shields of the fleeing Resistance ship over and over again. I counted at least 4 times they used the same shot! The characters didn’t develop at all. They spent a whole movie trying to find Luke…Rey goes there to get him and afterward Yoda is like “you didn’t need to find him, you already know everything”. Gee, great.

I mean the movie was just a bad movie, but then you take the spirit of Star Wars and Luke’s character and just pour acid all over them and throw them into a dumpster fire. Even Mark Hamill said he disagrees with everything! That should tell you something.

Oh well, have to remind myself it’s just a movie. These new ones can never change how I feel about the original three…

DrDre said:

Sorry to keep banging on about this, but this really grinds my gears. Just to point out how poorly concieved TLJ is, and how it undermines the earlier films, here’s an image:

The size of the Supremacy is 60,000 meters. The size of the first Death Star is 160,000 meters. The Death Star is bigger, but not that much bigger. Why did the rebels have to steal the plans, and send a small group of rebel ships to destroy the Death Star? Why not just take multiple cruisers piloted by droids, and have them hyperspace through it, destroying the space station? That would have surely saved a lot of lifes.

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DrDre, I accidentally added my comments to your post when I meant to quote. I’ve restored your post and quoted further down the page. That’s the reason it shows your post was edited. Sorry about that.
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I really hate that Disney movies do not have a SCALE for anything.

• The First Order is too big. Should have been a fringe organization, not the Empire again.
• The New Republic was too small / weird / never shown. And then we blew it up, and it seems to be completely gone.
• Starkiller Base was too big. Ridiculous. Ruins the Death Star.
• Snoke’s ship was insanely big. Ruins the entire space chase. If it was a single Star Destroyer chasing a single Rebel ship, that would have possibly a cool/thrilling/dramatic chase. U-Boat vibes! Callback to A New Hope!

Just have some normal sized ships, dudes. No need to outdo every previous movie.

Mrebo said:

I think many elements in the movie are mocking Star Wars. One line that really sticks out as mocking Star Wars was Luke saying “laser sword.” I wanted the world of Star Wars to take itself more seriously, that’s what makes it feel real even as we see questionable physics and crazy aliens.

It’s even worse because the emperor mocks Luke’s lightsaber in ROTJ. But in ESB, Yoda conveys the same message by simply saying “your weapons, you will not need them”.

It’s as if one character is a good guy with a good character, and the other one says the same thing but he’s evil and does it in a goading manner to elicit negative emotions. So why would you make Luke act like the emperor instead of the wise, paternal Jedi master?

I really question if these new people even understand Star Wars besides basic branding at all.

DominicCobb said:

NeverarGreat said:

I’m not saying that the Jedi are evil. Their teachings, however, seem to create as many problems as they solve which is why I’m hopeful that in Episode 9 Rey grows beyond their rules and begins a far better practice.

I agree, and I think the film suggests that will be the case.

Believing in the Force =/= believing blindly in a bunch of doctrines.

“JJ/RJ/KK all suck I wish they had gone with George Lucas’s plot outline instead of this garbage that ruined Luke Skywalker forever.”

Yeah, okay…
http://www.slashfilm.com/george-lucas-sequel-trilogy/

Having read the Art of TFA book (and having just started reading the Art of TLJ book), I can say with some certainty that the conception that Lucas’s ideas were completely scrapped is basically a myth.

I really like in the RLM review how they point out Force Yoda acts like fake Yoda from ESB. He was acting crazy to test Luke but when it’s time for the movie to get serious, he starts acting serious. In this movie he acts weird and crazy just to yak it up for the audience, which I found really unsettling too.

From an outsider looking in on this 50/50 I like it / I don’t like it because of various reasons.

I offer this Council to you.

If you like it carry on with the saga buy cinema tickets, DVD and Blu-rays books merchandise you name it.

If you do not like it walk away and be done with it and decide it’s not for you.

I could see which way it was going and I am genuinely proud I will never see this film!

well I think you can certainly expect a lower budget on the last Episode given the social media reaction.

It looks like a 50/50 split so the budget will be aligned accordingly for losses.

With an Awry Han Solo movie hanging in the balance this is a bit of a downturn…

Been here before learnt my lesson walk away best attitude if you do not like.

SilverWook said:

The only thing Disney is paying attention to is box office and merchandising. And it’s boffo. If they paid any serious mind to social media, we’d have gotten an answer to the bloody OOT question this past year.

that has been answered in starbucks or megabucks or credits… Keep up :}

Ronster said:

well I think you can certainly expect a lower budget on the last Episode given the social media reaction.

It looks like a 50/50 split so the budget will be aligned accordingly for losses.

More accurate research shows it’s nothing near 50/50, probably closer to 90/10 or 70/30 at the very least.

And when TLJ becomes the third highest grossing domestic release of all time, I’m sure any thought about decreasing the IX budget will disappear.

Just wanted to share Kevin Smith thoughts on TLJ:

https://youtu.be/GRwmtpr79qE

I’ve seen some people comparing the ST to as if Luke was Lincoln and abolished slavery, only to die and slavery return 20 years later. Wouldn’t that have undermined his achievement? That’s theoretically what happened with Luke and his Jedi Order.
The thing is, the people running the ST decided to make Rey become Luke (the last of the Jedi) and that basically means that Luke would have to fail rebuilding therefore failing to pass on what he learned therefore becoming a failure.
ST also undermined Han’s and Leia’s arcs, but only to a certain extent. Sigh.