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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 61

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Good point, Val. To reinforce that you could also say that Luke was planing to use the Force until the mind trick didn’t work on Jabba. By trying and apparently failing he would’ve appeared to be weaker. Using his abilities in view of everybody to kill the Rancor would’ve lost him that advantage. He was deliberately playing down how powerful he was until the Sarlaac and Jabba was mocking him for being a Jedi right up to that point.

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doubleofive said:

But he Force grabs the guard’s gun.

Does he? I’d forgotten that bit, though after just rewatching the scene on youtube it is very close already and could be mistaken for him simply grabbing it from the guards belt.

Anyway I do feel more like I’m making excuses now to support the point of view which is a bit of a stretch now for what is shown in the movie. It was something that sounded like it could be the case when reading about the scene in this thread but watching it again actually makes it not really a possibility.

Instead I think Luke is simply surprised and caught out when dropped into the pit which is what I always use to think anyway. It could be that it was meant as a bit of a message / lesson in being over confident in your control of a situation and your ability to handle whatever happens in it, a call back you might say to Han’s comment in ANH “Great kid. Don’t get cocky!”.

.Val

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Valheru_84 said:

One point of view people may be missing about the Rancor pit scene…Luke was visibile to Jabba and many of his associates and underlings most of the time in the pit, even when at the gated entrance. He probably didn’t want to use the force unless absolutely necessary otherwise it would give his “hand” away to Jabba who would then take precautions against these witnessed abilities and likely foil Luke’s plan.

Pretty much the only time he is properly out of sight is when he’s under the rock overhang (rear gated entrance still closed at this point) and you might say he used the force then to smash the Rancor’s hand with the rock as I don’t think a normal person doing the same would even cause the Rancor to flinch, let alone rear back and roar in utter pain.

He does use the force earlier to choke the initial two palace guards but no one else is nearby to witness this to understand how they died.

.Val

I’m sorry but that ship (people knowing he’s a Jedi) sailed long ago. Not only he force choke the guards, but he presents himself as a Jedi, he tries to use the jedi mind trick on Jabba (after using it on Bib, and Jabba pushes him saying something like: “your fool, this is an old jedi trick” and tells Luke that it won’t work with him), and finally he uses the force to grab a gun and try to shoot Jabba.

I don’t see why after all this he would risk his life by hiding his jedi powers. It doesn’t make any sense to me.

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Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:

Good point, Val. To reinforce that you could also say that Luke was planing to use the Force until the mind trick didn’t work on Jabba. By trying and apparently failing he would’ve appeared to be weaker. Using his abilities in view of everybody to kill the Rancor would’ve lost him that advantage. He was deliberately playing down how powerful he was until the Sarlaac and Jabba was mocking him for being a Jedi right up to that point.

If I remember correctly, in the movie he advises Jabba to not underestimate his powers. I don’t see him playing down at all.

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It’s possible he’s freaking out and forgets he has the Force in his encounter with the Rancor. I know canon says Rancors are not native to Tatooine, but I used to imagine he’s facing his greatest fear, the monster he used to hear echoing across the desert. Now he’s trapped in a room with it, and for a moment forgets everything he’s learned.

However, I feel that it would be worthwhile for this edit to attempt to make Luke throw the skull or hit the button with the Force.

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Remove as much ewoks as possible - maintain or add as much (new) rebels as possible, and remove and replace cringe on Endor with a longer spacebattle and/or new scenes with rebels, to compensate for lost time.

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Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

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ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

The things is, Luke probably could’ve done these things - but showing too much power would diminish Jabba’s hold and confidence over his prisoners and employees - causing fear and chaos, forcing Jabba to defend for himself - killing Luke and his friends with everything in his might. I thought this was obvious.

Example would be if a guy is saving his friends with a backup-plan in mind, and only bring a pistol with him to a meeting, the people would take away the pistol with simple violence if necessary. If he brought five grenades and a bazooka, all the people would be at danger, panic would arose he would be shot at first sight at saving his friends with these weapons.

It makes sense for him to be humble, and pretend to be overconfident for his plan later to work.

If Luke started crashing down floors and choking a damn Balrog of Morgoth people would fucking run for their life’s, and Jabba shit himself trying to burn him down before it was too late.

You guys overthink (or under think) way too much. It can’t be good for your viewing pleasures.

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Anjohan said:

ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

The things is, Luke probably could’ve done these things

I disagree completely. He’s not Yoda or the Emperor.

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doubleofive said:

It’s possible he’s freaking out and forgets he has the Force in his encounter with the Rancor. I know canon says Rancors are not native to Tatooine, but I used to imagine he’s facing his greatest fear, the monster he used to hear echoing across the desert. Now he’s trapped in a room with it, and for a moment forgets everything he’s learned.

However, I feel that it would be worthwhile for this edit to attempt to make Luke throw the skull or hit the button with the Force.

If we assume that he freaked out and forgot he has Jedi powers this only makes stronger what Yoda said in ESB (he’s not ready). And I believe what you said is correct, Luke doesn’t act like a fully trained Jedi sometimes. I hope something can be done to improve his behaviour as a Jedi.

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TV’s Frink said:

Anjohan said:

ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

The things is, Luke probably could’ve done these things

I disagree completely. He’s not Yoda or the Emperor.

It doesn’t matter if you do. The point isn’t if he could. He might as well have attempted and failed.

The point is for his plan to work, he could’nt start a war inside Jabba’s Palace.

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Alright I guess I misread your post, I thought you were saying he actually could do any of those things if he wanted to, he just didn’t want to.

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I think Frink was joking that Yoda and the Emperor do a lot of stupid things in their fight.

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Yeah, but the audience only sees Luke force choking the guards, pulling the gun and mind tricking Bib Fortuna. Out of these, only the mind trick was really impressive (I guess not anymore since even Rey, a completely untrained Jedi as she is, pulled it off so easily). So, from my experience as a viewer, it was always building up to Luke just eventually going full Jedi, which is the sail barge scene. After all, it was the first time we saw a Jedi kicking everyone’s ass, and I feel like the subtle uses of the force that came before built up to that. Just my opinion though.

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TV’s Frink said:

Alright I guess I misread your post, I thought you were saying he actually could do any of those things if he wanted to, he just didn’t want to.

Yeah, no worries. I think I just started the post with the wrong idea before moving to the point.

Either way… I don’t understand Why people here are trying so hard to create story problems or faults where there are none. Luke using a few Jedi powers vaguely, and more importantly not creating any chaos inside Jabba’s Palace but rather a little tension, is perfectly understandble and fits his plan perfectly. He seems overconfident - and probably is, but it suits his needs. It keeps his friends safe, and it gives him an opportunity of surprise later on. The Rancor he didn’t expect, but he keeps his cool - killing it with logic and patience rather than anything that would pose him too great a threat to keep alive or nearby.

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The Ancient Lore
Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
Harry Potter Revisited
Game of Thrones Film Edits
Titanic Restructured
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Anjohan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Alright I guess I misread your post, I thought you were saying he actually could do any of those things if he wanted to, he just didn’t want to.

Yeah, no worries. I think I just started the post with the wrong idea before moving to the point.

Either way… I don’t understand Why people here are trying so hard to create story problems or faults where there are none. Luke using a few Jedi powers vaguely, and more importantly not creating any chaos inside Jabba’s Palace but rather a little tension, is perfectly understandble and fits his plan perfectly. He seems overconfident - and probably is, but it suits his needs. It keeps his friends safe, and it gives him an opportunity of surprise later on. The Rancor he didn’t expect, but he keeps his cool - killing it with logic and patience rather than anything that would pose him too great a threat to keep alive or nearby.

Well, I on the Other hand can’t understand why people try so hard to come up with explanations only to avoid mistakes from being corrected. Of course I would prefer not to change anything, but some things really need fixing. Otherside There would be no need for a ROTJ:R, Adywan would Just do some color correction ANS that’s It. I used to think ESB needed no fix at ALL, but all the changes Adywan did made the movie better (the emperor hologram is the best to me). So I am not afraid of changes (anymore).

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ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it?

Out-dance the fucker.

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ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it? I think it’s easy to believe Luke was doing everything he could and just isn’t powerful enough to do any of those things.

No, it is only that he can do in my opinion (use the force to push the button).

People here seems to think Jedis are gods, that can kill hundreds of people with a single gesture. It is not like that at all, and even if it was, Luke certainly couldn’t do it. He didn’t finish his training and He doesn’t even have a lightsaber ! What would he do if Bobba Fett and all the guards start to shooting him? Wave his hand to deflect all the shooting? Come on! It´s a single man unarmed ! And Jabba faced Jedis before, he knows what they can do. No single Jedi (and without a lightsaber I might add! ) would be able to beat all the guards in Jabba’s palace. And Jabba knows it, so why would he be afraid of Luke? So there’s no need to Luke to hide his powers. As a matter of fact, I think he did everything that he could there.

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If you’re going to remove the Sarlaac’s beak, does that also mean you’re removing its tentacles?

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I personally don’t see anything wrong with them way the Rancor scene goes, nor with the sail barge scene. And I really like how Luke is different from the conventional Jedi seen in the prequels and etc, because those Jedi failed where Luke didn’t, and because Luke received informal Jedi training and learned a lot by himself, so one could argue that he wouldn’t even know the “correct” way to behave like a JedI. (But I essentially disagree with the claim that Luke doesn’t behave like a Jedi)

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DuracellEnergizer said:

ray_afraid said:

Other than maybe pushing the door button with the force, I don’t see what Luke is neglecting to do in the rancor scene.
Is he supposed to fry it with lightning? Choke it to death? Bring the roof down on it?

Out-dance the fucker.

Please make this happen, ady.

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ady could make it happen for me to use in 2045 though. 😉

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I don’t know if this will be overkill, unnecesary or already posted. But I saw it and I thought about the Revisited Editions.

This file contains sound effects from Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2017) including starship passbys, laser shots, explosions, lightsaber sounds, cockpit sounds, walker steps and a long list of other sounds. Very diverse, perfectly sorted and named.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/n11kg2icsrpm1kq/sfx_v1.rar

Credit goes to “Rancor022” from the facepunch forums.