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I can’t recall if the opening theme music was going to be replaced in this edit or not (I know other editors have and will replace it in their own edits). I know most people have planned to use the prequel version of the opening theme, but back when TFA came out on DVD, Adywan posted an edited version of the TFA theme that made it sound more like the London Symphony Orchestra’s versions that he planned to use for his own personal edit. Don’t know how to describe it, more “grandiose”? Anyway, I can’t remember when exactly he posted it but I went ahead and reuploaded the version he shared if anyone wanted to use it for their own or we wanted to consider using it for this version, since it is just an enhanced version of TFA’s own theme rather than using a different movie’s theme.

https://mega.nz/#!DFEgBBBY!tL7aTGM7yZGOg0UWMTj8zCzLjxahSt7jSKL7j2kP-Jg

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Oh yes, the theme definitely needs to be replaced. The version as is sounds so anemic. It depressed me so much in the theater.

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Yes please! I’ve been wondering about that as well.

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Sir Ridley said:

Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

Sounds very seamless to me. The only criticism I have is what I posted before. It should either start with Hux telling Snoke of the Republics destruction or if the intention is to imply that they talked about that off-screen, then Hux shouldn’t start with “Supreme Leader, …” as that sounds like the first sentence of a conversation.

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Would it not be possible to include the video game line and add a slight echo to all of Hux’s lines to help it blend? I like the line a lot, and he is speaking loudly in a vast chamber.

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RogueLeader said:

I can’t recall if the opening theme music was going to be replaced in this edit or not (I know other editors have and will replace it in their own edits). I know most people have planned to use the prequel version of the opening theme, but back when TFA came out on DVD, Adywan posted an edited version of the TFA theme that made it sound more like the London Symphony Orchestra’s versions that he planned to use for his own personal edit. Don’t know how to describe it, more “grandiose”? Anyway, I can’t remember when exactly he posted it but I went ahead and reuploaded the version he shared if anyone wanted to use it for their own or we wanted to consider using it for this version, since it is just an enhanced version of TFA’s own theme rather than using a different movie’s theme.

https://mega.nz/#!DFEgBBBY!tL7aTGM7yZGOg0UWMTj8zCzLjxahSt7jSKL7j2kP-Jg

+1
I know it’s outside the scope of this edit but it would be a much needed improvement

“You can’t polish a turd. But you can shape it to look like candy.”

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Jackpumpkinhead said:

RogueLeader said:

I can’t recall if the opening theme music was going to be replaced in this edit or not (I know other editors have and will replace it in their own edits). I know most people have planned to use the prequel version of the opening theme, but back when TFA came out on DVD, Adywan posted an edited version of the TFA theme that made it sound more like the London Symphony Orchestra’s versions that he planned to use for his own personal edit. Don’t know how to describe it, more “grandiose”? Anyway, I can’t remember when exactly he posted it but I went ahead and reuploaded the version he shared if anyone wanted to use it for their own or we wanted to consider using it for this version, since it is just an enhanced version of TFA’s own theme rather than using a different movie’s theme.

https://mega.nz/#!DFEgBBBY!tL7aTGM7yZGOg0UWMTj8zCzLjxahSt7jSKL7j2kP-Jg

+1
I know it’s outside the scope of this edit but it would be a much needed improvement

Hell, it’s such a simple, almost benign change I don’t even know if I’d say it’s outside the scope of the edit.

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darth_ender said:

Sir Ridley said:

Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

Sounds very seamless to me. The only criticism I have is what I posted before. It should either start with Hux telling Snoke of the Republics destruction or if the intention is to imply that they talked about that off-screen, then Hux shouldn’t start with “Supreme Leader, …” as that sounds like the first sentence of a conversation.

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Would it not be possible to include the video game line and add a slight echo to all of Hux’s lines to help it blend? I like the line a lot, and he is speaking loudly in a vast chamber.

It would be possible, but I don’t think it would sound great. And I still think it’s a problem how there’s no reaction or acknowledgement from Snoke. Perhaps if you use the “good” from later, but that’s still an underwhelming reaction. And the “swept aside” line itself is not dramatic enough, in my opinion. They blew up planets, they’re not “aside”, they’re gone forever.

So I don’t know, it can be done, but the result wouldn’t be seamless enough.

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NeverarGreat said:

There have been several such changes that have already made it in, I don’t see how this is anything but an improvement.

The inclusion of the deleted scene is probably the most obvious example, though I’d argue that if the theatrical relase had been structured this way (Hosnian destruction and Han’s death at the same time), that scene would never have been cut and would be where it’s been placed in the edit, so in a way it is within the scope of the edit. Even though it also isn’t.

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Hal 9000 said:

Just checking in briefly from work! You’ll have to imagine wild praise from me for the time being, because all I have time to chime in about right now is about the slowed down shots. Once the Starkiller begins to fire, most if not all of the shots between that point and the Hosnian system coming into frame are from elsewhere in the film and have been slowed down. And yes, all of these are present in the ‘big test’ video. However, I cannot enable downloading of the video without paying Vimeo, and I can’t upload the clip another way unless I’m at home. 😕

Here we go, slow motion shots:
https://mega.nz/#!eU9VnBZZ!yn9m5kDdGmUW9xdRQgegKEDLMwgaKUKh8l5bw4bWfsw

And new audio for the Maz scene (with freshly adjusted “found us” line):
https://mega.nz/#!WcVE2B7Q!ttn6AYgaU4kYX_xZ2c0GEUcG9TeRbIZRqvS14pUhbfM

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Sir Ridley said:

darth_ender said:

Sir Ridley said:

Kexikus said:

Sir Ridley said:

Here is my final cut, including music:
https://vimeo.com/246094567
pass: hux

I believe this music works fine, and I would personally prefer to only use John Williams’ music if possible. But this is how the scene plays out now, so you can make something for it.

Sounds very seamless to me. The only criticism I have is what I posted before. It should either start with Hux telling Snoke of the Republics destruction or if the intention is to imply that they talked about that off-screen, then Hux shouldn’t start with “Supreme Leader, …” as that sounds like the first sentence of a conversation.

Understandable, but in Hal’s words from last page: “I totally agree that such dialogue would be great to have there, but I don’t think the existing material to work with yield something worthy of inclusion.”

I don’t know if it would be good to imply that they’ve been talking by seemingly beginning in the middle of a conversation because either way the left out conversation is still just in our “headcanon” and audiences watching wouldn’t necessarily come to the conclusion that they had that exact conversation just by leaving out “Supreme Leader”. And the imagined left out conversation can still make sense with how it’s presented now.

Would it not be possible to include the video game line and add a slight echo to all of Hux’s lines to help it blend? I like the line a lot, and he is speaking loudly in a vast chamber.

It would be possible, but I don’t think it would sound great. And I still think it’s a problem how there’s no reaction or acknowledgement from Snoke. Perhaps if you use the “good” from later, but that’s still an underwhelming reaction. And the “swept aside” line itself is not dramatic enough, in my opinion. They blew up planets, they’re not “aside”, they’re gone forever.

So I don’t know, it can be done, but the result wouldn’t be seamless enough.

I think the “it is wreckage” line works. After Alderaan was destroyed there sure was a lot of wreckage. The planet is gone but you can sure bet there is wreckage so if that line could be put in more seamlessly than the video game line (which I agree does not sound good enough), then I think that would work.

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The wreckage line, despite my best attempts, simply doesn’t sound enough like something he would say, and unless someone else is able to salvage it, it won’t be getting any better.
When The Last Jedi arrives, we’ll have twice as much material for this sort of thing, so I bet we’ll be able to cobble something together. But he only says “The Republic” once that is usable, and more problematically he almost exclusively talks in the present or future tense.

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RogueLeader said:

I can’t recall if the opening theme music was going to be replaced in this edit or not (I know other editors have and will replace it in their own edits). I know most people have planned to use the prequel version of the opening theme, but back when TFA came out on DVD, Adywan posted an edited version of the TFA theme that made it sound more like the London Symphony Orchestra’s versions that he planned to use for his own personal edit. Don’t know how to describe it, more “grandiose”? Anyway, I can’t remember when exactly he posted it but I went ahead and reuploaded the version he shared if anyone wanted to use it for their own or we wanted to consider using it for this version, since it is just an enhanced version of TFA’s own theme rather than using a different movie’s theme.

https://mega.nz/#!DFEgBBBY!tL7aTGM7yZGOg0UWMTj8zCzLjxahSt7jSKL7j2kP-Jg

That… that is simply beautiful.

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RogueLeader said:

I can’t recall if the opening theme music was going to be replaced in this edit or not (I know other editors have and will replace it in their own edits). I know most people have planned to use the prequel version of the opening theme, but back when TFA came out on DVD, Adywan posted an edited version of the TFA theme that made it sound more like the London Symphony Orchestra’s versions that he planned to use for his own personal edit. Don’t know how to describe it, more “grandiose”? Anyway, I can’t remember when exactly he posted it but I went ahead and reuploaded the version he shared if anyone wanted to use it for their own or we wanted to consider using it for this version, since it is just an enhanced version of TFA’s own theme rather than using a different movie’s theme.

https://mega.nz/#!DFEgBBBY!tL7aTGM7yZGOg0UWMTj8zCzLjxahSt7jSKL7j2kP-Jg

This is a very bad idea. No offense.

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DominicCobb said:

This is a very bad idea. No offense.

It’s been awhile since I watched the original TFA, so I may be slightly biased on my opinion when listening to the posted track, but I would like to hear your opinion on why it would not work?

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Regarding the alternate music; it’s the sort of thing I really would prefer not to do. Not sure how to put it into words, but it’s the same instinct that drives me to reword the TFA:R crawl to closely follow the original, and the reason why I intentionally varied the crawls in my prequel edits (color, glow, and angle).
I do want to let each movie feel distinct. I like watching ESB’s crawl and instantly recognizing that crawl for what it is, with it’s idiosyncrasies. Some people really like that the PT used the same recording for each crawl and want to use that one for TFA as well. Me, on the other hand, I wanted to find alternate recordings of the opening theme to use for Episodes II and III, though this didn’t pan out.

It’s all rather moot, though, as the existing audio provided doesn’t sync with the theatrical. Presumably Adywan crafted it for his universal crawl template. If anyone wants to build an edit from TFA:R V2, that alternate opening score will be available for them.

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I disagree, but understand.

I’ll probably make an alternate audio track for V2 with either the linked version of the theme or the prequel theme for myself, and make it available for anyone who wants to mux it in themselves.

Assuming that’s okay with you, HAL.

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Understood, Hal! Just wanted to put it out there just in case.

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Yes, and thank you very much for doing so! ChainsawAsh, and anyone else, please do absolutely anything you want with any of this stuff, including the edit as a whole. Don’t even ask! 😃

My stance on revising fan edits.

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I just noticed a potential issue in the escape from Jakku. After they go to hyperspace, Finn tells Rey that ‘we need to get out of this system’. Yet presumably they’ve already left the system, so Finn’s not making a lot of sense. I played around with some dialogue changes, but it’s probably better to just cut the line.

If people think it’s a problem, that is.

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ChainsawAsh said:

Why?

A John Williams Star Wars score is kind of a sacred thing, and, though most don’t think about it that way, the Main Title is always a part of the whole - each one should be unique in its own way, like the individual scores themselves. The fact that the PT all use the same recording is a big issue to me (and emblematic of the main problems I have with the latter films’ scores).

From what I recall, Ady’s alternate, while nice, essentially grafts the opening blast of the original film’s Main Title onto TFA’s, which to me is a big no no, as it’s dipping into that PT recycling territory, while also stripping the TFA recording of its individuality.

For and edit that’s supposed to make TFA less of an ANH rehash, this is a change that would feel entirely out of place.

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While it’s by no means a deal breaker. The decision to not address the main theme is disappointing. I think it’s fair to say it was the one thing about the film that was universally criticized.

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