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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread — Page 355

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Anakin Starkiller said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Anakin Starkiller said:

It’s time for me to come clean with you guys…I’ve never seen the unaltered OT.

And yet you still argue that Hayden in ROTJ makes more sense than Shaw.

LOL

It’s not like I’ve never seen the footage. I don’t think I need to see it within the context of the whole movie to take a stance on it. To me, Shaw as Anakin is a plot hole.

Old good guys die, ghosts are old men. Old bad guy dies, ghost is young man. It makes more sense that he looks like someone you (and Luke!) saw 5 minutes before than someone you haven’t seen in 6 hours (during a marathon) and Luke has never seen in his life.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

And yet you post in a human language instead of binary.

ONLY BECAUSE EVERYONE CRIED LIKE LITTLE HUMAN BABIES WHEN I USED NOTHING BUT BINARY

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Take it to the invisible thread.

On topic, do you think most of the people in the Star Wars universe showered at morning or at night?

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depends on how many suns the planet has

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John Doom said:

yhwx said:

Isn’t it a little weird how in the first movie, Han says that he’s never heard of the Jedi or the Force, but the Jedi only went extinct twenty years earlier?

He just said he didn’t believe in this stuff. This is also consistent with what he said in TFA.

LUKE
You don’t believe in the Force, do you?

HAN
Kid, I’ve flown from one side of this galaxy to the other. I’ve seen a lot of strange stuff, but I’ve never seen anything to make me believe there’s one all-powerful force controlling everything. There’s no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. It’s all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

In any case, I think Lucas originally wanted the Jedi to be extinct for much more years for the original movie, but this later changed with the next two.

No. Luke’s father was a Jedi, and Vader reportedly murdered him and helped hunt down the other Jedi. And Ben knew Anakin personally. Han’s and General Motti’s (“don’t try to frighten us…”) skepticism of the Force aren’t so much an indication of a previous storyline as much as a possible minor plothole.

Han’s skepticism can be validated to a degree, but I don’t know what justification Motti would have for willfully baiting Vader like that.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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It seems pretty true that he planned to have had the Jedi be extinct for a longer time before the OT and then changed his mind when making the PT.

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But again—in Star Wars, the original film, by itself, without any other films being made yet—Ben Kenobi says of Anakin that “I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi” and “A young Jedi named Darth Vader who was a pupil of mine […] helped the Empire to hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. He betrayed and murdered your father.”

That is in the first act of the first film all by itself.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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The Jedi could have just as well been a secret society. Not many outsiders might have known about them in the first place. The whole galaxy police with a big temple on the galactic capital isn’t anywhere in the OT.

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Possessed said:

Take it to the invisible thread.

On topic, do you think most of the people in the Star Wars universe showered at morning or at night?

They don’t wash. They don’t even change their clothes for days and maybe weeks.

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Maybe they just have sonic showers like in Star Trek and it works on clothes too.

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Frank your Majesty said:

The Jedi could have just as well been a secret society. Not many outsiders might have known about them in the first place. The whole galaxy police with a big temple on the galactic capital isn’t anywhere in the OT.

It takes very little for a society to erase religion from the minds of the people. Sure, there will be loyal adherents, but if the government suppresses it and disenfranchises believers, then the majority of the people will come to accept the ideology and the faithful will remain alienated, even in a short time. See the USSR.

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After reviewing the relevant footage from the PT as well as the SE ROTJ victory celebration, I have come to the conclusion that George Lucas does not understand what dancing is.

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The only one who doesn’t seem to know about the Force is Luke, which makes sense seeing as how he lived out in the middle of nowhere and was probably heavily sheltered by Owen and Beru.

Luke is apparently somewhat familiar with the Jedi,though. He doesn’t bat an eye when Ben says he was once a Jedi. It’s only when Ben mentions the Force that Luke expresses a lack of knowledge.

The Rebellion obviously still holds the Jedi in high regard and even uses the phrase “May the Force be with you”. Even Imperials like Motti don’t actually deny the existence of the Force.

Han is a Doubting Thomas, but I don’t see anything unreasonable about that even with the prequels in mind. As others have said, it’s a big galaxy and it’s unlikely he ever saw a Jedi in action.

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Hello everyone.

There is a thing in the new Star Wars films that has changed compared to the original trilogy. I’ve already mentioned it somewhere in another topic, and I think I can talk about it again after watching the new trailer for episode 8.

In Episode 8, a ground attack of the Empire can be seen, like in Episode 5.
Even in the first pictures of Episode 7, I was enormously disturbed by the atmosphere flying TIE-Fighters and star-destroyers.

I have several technical manuals at home. So far, the TIE-Fighter has been a pure space ship, which has neither a suitable propulsion for the atmosphere, an ion drive only works in space, nor the repulsor lift required by this bad aerodynamic.

Furthermore, Star Destroyers of the Imperial class are not able to fly in atmosphere like a Venator for example. Thats why they are build in space. They only have ION-engines build for use in space. This was also apparent in Episode 5. There the Star Destroyers could not launch an Orbital Bombardment, since the Rebel Base had a shield. So ground troops had to be sent.

If the great Imperial class star destroyers were capable of atmospheric maneuvers, one would not need any ground troops. Likewise, in such an open terrain, heavy slow ground troops make little sense if thousands of cheap and fast-to-produce TIEs could attack from all directions. In Episode 5, no TIEs were sent to Hoth’s surface. With TIEs, the empire can instantly send an overpower into the battle. You would simply let some of the star destroyers circle a few kilometers above the enemy. From there, they could cover the whole area with laser fires and TIEs.

No body groups would be needed.

In the old triology, the imperial military was militarily logically structured.
Now it feels illogical. I’m keeping the TIE-Fighter out of the air.

Rogue One was more logical in this regard, because the TIE striker used there is
"specialized for in-atmosphere missions, the atmospheric fighter is identifiable by its horizontal high-speed wings and large central pod." And it has repulsorlifts.

That makes sense and shows that the TIE flying in atmosphere is wrong. Therefore i can not watch TIEs standing on there panels. I hate it because nothing that flies would be standing on this filligrane components.

I know that it is quite technically realistic what is going on in my mind and I know that it is only films, but the Technical Manuals do so if everything was real.

Whats your oppinion on this?

“LUKE… I’M SEEING HIM.
HE’S COMMANDING THE IMPERIAL FORCES… LIKE OUR FATHER!
I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”

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I imagine that the Tie fighters build 30 years after ROTJ wouldn’t be exactly the same as the imperial designs.

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Legends had TIEs in atmosphere 20 years ago. This isn’t new. And the policy has always been that supplemental materials like these tech manuals are only considered accurate until a movie contradicts them.

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Frank your Majesty said:

I imagine that the Tie fighters build 30 years after ROTJ wouldn’t be exactly the same as the imperial designs.

Hi there,

nope. I got the Technical Manual for Episode 7 and the First Order SF TIE-Fighter has no repulsorlift either.

“LUKE… I’M SEEING HIM.
HE’S COMMANDING THE IMPERIAL FORCES… LIKE OUR FATHER!
I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”

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joefavs said:

Legends had TIEs in atmosphere 20 years ago. This isn’t new. And the policy has always been that supplemental materials like these tech manuals are only considered accurate until a movie contradicts them.

well iknow, but my question is, do you like this change ore do you like it the old way?

“LUKE… I’M SEEING HIM.
HE’S COMMANDING THE IMPERIAL FORCES… LIKE OUR FATHER!
I FEAR WE LOST HIM, HAN… I FEAR WE LOST EVERYTHING.”

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The Dark Empire said:

Frank your Majesty said:

I imagine that the Tie fighters build 30 years after ROTJ wouldn’t be exactly the same as the imperial designs.

Hi there,

nope. I got the Technical Manual for Episode 7 and the First Order SF TIE-Fighter has no repulsorlift either.

Ok, in that case, I don’t care 😉

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