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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 102

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ZigZig said:

There is a French proverb that says “les goûts et les couleurs, ça ne se discute pas”…
(“tastes and colors cannot be argued”)

Well, I don’t agree with that, otherwise forums are useless ! But this forum (or a few members) is like Groundhog day

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TV’s Frink said:

I just cannot comprehend how someone can complain that R1 is the video game movie of the group and also claim to have watched both AOTC and ROTS.

Can you comprehend people like me that complain about both?

The Person in Question

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To complete my previous post, as Gary Kurtz said:

It’s very easy for the film critics to analyze why a film is popular or why a film is good, but in the long run, it’s very, very subjective. You get six people in a room, you’re going to get six different opinions about any film and they’re all right. There’s no wrong. […] If you enjoy what you’re seeing, and you get something out of it […] then it’s working for you.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2002/11/11/an-interview-with-gary-kurtz?page=4

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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moviefreakedmind said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just cannot comprehend how someone can complain that R1 is the video game movie of the group and also claim to have watched both AOTC and ROTS.

Can you comprehend people like me that complain about both?

Kinda.

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MalàStrana said:

Every time someone thinks ROTS is good, there is always the same guy/bunch of guys (like an Imperialscum mirror with TFA) who come to tell us how shitty ROTS is and how mad are some people to think it’s better than TFA/R1/whatever. Every single time.

There’s a difference between literally saying nothing except “ROTS is shit” and saying “ROTS is a bad movie and here’s why.”

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John Doom said:

But here’s the problem: generally neither you should think that, since you don’t like something, everyone should agree 100% with you and that you should dismiss the others’ opinions like they are fooling themselves.

Since I haven’t made myself clear, you are welcome to your opinion on ROTS and you don’t have to agree with me. I’m just baffled by people who like the PT and ROTS specifically. But since I don’t want to get into a debate about it being objectively bad vs. subjectively bad (which has been done in this thread many times already), I’ll just leave things there.

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ZigZig said:

Actually, this topic would be retitled as “Ranking the Star Wars films, but only in a single way where you cannot propose your own ranking if it differs from some very active members of OT”…

That’s ridiculous and if you bother to read through the thread you’ll see plenty of examples where that’s plainly not true.

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dahmage said:

I don’t play Battlefront, but why exactly does this remind your friend of that game? is it because the game has an overlapping plot? that this is a movie with an epic battle?

Battlefront is literally just large scale Star Wars battles, with the goal being to let the player immerse themselves in the Battle of Hoth, the Battle of Endor, etc.

So the more accurate thing to say would be that the battle at the end of Rogue One reminds them of the battles in ESB and ROTJ.

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TV’s Frink said:

John Doom said:

But here’s the problem: generally neither you should think that, since you don’t like something, everyone should agree 100% with you and that you should dismiss the others’ opinions like they are fooling themselves.

I don’t want to get into a debate about it being objectively bad vs. subjectively bad (which has been done in this thread many times already), I’ll just leave things there.

So your opinion is objective, mine is subjective…

You are allmighty Frink.

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ZigZig said:

TV’s Frink said:

John Doom said:

But here’s the problem: generally neither you should think that, since you don’t like something, everyone should agree 100% with you and that you should dismiss the others’ opinions like they are fooling themselves.

I don’t want to get into a debate about it being objectively bad vs. subjectively bad (which has been done in this thread many times already), I’ll just leave things there.

So your opinion is objective, mine is subjective…

You are allmighty Frink.

Dude, drop it

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ZigZig said:

TV’s Frink said:

John Doom said:

But here’s the problem: generally neither you should think that, since you don’t like something, everyone should agree 100% with you and that you should dismiss the others’ opinions like they are fooling themselves.

I don’t want to get into a debate about it being objectively bad vs. subjectively bad (which has been done in this thread many times already), I’ll just leave things there.

So your opinion is objective, mine is subjective…

Not remotely close to what I said.

You are allmighty Frink.

I am certainly not almighty, however I do know how to spell it.

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ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

When we can finally all agree on how much of a failure ROTS was, it will truly be a beautiful day.

Star Wars fans? Agree on something? Ha!

Can we all agree that we can’t wait to see The Last Jedi?!

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rodneyfaile said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Star Wars fans? Agree on something? Ha!

Can we all agree that we can’t wait to see The Last Jedi?!

…Nope, sorry! 😄

btw, out of curiosity, I calculated what are the most average ranks in this thread until page 43. These are the current results:

  1. TESB
  2. ANH
  3. ROTJ
  4. TFA
  5. ROTS
  6. TPM
  7. AOTC

The Original Trilogy’s Timeline Reconstruction: http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Implied-starting-date-of-the-Empire-from-OT-dialogue/post/786201/#TopicPost786201

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rodneyfaile said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

When we can finally all agree on how much of a failure ROTS was, it will truly be a beautiful day.

Star Wars fans? Agree on something? Ha!

Can we all agree that we can’t wait to see The Last Jedi?!

If I were someone that didn’t enjoy TFA or R1 at all, I don’t know why I’d be excited about TLJ.

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John Doom said:

btw, out of curiosity, I calculated what are the most average ranks in this thread until page 43. These are the current results:

  1. TESB
  2. ANH
  3. ROTJ
  4. TFA
  5. ROTS
  6. TPM
  7. AOTC

Without checking your math that sounds exactly right. I expect R1 would probably fall somewhere in the TFA/ROTS range.

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I didn’t? You read through every page?

  1. ANH
  2. ESB
  3. TFA
  4. R1
  5. ROTJ
  6. TPM
  7. ROTS
  8. AOTC

There’s a decent gap between 2 and 3. 3 through 5 are fairly close. Huge gaping maw between 5 and 6.

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rodneyfaile said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

When we can finally all agree on how much of a failure ROTS was, it will truly be a beautiful day.

Star Wars fans? Agree on something? Ha!

Can we all agree that we can’t wait to see The Last Jedi?!

I doubt I go see it.

TV’s Frink said:

rodneyfaile said:

ChainsawAsh said:

TV’s Frink said:

When we can finally all agree on how much of a failure ROTS was, it will truly be a beautiful day.

Star Wars fans? Agree on something? Ha!

Can we all agree that we can’t wait to see The Last Jedi?!

If I were someone that didn’t enjoy TFA… I don’t know why I’d be excited about TLJ.

Exactly.
(to clarify for the touchy ones, I got no problem with anybody who likes TFA and I hope TLJ is everything you hope for)

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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For the sake of it, here’s my original ranking quoted and my updated ranking from April.

yhwx said:

yhwx said:

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
    Everything is bigger and better. Plot and script are great. May be considered one of the best films of all time.
  2. Return of the Jedi
    The needed sequel to The Empire Strikes Back. You can’t have one without the other. I can tolerate some of the lower points of the film. Overall, a great end to the trilogy.
  3. The Force Awakens
    A modern film in all the good ways. I like the diverse cast, the script, and the plot. Rey is great. Edges out Star Wars for me.
  4. Star Wars
    A solid film. Not as good as the other ones, but still great. It is very important in that it introduces all the characters.
  5. The Phantom Menace
    A terrible, terrible film. Edges out the two other prequels because it’s at lease semi-entertaining in its badness. Also contains some questionably racist characters.
  6. Attack of the Clones
    Absolutely horrendous. Bad for the same reasons all the prequels are bad: A terrible script. The “romance” story is spectacularly bad.
  7. Revenge of the Sith
    Taken on its own, Revenge of the Sith may be the best of the prequels. However, it finds its place at the bottom of the list because it failed at what it was supposed to do: Tell the story of how the good man who was Anakin Skywalker turn to Darth Vader. The first two also failed at this, and the last one failing is just sad. If I removed this factor, I might have put Attack of the Clones here.

Updated ranking, which I am not completely satisfied with:

  1. The Empire Strikes Back
    This will always be the best Star Wars movie. Great plot, characters, and dialog.

  2. Star Wars
    I didn’t want to bump this one all the way down to the number five spot with my addition of Rogue One, so I bumped it up here.

  3. Return of the Jedi / The Force Awakens
    No extra thoughts.

  4. Rogue One
    I think I liked Rogue One more than the average Star Wars fan. A great plot with some standout characters make it a great film.

  5. The Phantom Menace
    At some points The Phantom Menace gets to the so bad it’s good point, so that at least makes it half-watchable, plus it doesn’t really have anything to do with the rest of the movies.

  6. Attack of the Clones
    Ugh.

  7. Revenge of the Sith
    No.

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I don’t see how ROTS is less watchable than AOTC.

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