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…and here’s a shot from the Tatooine sequence.
Bluray:
Bluray regraded:
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
Just to nitpick, haven’t we clarified that the blu-ray always looks much more purple and terrible once the frames have been processed in any way? I mean, they still have crappy blue-ish grading, and Dre’s is a million times better. But it doesn’t look as bad as the frame grabs often suggest.
I forget who finally worked this out. Williarob or Neverar maybe? It unfortunately gives a little bit of credit to the pro-SE/PT trolls who have claimed, in the past, that our comparisons exaggerate the BD’s flaws.
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
Just to nitpick, haven’t we clarified that the blu-ray always looks much more purple and terrible once the frames have been processed in any way? I mean, they still have crappy blue-ish grading, and Dre’s is a million times better. But it doesn’t look as bad as the frame grabs often suggest.
I forget who finally worked this out. Williarob or Neverar maybe? It unfortunately gives a little bit of credit to the pro-SE/PT trolls who have claimed, in the past, that our comparisons exaggerate the BD’s flaws.
good point.
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
Just to nitpick, haven’t we clarified that the blu-ray always looks much more purple and terrible once the frames have been processed in any way? I mean, they still have crappy blue-ish grading, and Dre’s is a million times better. But it doesn’t look as bad as the frame grabs often suggest.
I forget who finally worked this out. Williarob or Neverar maybe? It unfortunately gives a little bit of credit to the pro-SE/PT trolls who have claimed, in the past, that our comparisons exaggerate the BD’s flaws.
Gonna test your theory and pop in the blu ray tonight on the plasma, and find this frame of Owen and see how it looks.
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
Just to nitpick, haven’t we clarified that the blu-ray always looks much more purple and terrible once the frames have been processed in any way? I mean, they still have crappy blue-ish grading, and Dre’s is a million times better. But it doesn’t look as bad as the frame grabs often suggest.
I forget who finally worked this out. Williarob or Neverar maybe? It unfortunately gives a little bit of credit to the pro-SE/PT trolls who have claimed, in the past, that our comparisons exaggerate the BD’s flaws.
It was an issue that I noticed when exporting video from Premiere, and again when uploading to youtube or vimeo. I think it has to do with Rec 601 vs Rec 709 decoding confusion. But if you just pulled the video into any video editor, did a frame grab from that program (or just frame grabbed from VLC), and uploaded it as a still image, then it should be an accurate representation. The blu-ray really is that purple.
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
Just to nitpick, haven’t we clarified that the blu-ray always looks much more purple and terrible once the frames have been processed in any way? I mean, they still have crappy blue-ish grading, and Dre’s is a million times better. But it doesn’t look as bad as the frame grabs often suggest.
I forget who finally worked this out. Williarob or Neverar maybe? It unfortunately gives a little bit of credit to the pro-SE/PT trolls who have claimed, in the past, that our comparisons exaggerate the BD’s flaws.
Gonna test your theory and pop in the blu ray tonight on the plasma, and find this frame of Owen and see how it looks.
Thank you for your sacrifice for the greater good. I am curious.
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Bluray:
Plasma TV
Interesting! It’s NOT quite as bad. You can tell there’s purple there but it’s not so in your face… I did my best get the Android’s photo colors and contrast as close to what I was seeing with my eye as I could. The jawa cloaks aren’t as red as the photo.
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Well, if you think about it, a white shirt looks white under any light to your eyes, but to a camera it’ll have an orange or green or blue cast, depending on the light. These comparisons work the same way. Our eyes automatically white balance themselves, so unless you have something to compare it with, even the Blu-rays will look decent on your TV.
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Here’s another shot, that shows the massive differences between the bluray and the 4k77 technicolor grading.
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Here’s a set of technicolor regrades for the Tantive sequence. I might reduce the technicolor green cast, and improve the balance between shots for the final release.
Here’s how those same shots appear on NeverarGreat’s amazing regrade:
Here’s a direct comparison:
http://www.framecompare.com/image-compare/screenshotcomparison/9FMNNN8U
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Dre, when you look at your grades side-by-side with Neverar’s, how would you summarise the difference in your words?
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I suppose I would call mine a bit more quirky, keeping more of the imperfections in the original color timing. For example in every print scan I’ve seen the colors of the latter part of the Tantive IV sequence is cooler than the earlier part. This is the case even for 1997 SE prints. I would say my color grading overall is a bit warmer, and yellowish than Neverar’s.
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For those interested in why I opted to introduce more yellow in my regrade, I was inspired mostly by this color accurate photograph of a technicolor print screening by Mike Verta:
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It would be interesting to know, if the yellowish colors of the technicolor print are a side effect of the technicolor green cast, or if the original color timing is indeed more yellow than the home video transfers would have us believe.
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As some of you may have read in his thread, if all goes well funding wise, poita will be scanning the 35mm prints of the 1997 SE trilogy. These scans will include a LUT, such that the colors match a projected print. If the colors are as great as I hope they will be, I will be using these scans to color correct the entire bluray trilogy to match these 1997 prints. This will be a nice complementary color grading to NeverarGreat’s technicolor regrade for ANH.
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As some of you may have read in his thread, if all goes well funding wise, poita will be scanning the 35mm prints of the 1997 SE trilogy. These scans will include a LUT, such that the colors match a projected print. If the colors are as great as I hope they will be, I will be using these scans to color correct the entire bluray trilogy to match these 1997 prints. This will be a nice complementary color grading to NeverarGreat’s technicolor regrade for ANH.
Exciting news Dre!
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oh man, that bluray looks so terrible, and your regrades so wonderful!
Just to nitpick, haven’t we clarified that the blu-ray always looks much more purple and terrible once the frames have been processed in any way? I mean, they still have crappy blue-ish grading, and Dre’s is a million times better. But it doesn’t look as bad as the frame grabs often suggest.
I forget who finally worked this out. Williarob or Neverar maybe? It unfortunately gives a little bit of credit to the pro-SE/PT trolls who have claimed, in the past, that our comparisons exaggerate the BD’s flaws.
It was an issue that I noticed when exporting video from Premiere, and again when uploading to youtube or vimeo. I think it has to do with Rec 601 vs Rec 709 decoding confusion. But if you just pulled the video into any video editor, did a frame grab from that program (or just frame grabbed from VLC), and uploaded it as a still image, then it should be an accurate representation. The blu-ray really is that purple.
I’m sorry to bang on about this again, as anyone that puts up with my rants will know that I have been on about this before, but it is corect that if you pull a frame from the Blu-ray, and compress it and upload it and view it on a PC, then the colour will be way, way different to how it looks on a television.
Leaving out the problem that most people do not calibrate their computer monitors at all, the colourspace of the Blu-ray or DVD and your television is completely different to the colourspace on your computer monitor/graphics card combination.
Also, different browsers and playback software can even display colours differently, some programs use the ICC profile incorrectly or not at all, which gives even greater differences.
This is why we use a broadcast monitor (or calibrated television) hooked up to a dedicated Broadcast output card when colour correcting, as what you see on your PC screen has little correlation colour-wise to how it looks on a television.
The only way to properly judge the colour of a BD, or the results of a colour correction is to encode and play it back on a TV or via an output card to a TV (such as a Blackmagic card).
An output card bypasses the ICC profiles and drivers of your OS, and delivers the correct colourpace file directly to a TV or broadcast monitor that uses the matching colourspace, gamma etc.
Then of course you also need to have calibrated the TV to ensure the colour looks as it should, before being able to judge the colour accurately.
If you rip some frames from a Blu-ray, import them into a video editor with the correct colourspace settings and then output them with the correct LUT to convert it to the colourspace, gamma etc. being used on your PC then you get in the ballpark, but again, the software you then use to view it will often screw up the colours anyway.
If you want to judge the BD colours, calibrate your TV and watch it on a decent BD player, or via a broadcast output card to your television. Everything else is pretty much a crapshoot when it comes to colour.
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Page 572 of the Resolve 12.5 manual sums it up pretty well.
http://documents.blackmagicdesign.com/DaVinciResolve/20170302-d3e39a/DaVinci_Resolve_12_Reference_Manual.pdf
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I wasn’t trying to imply that the Star Wars Blu-ray looks the same on a monitor as on a TV (or for that matter that a Blu-ray is directly comparable to film), my point was that there’s a known software problem that makes certain programs misinterpret the Blu-ray colors, and that if you avoid this issue you can get frames from the Blu-ray looking consistent to each other, even if they’re not comparable to TV broadcast. VLC in my experience manages to not screw up colors too badly, so it’s a workable way for most people to export the frames.
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Ah, exporting frames is a whole other bag.
Pulling frames is part of the problem.
This is further exacerbated by then viewing the pulled frames in any given program, where the colour can look different yet again.
One way to avoid the problem is to use software that takes it into account properly, Davinci Resolve is free and works well for this and is properly colour managed.
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At the risk of derailment, what would you suggest as the best way to convert a blu-ray to one of Resolve’s accepted video formats?
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…and here’s a shot from the Tatooine sequence.
Bluray:
Bluray regraded:
I thought it was an interesting shot… I had a go myself now ignore the change of contrast outside the image I did not bother to crop it. But I think there are a number of ways to handle horrible hues. I always do this (now) from the HSV section of the color correction in the Bias and decrease saturation. It works differently to normal or standard saturation and thins out the hues… Then I color correct out what is left and even re-saturate the image using normal saturation.
Not sure it is of much help for you developing your color match tools or algorithms but for what it is worth I just wanted to share a different way of approaching this problem.
The Bias saturation does a great job of eliminating horrible hues especially in highlights and also without in this instance having to push green / yellow too much to get rid of the magenta.
Not trying to say one is better or worse just different techniques I guess. I did not do this either to get praise but I wanted to show you how I approach this problem that was all. It’s an interesting shot for all the nasty hues in there for sure.
I probably need to drop value here somewhere also in the mid range but it was only for the purpose of eliminating nasty hues really. one contrast color needs changing blue contrast by the looks of it too.
Interesting about PC decoding colors too!
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Here’s an update of the earlier Tantive IV regrades:
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Fantastic work DrDre!
Assimilate THIS!