STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI "REVISITED EDITION"ADYWAN - ** PRODUCTION HAS NOW RESTARTED ** — Page 12

doubleofive said:

I don’t get the complaints about Vader being forced to call Palpatine his master at all times. He’s been beat down for 25 years at this point from a man who literally gave him his life back.

Totally agree. Vader is clearly under the thumb of the Emperor. He would kill him if he could, but he is so weak has no free will when it comes to him.
That is the reason he never tried to kill him, which suppose to be the Sith way after all.

SilverWook said:

How would Palpatine know what Vader said to Luke at Cloud City? He might sense a change in Vader post Bespin, but not necessarily a I want to kill you and rule the galaxy with my kid vibe.

Doesn’t have to.
Surely Palpatine always knew that his apprentice wants to kill him, once he feels he is strong enough to do it. He is a Sith afterall, who went through the same thing. And succeded.
(I know disney deleted the EU with “one swift stroke”, still it is something that works, and Lucas adopted this “always 2” rule in the PT)

doubleofive said:

And we don’t know what kind of punishment he got between movies for thinking like that.

I like the effect. It shows Vader dropping his guard and proving to the Emperor that Vader has become a dangerous liability and not just old and weak. You also get a sense of his evil courtiers and Vader being part of constantly bickering clique only held together by Palpatine’s bloated ego. Any one of them could be a Snoke but he has them all tethered and resentful. Such is politics 😆

ray_afraid said:

doubleofive said:

I don’t get the complaints about Vader being forced to call Palpatine his master at all times. He’s been beat down for 25 years at this point from a man who literally gave him his life back. Of course he’s going to kiss up to him.

I agree, but it is excessive in at least one scene. Ady has already agreed that it will be changed.

When did he say that?

FVDnz said:

Looking at when Luke swings his lightsaber around just doesn’t seem like the Jedi way to me. Maybe if he acted more in a defensive stance rather than acting all aggressive, but how could you even change something like that? Use a body double?! And also does it appear as if his saber is too long in certain shots?

I feel his fighting style at that point was more in the vein of Windu’s aggressive fighting form so i don’t mind it. What I do mind is how inconsistent his lightsaber is from shot to shot. Its too blown out, too thicc, the swing blur doesn’t exist and when it does, it doesn’t look right. Three rereleases and they still haven’t fixed it. Its one of the things i look forward to the most with Adywan’s edit.

Why would a Vader/Fett little chat be of any use ? I mean, does Fett try to keep Luke alive at any point in the movie ? The idea sounds cool but nothing in the actual movie would be consistent with it.

doubleofive said:

I wonder when Ady can come in and say that he’s certainly not adding MORE Boba Fett to the movie.

I’ve been looking forward to people listing the little things that ate at them for years. Like a moving blaster hole or scuff mark, or like someone just pointed out, the fact that Luke’s lightsaber expands in size randomly.

What about the Blu-ray changes? Ady kept the sparks in the Cloud City junk room. Will he keep the new unthawing animation? What about R2’s extra gizmos that pop out when he’s shot? WHAT ABOUT JABBA’S PALACE DOOR THAT’S NOW 3 TIMES BIGGER ON THE OUTSIDE THAN THE INSIDE?

I’m definitely curious about the door. I could go either way with the R2 gizmos (I’m a purist by default, but it does seem like a normal SE type thing - though I assume it is in someway problematic/contradictory).

I would certainly prefer if the dug thing was absent from the steps, though. Any word on that one? I’m also curious about the Ewok eyes. One of the fan editors here made an okay case for the blinking in that their benefit isn’t making the Ewoks seem more realistic or less like inanimate teddy bears (they don’t), but in making them look more horrifying and nightmareish. I can buy that. But still curious.

doubleofive said:

towne32 said:

I would certainly prefer if the dug thing was absent from the steps, though. Any word on that one?

I didn’t even bring the Dug up because it doesn’t make any sense in a shot that’s supposed to show that EVERYONE is asleep.

Another thing, I wonder if Ady can get rid of the audio of Greedo from ANH from Jabba’s Throne Room.

I assume the logic in adding the dug was “oh what a nice clean shot to add things to with so much open space!”

Someone here also made a good case for a lot of the 2011 changes seeming so random because newly added foreground elements are things that could easily be made to pop in the planned 3D releases. New ESB sparks, the dug thing, a crazy ass door, R2’s rocks, maybe Han’s thawing effect?

doubleofive said:

towne32 said:

Someone here also made a good case for a lot of the 2011 changes seeming so random because newly added foreground elements are things that could easily be made to pop in the planned 3D releases. New ESB sparks, the dug thing, a crazy ass door, R2’s rocks, maybe Han’s thawing effect?

I know, I’m pretty great.

It makes sense that it was you! Now I can name you next time I describe this theory, at least until I forget again.

MalàStrana said:

Why would a Vader/Fett little chat be of any use ? I mean, does Fett try to keep Luke alive at any point in the movie ? The idea sounds cool but nothing in the actual movie would be consistent with it.

He wraps him up with his arm cord thingy rather than just shoot him at one point on the skiff battle.

jarbear said:

Now thinking more about it, I do say completely ax out boba fett from the movie.

Instead, there could be an extra character added that could be an imperial spy. Kind of like in The Force Awakens you had a resistance spy and an imperial spy …

Anyway, it shows a guy sneaking off the hallway, maybe after Luke kills the rancor. He could be in a cloak, or looks like some kind of bounty hunter or something. He Takes out a communicator and says “Inform Lord Vader Skywalker is here.”

If there needs to be more added about this concept: After holo escapes, the video screen can be used with an officer reporting to Vader that explains that troops found the Palace empty and rumors/reports that Jabba was killed and Skywalker escaped. Vader can be silent … or just choke the guy … whatever is needed.

It adds a good connection for the first part of the movie with the rest. It also goes with the scene with the emperor commenting about Vader’s search for Luke and telling him to just wait for Luke to come to him.

Even better: at each point of the movie where Luke leaves a place Ady should add an Imperial spy who reports to Vader that Luke is here and later to inform him that Luke has left. At Jabba’s palace (“ok then, Lord Vader, he’s gone, and Jabba is dead”), in Dagobah (“well, Lord Vader, he’s gone and Yoda is dead”), in the Rebel Fleet (“Lord Vader, bad news, he’s gone, and a space mexican guy is co-piloting the Falcon now”), on Endor (“he’s… oh! okay, he’s just surrendered himself. My job here is done”), on the Death Star (“Vader is gone, the Emperor is dead, and Luke is leaving again. Damned !”). The same character can also be added to TFA:R.

You obviously don’t know RLM.

MalàStrana said:

jarbear said:

Now thinking more about it, I do say completely ax out boba fett from the movie.

Instead, there could be an extra character added that could be an imperial spy. Kind of like in The Force Awakens you had a resistance spy and an imperial spy …

Anyway, it shows a guy sneaking off the hallway, maybe after Luke kills the rancor. He could be in a cloak, or looks like some kind of bounty hunter or something. He Takes out a communicator and says “Inform Lord Vader Skywalker is here.”

If there needs to be more added about this concept: After holo escapes, the video screen can be used with an officer reporting to Vader that explains that troops found the Palace empty and rumors/reports that Jabba was killed and Skywalker escaped. Vader can be silent … or just choke the guy … whatever is needed.

It adds a good connection for the first part of the movie with the rest. It also goes with the scene with the emperor commenting about Vader’s search for Luke and telling him to just wait for Luke to come to him.

Even better: at each point of the movie where Luke leaves a place Ady should add an Imperial spy who reports to Vader that Luke is here and later to inform him that Luke has left. At Jabba’s palace (“ok then, Lord Vader, he’s gone, and Jabba is dead”), in Dagobah (“well, Lord Vader, he’s gone and Yoda is dead”), in the Rebel Fleet (“Lord Vader, bad news, he’s gone, and a space mexican guy is co-piloting the Falcon now”), on Endor (“he’s… oh! okay, he’s just surrendered himself. My job here is done”), on the Death Star (“Vader is gone, the Emperor is dead, and Luke is leaving again. Damned !”). The same character can also be added to TFA:R.

Instead, let’s just have the annoying hovering search droid from Mos Eisley SE constantly buzzing behind Luke’s head, keeping out of his sight.

doubleofive said:

towne32 said:

I would certainly prefer if the dug thing was absent from the steps, though. Any word on that one?

I didn’t even bring the Dug up because it doesn’t make any sense in a shot that’s supposed to show that EVERYONE is asleep.

Very true

doubleofive said:
Another thing, I wonder if Ady can get rid of the audio of Greedo from ANH from Jabba’s Throne Room.

Would be a shame if that had to stay. Always bothered me.

MalàStrana said:

jarbear said:

Now thinking more about it, I do say completely ax out boba fett from the movie.

Instead, there could be an extra character added that could be an imperial spy. Kind of like in The Force Awakens you had a resistance spy and an imperial spy …

Anyway, it shows a guy sneaking off the hallway, maybe after Luke kills the rancor. He could be in a cloak, or looks like some kind of bounty hunter or something. He Takes out a communicator and says “Inform Lord Vader Skywalker is here.”

If there needs to be more added about this concept: After holo escapes, the video screen can be used with an officer reporting to Vader that explains that troops found the Palace empty and rumors/reports that Jabba was killed and Skywalker escaped. Vader can be silent … or just choke the guy … whatever is needed.

It adds a good connection for the first part of the movie with the rest. It also goes with the scene with the emperor commenting about Vader’s search for Luke and telling him to just wait for Luke to come to him.

Even better: at each point of the movie where Luke leaves a place Ady should add an Imperial spy who reports to Vader that Luke is here and later to inform him that Luke has left. At Jabba’s palace (“ok then, Lord Vader, he’s gone, and Jabba is dead”), in Dagobah (“well, Lord Vader, he’s gone and Yoda is dead”), in the Rebel Fleet (“Lord Vader, bad news, he’s gone, and a space mexican guy is co-piloting the Falcon now”), on Endor (“he’s… oh! okay, he’s just surrendered himself. My job here is done”), on the Death Star (“Vader is gone, the Emperor is dead, and Luke is leaving again. Damned !”). The same character can also be added to TFA:R.

LMAO 😄