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flametitan said:

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If it’s a PC game I don’t understand why it would even need an upscale filter why can’t they just slightly modify it to actually render in a high res resolution? I mean if freeware super Nintendo emulators can do it…

With sprites, you can’t add detail that wasn’t there to begin with when projecting at a higher resolution. The Super Nintendo (assuming SNES) emulator’s tools for HD display are filters to smooth it out based on guesswork. In order to truly display a Sprite based game in HD, you need HD Sprites, which is why StarCraft: Remastered was made.

Yeah, but there’s a difference between having each sprite individually filtered and upscaled than just a blanket filter applied to the whole image.

Er… I’ve never heard of an emulator doing that. My experience has been that emulators use blanket filters too.

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I might be mixing in how Nintendo 64 emulators do it vs snes. Makes sense since the N64 has actual models and stuff. Textures and all that. Although snes9x has some very good filters that remove almost all pixelation without ruining the look of the game even on a huge screen.

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Possessed said:

I might be mixing in how Nintendo 64 emulators do it vs snes. Makes sense since the N64 has actual models and stuff. Textures and all that. Although snes9x has some very good filters that remove almost all pixelation without ruining the look of the game even on a huge screen.

Oh yeah, 3d Models upscale much more easily; leaving you with the texture files to be rescaled or modded out.

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No More Heroes 3 single handedly stopped me from selling my Switch. Well done.

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Looked at my backlog and realized I never played my copy of Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD Remix.

So back to the PS3 and started playing Kingdom Hearts II, especially in preparation for the upcoming KH3.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Game systems that originally rendered in 240p resolution (ie, everything Nintendo 64 and earlier) should always be viewed on a CRT display if at all possible, or with something that mimics what a CRT does to the image. It’s the only way for it to look right, and to see what the game designers would have actually seen at the time the game was made. Anything else–whether it be horrid blocky pixelation, or destructive smearing filters–just looks wrong and ruins the intended presentation.

The CRT effect preserves all the resolution the game produces while smoothing pixelation in a way that our eyes naturally respond to. Blocky edges are rounded out very nicely, and the visible ‘scan lines’ (which are actually blank space in between the lines of resolution, and appear due to the nature of the 240p signal) break up the harshness of the pixelation, tricking our brains into seeing a more detailed image than what is actually shown. In a way it’s similar to how film grain can trick us into thinking we see a sharper image than we really do–even though it’s an illusion, it is one that fits very well with our perception. In contrast with this analog goodness, digital displays are very unforgiving and show only the harshness of the raw image, ruining the illusion the low resolution art is trying to create unless it can be brought back as a post-processing effect.

Just recently I took the plunge and ordered the XRGB-Mini Framemeister upscaler, which excels at turning 240p signals into HD resolutions and can add convincing scan lines as well. The experience of playing classic games through this unit (using S-video, component, or RGB connections) far exceeds the results typically experienced by plugging an old console straight into an HDTV. Almost entirely without fail, modern TV’s misinterpret the 240p signal as 480i, applying unnecessary deinterlacing and ruining image detail, as well as adding a significant amount of input lag. The result is thoroughly unsatisfying, and nothing at all like the original experience. The Framemeister brilliantly restores the image quality and playability of classic games on modern displays, and I’m thrilled to have it. Last year I did pull my old CRT out of the closet and I’ve played a bunch of old games on it since then, and nothing can really beat the experience of using the real thing (that analog ‘glow’ it imparts on the image cannot be entirely replicated by any digital display, although CRT shaders are becoming quite nice), but since CRT’s are no longer made, I like having the ability to use my old systems on newer TV’s as well.

A couple years ago I spent a lot of time messing around with emulators, but lately I haven’t been all that interested in them. With some systems, like the SNES, it has become good enough that I don’t mind it, but others like the Nintendo 64 continue to be unsatisfying. I became very frustrated with the ubiquitous graphics glitches and inaccuracies, the near-constant need to mess with settings, and my progress being hampered by crashes. Once I got my controller fixed and started using the real N64 again, the experience was so much more satisfying that I never intend to go back to emulation if I can help it. Playing on a console is just better than doing it on a computer; it feels more ‘real’ somehow, and in the near future I want to get an Everdrive so I can play a wider selection of games than I’ve been able to find actual copies of.

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Not if you’ve got a good texture pack. After playing both N64 Zelda games in 1080p on a massive screen with all textures replaced by high resolution textures but in the same art style I couldn’t imagine playing them any other way ever again. I mean if you just want it to look like it did in 1998 but bigger then yes you are correct, but internal upscaling by emulators (for N64 it’s not even really upscaling it’s just actually generating at a higher resolution so no pixelation or blocks) has gotten very good, but with the texture packs like I said they don’t even have to do that because the textures are hd anyway.

On my display snes games look best with 2xsai applied. No it’s not faithful and it does to a small degree change the look of the games, but it doesn’t change the feel of how they look and on a screen the size of a wall it provides the best overall experience in my opinion, faithful or not.

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chyron8472 said:

Looked at my backlog and realized I never played my copy of Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD Remix.

So back to the PS3 and started playing Kingdom Hearts II, especially in preparation for the upcoming KH3.

You really didn’t need to post the cover. If I had a PS2 and PS3, I’d finally play Red Dead Redemption, complete Red Dead Revolver, Uncharted Trilogy, and some Yakuza. No JRPGs and especially not Kingdom Hearts nor Persona.

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Not if you’ve got a good texture pack. After playing both N64 Zelda games in 1080p on a massive screen with all textures replaced by high resolution textures but in the same art style I couldn’t imagine playing them any other way ever again. I mean if you just want it to look like it did in 1998 but bigger then yes you are correct, but internal upscaling by emulators (for N64 it’s not even really upscaling it’s just actually generating at a higher resolution so no pixelation or blocks) has gotten very good, but with the texture packs like I said they don’t even have to do that because the textures are hd anyway.

On my display snes games look best with 2xsai applied. No it’s not faithful and it does to a small degree change the look of the games, but it doesn’t change the feel of how they look and on a screen the size of a wall it provides the best overall experience in my opinion, faithful or not.

To me texture repacks are fine as long as they follow the original game. I can’t stand filters with emulators. Give me pillarboxed 1080p OAR with zero filters applied.

Replaying Assassin’s Creed III, IV: Black Flag, and EMPIRE: Total War largely in part of the History class required for my General Education requirement I’m taking this semester. (US History to 1865.) Is pretty cool and was even playing Napoleon: Total War with it. Bit of Civilization I-V too. Don’t have VI yet.

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I played Assassin’s Creed 1, and the 2 trilogy. But I have to say, I’m sick of the formula. Every AC game feels exactly like every other AC game, with the apparent exception of the ship-sailing/combat parts of AC4. At this point, there are just better open-world games than AC.

I like JRPGs. I’ve never played Persona (nor do I care to), but I loved Final Fantasy 7/8/9, Dragon Quest 8, Tales of Symphonia/Abyss, Kingdom Hearts, and Ni No Kuni. However, there are several JRPGs I’ve tried getting into but just can’t. Persona is like a JRPG mixed in with a crazy creepy angsty modern anime, so no thank you. I’m not into anime.

I definitely recommend Red Dead and Uncharted, though. Fantastic games.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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I like RetroUSB’s AVS system. It’s awesome for playing real carts of NES & FAMICOM in 720p HD. It’s FPGA, which emulates the original NES Hardware. You can also connect the Famicom Disk System too. It’s a ‘cheaper’ alternative, than getting the Hi-Def NES upgrade on your still functional original NES. However, it can’t play Zapper games, since it only has an HDMI output.

If you have 500 bones, you can buy the Analogue NT mini, which can play Zapper games, due to having all the different outputs.

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RayRogers said:

chyron8472 said:

Looked at my backlog and realized I never played my copy of Kingdom Hearts 2.5 HD Remix.

So back to the PS3 and started playing Kingdom Hearts II, especially in preparation for the upcoming KH3.

You really didn’t need to post the cover. If I had a PS2 and PS3, I’d finally play Red Dead Redemption, complete Red Dead Revolver, Uncharted Trilogy, and some Yakuza. No JRPGs and especially not Kingdom Hearts nor Persona.

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Not if you’ve got a good texture pack. After playing both N64 Zelda games in 1080p on a massive screen with all textures replaced by high resolution textures but in the same art style I couldn’t imagine playing them any other way ever again. I mean if you just want it to look like it did in 1998 but bigger then yes you are correct, but internal upscaling by emulators (for N64 it’s not even really upscaling it’s just actually generating at a higher resolution so no pixelation or blocks) has gotten very good, but with the texture packs like I said they don’t even have to do that because the textures are hd anyway.

On my display snes games look best with 2xsai applied. No it’s not faithful and it does to a small degree change the look of the games, but it doesn’t change the feel of how they look and on a screen the size of a wall it provides the best overall experience in my opinion, faithful or not.

To me texture repacks are fine as long as they follow the original game. I can’t stand filters with emulators. Give me pillarboxed 1080p OAR with zero filters applied.

Replaying Assassin’s Creed III, IV: Black Flag, and EMPIRE: Total War largely in part of the History class required for my General Education requirement I’m taking this semester. (US History to 1865.) Is pretty cool and was even playing Napoleon: Total War with it. Bit of Civilization I-V too. Don’t have VI yet.

There’s some really good Zelda ones that are very faithful to how the game originally looked, just in high res so there’s actually fine detail.

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Could I just point it out I’ve got the SECOND post on this 13+ year old thread?

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So this thread is going to get locked?

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Not if you’ve got a good texture pack. After playing both N64 Zelda games in 1080p on a massive screen with all textures replaced by high resolution textures but in the same art style I couldn’t imagine playing them any other way ever again.

Is there a complete HD texture pack for OOT? I know we’ve talked about this before, but I don’t remember if there’s a 100% complete set yet.
I’ve played through using an HD pack, but some backgrounds (the entrance to castle town stands out) were still the original elements and really threw me out of the experience.

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ray_afraid said:

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Not if you’ve got a good texture pack. After playing both N64 Zelda games in 1080p on a massive screen with all textures replaced by high resolution textures but in the same art style I couldn’t imagine playing them any other way ever again.

Is there a complete HD texture pack for OOT? I know we’ve talked about this before, but I don’t remember if there’s a 100% complete set yet.
I’ve played through using an HD pack, but some backgrounds (the entrance to castle town stands out) were still the original elements and really threw me out of the experience.

I don’t think there’s one that has all the little background entrance things done but just those being missing never really bothered me because there was always a disconnect there in my mind anyway.

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I don’t know why, but I feel odd playing first-party Nintendo games on a platform that’s not a Nintendo console. The fact that my Wii can run Homebrew hacks and ROMs makes me happy because playing Zelda on my PC with a 360 controller is just weird.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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TV’s Frink said:

Am I really the only one here playing Star Wars Galaxy of Heroes?

I just started playing. Is it still just you? Do you still play 4 months later?

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chyron8472 said:

I don’t know why, but I feel odd playing first-party Nintendo games on a platform that’s not a Nintendo console. The fact that my Wii can run Homebrew hacks and ROMs makes me happy because playing Zelda on my PC with a 360 controller is just weird.

Isn’t for me. Been using Dolphin for a very long time. Especially for METROID: Prime 1 & 2. No way will I ever play Other M. The Wind Waker and that other random one is fine though through emulation. But I play a shedload of PC games anyway.
Starfox 2 is great.

Still waiting for SAINTS ROW V (I know about Agents of Mayhem), S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2, and an enhanced remake of The Witcher 1 using the PC version of The Witcher III’s engine (Too many NPCs look like clones and this isn’t a science fiction game either).

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The nintendo 64 zelda games on a pc with a ps3 controller is fantastic. And all super nintendo games on a pc with a ps3 controller are all fine too since the ps3 controller is basically a snes controller in layout with handles and analog sticks, and L2 and R2.

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RayRogers said:

chyron8472 said:

I don’t know why, but I feel odd playing first-party Nintendo games on a platform that’s not a Nintendo console. The fact that my Wii can run Homebrew hacks and ROMs makes me happy because playing Zelda on my PC with a 360 controller is just weird.

Been using Dolphin for a very long time. Especially for METROID: Prime 1 & 2.

Whereas I have Metroid Prime 1 & 2 for GCN and Trilogy for Wii. I did however rip all of my games to USBLoaderGX+Devolution so I can play without the disc.

No way will I ever play Other M.

I… don’t know what game you’re talking about.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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He’s probably talking about that fucking bitch Doctor M.

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He’s probably talking about that fucking bitch Doctor M.

Dr. Mario?

…but seriously, my headcanon refuses to include Other M as an actual Metroid game that exists. Nor did I have any hope for the future of the franchise after Sakamoto accused the gaming community of not liking it simply because it starred a female character.

http://www.nintendolife.com/forums/wii/sakamoto_metroid_other_m_failed_because_players_were_reluctant_to_accept_a_female_character

Now, whether Sakamoto actually said that or not (at the time, I thought so, but some people think the original article about it was satire)–Other M’s flaws were still all Sakamoto’s fault, in a George-Lucas sort of way.

https://lparchive.org/Metroid-Other-M/Interview 1/

TV’s Frink said:

chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.