I know this won’t be considered but here goes nothing, suggestions are open
Edit the crawl to indicate there is a new death star and the emporer is overseeing the completion of DS2 Luke is training on dagobah, and the rebel alliance is assembling to attack the empire . Leia unable to contact Luke and needing to return to the alliance go forward with their dangerous plan to rescue solo from jabba.
Cut vader arrival
Cut Droid entrance and any instance of them at jabbas. Recolor 3p0 if he has to be present and cut his dialogue.
Move the Emporer arrival to the 1st scene.
Move Lapti Nek to second (old school version with different more appropriate music.
Add subtitles explaining that jabba found out about coded transmissions came from Oolas room last night,she argues, cut to a shot of Lando indicating it was him. he called from her room wink wink… she’s rancor food
Continuing with The Boshh interaction with the Han solo in Carbonite reveal added in front cut Droid scene somewhere.
Cut to luke/vader/lightsaber construction. Matte out 3p0 in cave entrance to be dagobah, then Yoda death
Add obwan would have told you if I let him line.
Cut Ben scene for use later
Insert/create luke feels Leia in trouble by his x wing/luke flying out of dagobah/luke talking to 3p0 on comlink, hasnt herd from lando chewie or the princess in days.
Luke entrance, Cgi a lightsaber on him, when he falls it falls off. He can’t find it. He runs in the other room, when he finally sees it rancor steps on it so he throws the rock continue to the sarlacc
Sarlacc old school no beak. Lando is now wearing the lights aber on his belt that’s where he gets it not r2 it continues normally but right when boba fett lands a Lazer blast knocks him off and he rolls into the sarlacc pit. Blow up the sail barge and make it to the alliance, luke doesn’t need to be late.
That’s part one.
Thanks for playing.
My fan edit ideas
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-Sith-Revenge-of-the-Jedi-by-marduk666/id/17356
I suggested that Wookies be part of the rebel task force sent down to the planet so they do get some presence in the final battle. I don’t mind Ewoks if they are treated as a culture that makes sense instead of sometimes cute things to sell toys.
I did a mockup of Wookies at the rebel briefing on the wishlist thread but I can’t find the image anymore 😦
JEDIT (found it)
Replacing Ewoks with Wookiees is impossible, but adding more to the taskforce might be doable :
I remember an early suggestion for ROTJ:R being that to sell the size of the new Death Star by not having it be the first image you see, but rather something built up to, by first showing Vader’s Star Destroyer which then gets a shadow over it, cutting to the reveal of the Death Star dwarfing the ship in scope.
This was posted long before Star Wars went to Disney, so Rogue One hadn’t done a similar idea yet. The idea could still be used here, and using Vader’s ship could make it unique.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
I did a mock up of that too.
Google used to be good for finding these but since the forum migrated it’s confused the system I think.
I’ve always thought it strange that in an Empire with “a lot of command ships,” Vader only uses an Imperator-class star destroyer while the Emperor commandeered the Executor. Based on the above idea of having Vader arrive in the Executor, I thought it would be fun if the Emperor arrived in the Eclipse from the old EU. Of course this would present some story problems, such as where it went after dropping him off at the Death Star, or if it sticks around, based on existing footage, how would the Rebels destroy it and the Executor? Probably not a realistic addition, but a fun thought.
Seems like no one actually read the whole thing I wrote. I talked about reducing the impact Ewoks cause, I do realize cutting or replacing them entirely would be near impossible at best.
Adyone already said he would be removing slapstick Ewok moments, I was just suggesting restoring some of the deleted bunker scenes and removing even more in a tasteful manner.
Either way,
Ewoks … They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys.
Wrong. It’s an urban legend. Absolutely nothing to do with kids and toys.
They only exist because Chewbacca got a main role, therefore they could not be Wookies anymore, as they were in early drafts.
Since it is impossible to replace Ewoks with Wookies, getting rid of Ewoks is getting rid of Star Wars, as they were always part of it, from the very first draft.You do realize you are contradicting yourself… First you say it was Wookies in the early drafts, then you say Ewoks was part of it from the very first draft. And it is not an urban legend. George Lucas always had this mindset of adding slapstick moments and adding characters that would (in his opinion) appeal kids and make good toys. Just look at Gungans and Jar Jar, whole reason they exist is the same as well. One could argue, getting rid of them getting rid of Star Wars as they WERE a part of it from the very first draft. But we both know no one, including myself, would agree to that. (in this case, it is actually true, they were in the first draft and your argument is invalid)
No I don’t.
You don’t understand. The Ewoks are the Wookiees. Just got smaller, and got renamed.
Pretty sure that some journalist, who hated the Ewoks came up with this selling toys crap, and people who hate the Ewoks want to believe it, because it is convinient, and allows them to easily rationalize their hatred.
And for a very long time, I believed this as well.
But it’s not true. It is an urban legend, like it or not.
Wookiees make good toys too, so that is an invalid argument.
Jar-Jar? Really? SMH
What’s next? Obamacare?
Oh and gungans don’t make good toys.
Artoo and Threepio appeal to kids too, they make good toys too, yet nobody wants to get rid of them. And most certainly were not created to sell toys.
So this argument fails.
I know George Lucas would not wanna get rid of the Ewoks. That is one. I think Adywan never mentioned getting rid of Ewoks. Thats two.
Getting rid of the Ewoks, or getting rid of slapstick moments are very different.
I always hated too, how childish the Ewoks are, and for a very long time it didn’t even occured to me either, that they eat people, despite that I watched ROTJ like a hundred times.
So making the Ewoks more menacing somehow is a good idea.
Getting rid of them is not:
sansuni said:
Lastly, I completely agree with everyone who stated Ewoks should be reduced/gotten rid off.
I read the whole thing. It is there.
I’ve always thought it strange that in an Empire with “a lot of command ships,”
Nice catch. Forgot this one. It is strange indeed.
I always thought there is only the Executor, since the Emperor doesn’t really travel, Vader uses it. And when the Emperor does, Vader gets a smaller one 😃
darth_ender said:
… Vader only uses an Imperator-class star destroyer while the Emperor commandeered the Executor. Based on the above idea of having Vader arrive in the Executor, I thought it would be fun if the Emperor arrived in the Eclipse from the old EU. Of course this would present some story problems, such as where it went after dropping him off at the Death Star, or if it sticks around, based on existing footage, how would the Rebels destroy it and the Executor? Probably not a realistic addition, but a fun thought.
If they setting a trap, and they have such a ship right there, there is no reason to leave.
I guess this could be the reason that we see Vader’s shuttle exiting an Imperial class, and not the Executor. And the Emperor arrived with that.
Yeah, destroying two of these monsters plus the Death Star …
Fixing the dialog is easier 😃
I would honestly prefer if boba fett was removed entirely from the movie as the only thing i felt he did in that movie was just stand around and die in a slapstick way. He really didn’t add anything to the movie.
Some of the ideas i like from this and other threads are streamlining the Tatooine segment as i feel like it goes on for too long and feels a bit repetitive.
I’d prefer 3po be somewhat in on the plan with r2. When they arrive at Jabba’s palace, 3po tells bib that they have a gift for Jabba (3po doesn’t know that he and r2 are the gift). The dance sequence can be a the beginning of Jabba’s reveal (have it sort of like the cantina sequence with the music in the background) maybe have chewbacca already captured and imprisoned so his reveal would be when Han is finally thawed out the imprisoned. Leia in disguise would be mingling with the locals at this point. After 3po and R2 are given their new tasks, we transition to the point when she attempts to break Han out.
Just throwing out some ideas (not mine of course, Mac’s)
Wow, lots to go over in such a short space of time. I can’t reply to each and every one so i’ll just go through a few…
Personally, I’d like to see the SE “Victory Celebration” music kept intact instead of “Yub Nub.” Coming from a composer, the “Victory Celebration” feels more climactic and conclusive than “Yub Nub.” It simply sounds like a finale.
I hate the Victory Celebration music. It doesn’t fit with the style of music heard in the OT. If they were going to change it, then it should have been a mroe orchestral piece, not some new age hippy trippy pan pipe style music. And the “ya ya ya” vocal bits in it scream the end of TPM to me. Hated that music also. I was never keen on Yub Nub either but i still prefer it over the SE version. But chances are none of them will be in the ending of ROTJ:R, or at least not in their current form. The whole end celebration may only be featured in a short section, with a new ending. Not going to say any more until i do some tests to see if my ideas work though.
One scene that is jarring for me is when Luke chops Vader’s arm off, he’s obviously just wearing an fake “stump”. Is there any way to shorten the limb so it looks a little more realistic?
Yeh, that’s going to be fixed.
One question, if you’re adding female pilots to the battle, does that mean finally giving a female voice to the one already there? Also, are we to assume including deleted scenes are out of the equation?
Yes, a female voice will be reinstated for that pilot. The deleted scenes for ROTJ, for the most part, are very low quality. No amount of cleaning and upscaling could get those shots acceptable for a HD film. This includes all of the Jerjerrod scenes. The only ones that have really any chance of fitting in are the Falcon interior scenes.
An idea I had a long time back was to have a long shot with no cuts showing the Falcon flying through the battle, shooting down Ties and such, while dodging fire from enemy ships. It would be similar in style to the intro scene of Anakin and Obi Wan entering the Coruscant battle in ROTS. This would be an epic way to showcase that Lando is a helluva pilot in his own right and that he knows that ship as well, if not better, than Han. It could end with a cut to Lando in the cockpit pointing out that the Star Destroyers aren’t firing.
i never liked the opening to ROTS. It’s just too long winded. The OT is more focused on short cuts, which work much better than overly long ones.
I’d start with the color-correction of the BluRay first, with small corrections like the lightsabers, shot flips, officer ranks ans continuity errors fixed, then release it. That way, we get a holdover, and we also have a common source to use when we get upset you removed beloved Ewok stunts, Victory Celebration or anything like that.
No, sorry, I’m not interested in releasing an unfinished version.
- 'my main niggle with ROTJ (apart from the ‘slapstick’ Ewoks!) 'has always been Boba Fett’s ‘comedy death’… the whole thing just doesn’t feel like a good ‘end’ for such a popular and supposedly deadly character…(?)
Boba won’t be getting that ridiculous death.
One suggestion is that since Dave Filoni confirms that Captain Rex is the White bearded old rebel guy at the bunker, I wonder if there is a way to get an audio comm announcement in the rebel hangar bay for him to report to the shuttle ala the line in Rogue One for General Sendulla? A little fanboy service, yes… but fitting.
As to a ‘perfect’ Falcon model - have you seen this Perfect Grade baby from Bandai?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B073ZRGX6T/
1/72 scale which puts it slightly bigger than the less-than -perfect Fine Molds one.
There have been some great modelers who tricked out the Hasbro Hero Falcon with a lot of aftermarket parts, but the time to do that right is a 6-month to a full year project.
Not keen on the whole “Rex on Endor” thing. It’s something i won’t be hinting at in ROTJ:R
The “Perfect Grade” falcon is the same scale as the fine molds. I need to go 1/48 at least for this edit. Plus that’s the ANH version anyway. As for how long the modification to the Hasbro would take, i can leave the hangar shots until later so i have no problem with how long the models for this will take. I estimate late next year. Plenty of things to do in the mean time.
I guess one big question we should ask Ady before making a bunch of radical suggestions is:
Do you intend for ROTJ:R to be like ANH:R and ESB:R, in that it’ll be the “Special Edition that should have been,” or do you intend to make more dramatic editing decisions this time around?
There will be a lot more editorial changes with this one than the other two.
Ewoks … They are absolutely ridiculous and only exist to appeal kids and to sell toys.
Wrong. It’s an urban legend. Absolutely nothing to do with kids and toys.
They only exist because Chewbacca got a main role, therefore they could not be Wookies anymore, as they were in early drafts.
Since it is impossible to replace Ewoks with Wookies, getting rid of Ewoks is getting rid of Star Wars, as they were always part of it, from the very first draft.
Wrong, not an urban legend at all. Although it’s true that about the reasons why they weren’t wookiees, the fact about their design remains true that their design was deliberately altered to make them look like Teddy Bears. Their original design was more vicious, but george wanted to sell toys (where the real money is made). Originally they didn;t even have the head-dress, so looked exactly like Teddy bears. The head dress was only added during production because they had to cut a hole in the back of the head for cooling purposes. He also refused to have Han killed off because “no one wants to buy a toy of a dead character”
There is nothing plausible in TFA. That is a mess.
I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.
Why anyone cares about ‘Canon’? It is a Disney business move to make more money, and has nothing to do with what Star Wars is or should be.
Please can you keep this Disney bashing crap out of this thread. It plagues too many thread now by the usual suspects and i don;t want it infecting this one too. Plus the canon thing was a Lucas marketing tool to make money, in place LONG before the Disney buy out. Personally i’m loving the new Star Wars films so far. Heads and tales above the crap PT.
Here’s my list of suggestions:
- Maybe one less use of “my master” during the scene when Vader tells Palpatine about Luke being on Endor. To me, it sounds a little repetitive to hear him say that for two sentences in a row.
- Either shorten or remove the scene with the scout troopers chasing the Ewok on speeder bikes.
- Reanimate Palpatine’s Force lightning, and don’t give it as much of a glow.
- When Luke takes Vader’s mask off, make the top of Anakin’s head less egg-shaped, but keep his blue eyes and leave the eyebrows off as shown in the official 2004 DVD onwards.
2 - that is going to be shortened
3 - Why? Nothing wrong with the glow.
4 - planning on doing something about the egg head if possible.
The Prequel Trilogy is here to stay as a permanent part of the Star Wars canon whether you like them or not.
Well they’re no longer part of the Revisited saga, so… 😉
I wonder when Adywan will look at all of these suggestions and tell us what he thinks?
i can’t believe i have to address this thing once again. I asked you nicely before and yet you are doing it AGAIN. Why do i have to reply to things instantaneously for you? And then, when i don’t immediately reply, you send me constant messages on facebook, comment here, email me, all in a very short space of time. And emailing me to say nothing more than “A lot of people have been proposing suggestions for ROTJ Revisited on OT.com. I suggest you look at them and post your thoughts” will only go to get you ignored. How dare you demand that i reply, especially to a thread that i only started 3 damn days ago. A lot has been posted , yes, but it takes time to read through and reply and i keep my weekends mainly for myself and family and away from matters of the edit. Please stop it.
While it will be next year at least before i write up all the ideas i had for the PT, this is one thing that was worked on. It was to be included in the Complete Saga trailer i had planned, but when decided not to do the PT, it was scrapped and never properly finished, so is still in its very rough stages.
“There will be a lot more editorial changes with this one than the other two.”
Great, I think ROTJ does need at least some editorial changes.
A few more ideas I’ve been mulling over:
Vader’s voice: Something that has always bothered me since I first saw the film as a child was how Vader’s voice effect is quite noticeably different from the other two, not that the Original Trilogy was consistent in this regard to begin with (cough ANH “man in a suit” cough), but Jedi seems to have an overmixed flanger or phaser effect to it. If there’s anyway it could be made to sound more like ESB that would be wonderful.
In regards to Operation: Decutify Ewoks, I have found when watching similar “cute but evil” creatures in other media that a lot of the scare factor or creepiness comes from a good mix of making the creature seem all cute and cuddly, but then subverting it with some subtle elements (and some overt ones as well) as to their true nature to achieve the desired effect. As a result, my personal recommendation is to treat the Ewoks in precisely that manner.
I do think the space battle could be extended by about a minute or two, namely the sequence right before the shield goes down since it seems a bit rushed IMHO (please let us see an actual ship to ship battle between the medical frigate and that Star Destroyer rather than them just sitting there).
A couple additions that could be made have already been suggested, but to reiterate them: A. near the start of the battle when the rebel fleet arrives a ship hitting the shield that alerts the rebels to it still being active (Lando’s dialogue would need to be reedited since the film in its current state suggests that this doesn’t occur), and B. add some Interdictors from Star Wars Rebels (which according to the new canon DID actually participate in the battle) which could add a whole new dynamic to the battle since the rebels can’t simply escape into hyperspace while those are active, as well as the Victory-class Star Destroyers mentioned earlier.
It would be awesome if “Commence primary ignition” and the bass drop could be added when the Death Star II fires after “Fire at will commander”, although I am aware that it is technically an “improved design” and those things might no longer apply.
Agreed with the poster above who suggested that R2-D2’s bleeps and boops need some effects from 4 & 5 mixed in.
And that’s all for now.
“There will be a lot more editorial changes with this one than the other two.”
Ho, boy.
But you did say that you know what you can and can’t do now, so this will hopefully not take at least another decade to make. But I’ll be patient.
Editdroid, you will cease harassing Adywan immediately. Any further complaints and you WILL BE BANNED. Duration of ban at moderator’s discretion.
The same applies to anyone else who acts like a creepy stalker.
Where were you in '77?
Editdroid, you will cease harassing Adywan immediately. Any further complaints and you WILL BE BANNED. Duration of ban at moderator’s discretion.
The same applies to anyone else who acts like a creepy stalker.
I’m shutting up.
Wrong, not an urban legend at all. Although it’s true that about the reasons why they weren’t wookiees, the fact about their design remains true that their design was deliberately altered to make them look like Teddy Bears. Their original design was more vicious, but george wanted to sell toys (where the real money is made). Originally they didn;t even have the head-dress, so looked exactly like Teddy bears. The head dress was only added during production because they had to cut a hole in the back of the head for cooling purposes. He also refused to have Han killed off because “no one wants to buy a toy of a dead character”
Actually Ewoks are too girly, and Star Wars fans are mostly boys.
Sure there were other designs.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b241/ATMachine/Ewok Concepts/yuzzum_jj1_late80.png
And would these sell worse for some reason?
Because thats what needs to be proved for that theory. Or quote George Lucas saying it. Only thing I found is that he said he wanted them cuddly. That is just not enough to prove anything.
If can not be proved, its just urban legend.
https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/132656/did-lucas-always-intend-the-ewoks-to-be-specifically-for-children/132665
http://screenrant.com/ewok-star-wars-trivia-facts-you-didnt-know/
Pretty sure that marketing idea came after creating the Ewoks.
And on a personal note, I think only Wicket is cuddly, and that baby Ewok, the others are really not.
But I had enough of Ewoks, it has already gone way beyond what it should have.
I still stand for Ewoks not to be deleted though.
Yeah, Harrison Ford said that. Im not sure if Lucas was right if Ford told the truth. Lot’s of Boba Fetts been bought I guess. Personally I would buy Boba over Solo. But only got an R2 anyway, so what do I know.
There is nothing plausible in TFA. That is a mess.
I do not trust Disney anymore. First they made a terribly bad, than a mediocre movie, so they are 0 for 2 right now. Im afraid a cool Disney Star Wars movie is unrealistic expectation at this point.
Why anyone cares about ‘Canon’? It is a Disney business move to make more money, and has nothing to do with what Star Wars is or should be.
Please can you keep this Disney bashing crap out of this thread. It plagues too many thread now by the usual suspects and i don;t want it infecting this one too.
I didn’t bring up any of it, merely responded.
I wholeheartedly agree to leave all the Disney crap out.
I guess even mentioning Disney and the new films in positive or negative way should be avoided, or it will create a debate inevitably, as it has.
So there is really no need to mention those here.
Plus the canon thing was a Lucas marketing tool to make money, in place LONG before the Disney buy out. Personally i’m loving the new Star Wars films so far. Heads and tales above the crap PT.
Facts are that
–> Back to Return of the Jedi suggestions. Hopefully.
Just found this George Lucas quote:
“A lot of people are going to be offended by Ewoks. A lot of people say the films are just an excuse for merchandising: ‘‘Lucas just decided to cash in on the teddy bear.’’ Well, it’s not a great thing to cash in on, because there are lots of teddy bears marketed, so you don’t have anything that’s unique. If I were designing something original as a market item, I could probably do a lot better.”
And to quote someone else:
“I’ve just about had enough of this.”
He also once said "Dare to be cute."
And lest we forget, there was a ton of Ewok merchandise back in the day. Stuffed toys and even a separate line aimed at younger kids much like the Playskool toys of today.
Where were you in '77?
U-wings are troop transports, there’s no reason for them to be at Endor.
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Perhaps after the Endor “Planetary” shield goes down, a squad of U-wings goes down to supply the ground with more troops?
Perhaps after the Endor “Planetary” shield goes down, a squad of U-wings goes down to supply the ground with more troops?
That’s not a bad idea.
Perhaps after the Endor “Planetary” shield goes down, a squad of U-wings goes down to supply the ground with more troops?
The ground battle is pretty much over when the shield goes down.
I feel like I’m regurgitating a bunch of my favorite ideas from the ROTJ collaborative thread, but I’ve always liked the BTL-B Y-wing design and think it complements the OT’s Y-wing nicely.
Also, I’ve always loved the Macquarrie painting of the B-wings destroying a star destroyer and would love to see that in action.
Also, I’ve always loved the Macquarrie painting of the B-wings destroying a star destroyer and would love to see that in action.
I’m pretty sure that’s the plan.
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