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Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

More in the Google manifesto saga:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo

Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” A Google representative didn’t immediately return a request for comment.

Google’s Chief Executive Officer Sundar Pichai sent a note to employees on Monday that said portions of the employee’s memo “violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.” But he didn’t say if the company was taking action against the employee.

Looks like his criticisms of Google being an ideological echo chamber were, in fact, accurate.

Maybe at the higher, management levels, yes, but at lower levels, I’m sure there’s many like him.

Also, you can sometimes get to a point wheee calling something an echo chamber is ridiculous. For example, if I made a forum where I banned all people who said they were proud eaters of babies, would you call it an ideological echo chamber just because I banned all the baby eaters?

If there were in fact baby eaters who were banned, then yes it is an echo chamber on that issue.

Some voices are ok not to allow.

Why not?

At a certain point, you have to choose to either make the people making others uncomfortable leave or make the people who are feeling uncomfortable leave. I would like to choose the former.

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NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

Jeebus said:

yhwx said:

More in the Google manifesto saga:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-08/google-fires-employee-behind-controversial-diversity-memo

Alphabet Inc.’s Google has fired an employee who wrote an internal memo blasting the web company’s diversity policies, creating a firestorm across Silicon Valley.

James Damore, the Google engineer who wrote the note, confirmed his dismissal in an email, saying that he had been fired for “perpetuating gender stereotypes.” A Google representative didn’t immediately return a request for comment.

Google’s Chief Executive Officer Sundar Pichai sent a note to employees on Monday that said portions of the employee’s memo “violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace.” But he didn’t say if the company was taking action against the employee.

Looks like his criticisms of Google being an ideological echo chamber were, in fact, accurate.

Maybe at the higher, management levels, yes, but at lower levels, I’m sure there’s many like him.

Also, you can sometimes get to a point wheee calling something an echo chamber is ridiculous. For example, if I made a forum where I banned all people who said they were proud eaters of babies, would you call it an ideological echo chamber just because I banned all the baby eaters?

If there were in fact baby eaters who were banned, then yes it is an echo chamber on that issue.

Ok, sure, it technically is an echo chamber on that issue. But I don’t want baby eaters on my forum. Some voices are ok not to allow.

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Yes, I appreciate graphs too but I don’t appreciate this sort of bro culture pseudo-science nonsense.

You determined that it was ‘pseudo-science nonsense’ from nine minutes of reading?

I’m not a trained scientist, so I rely on summaries like this in order to make up my mind about highly complicated topics. Not being a computer scientist, I don’t have a horse in the race. It just makes sense that women and men have differing interests, and this can have an effect on the type of job one gets. Are we a bunch of horrible fascist sexists because the vast majority of the people on this forum are male? Sure a few give the many a bad name, but I hope that we are given more credit than that.

Exactly. It’s not pseudo-science. It’s simply asserting that men and women can sometimes end up having common differences which might be the reason for a disparity between genders in a certain work field, rather than the cause being that of sexism and discrimination. Google is just virtue signaling and had no real reason to fire the guy. Pretty damn pathetic on their part.

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Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

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DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

It is not regressive to assert that men and women have common differences in career interests, which might contribute to differences in men and women who occupy certain job fields.

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yhwx said:

everybody likes choice

Not everybody. That’s the point isn’t it?

moviefreakedmind said:

I tend to say pro- and anti-abortion.

That doesn’t work. Being pro-choice doesn’t mean you are pro-abortion. “anti-abortion” or “anti-choice” are reasonably accurate though.

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moviefreakedmind said:

As for pro-life being a rightwing distortion, I don’t necessarily see how. It’s technically accurate.

The right does not support life as much as they are against abortion. Hence anti-abortion being more accurate.

Here’s another example - Republicans (in general) favor tax breaks that favor the rich while pulling government support from the poor. They care about making sure a fetus comes to term, but then don’t care at all what happens after it is born. That’s not pro-life either, that’s anti-abortion.

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But her emails.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/08/politics/trump-retweet-fox-news-north-korea-story-haley/index.html

President Donald Trump’s retweet of a Fox News story claiming US satellites detected North Korea moving anti-ship cruise missiles to a patrol boat is raising eyebrows on Tuesday after US Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley indicated that the information in the report is classified and was leaked.

“I can’t talk about anything that’s classified and if that’s in the newspaper that’s a shame,” Haley said Tuesday on “Fox and Friends” when asked about the story that cites two anonymous sources.

Pushed on whether the information was leaked, Haley said “it’s one of those things I don’t know what’s going on. I will tell you it’s incredibly dangerous when things get out into the press like that.”

But just a few hours before Haley’s appearance on Fox, Trump retweeted a post from the Fox News morning show promoting the story said to contain classified information.

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DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

Hey look, the Atlantic is now basically apologizing for jumping on the bandwagon and mis-characterizing the memo as ‘anti-diversity’.

Truth putting on her boots and all that.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

yhwx said:

everybody likes choice

Not everybody. That’s the point isn’t it?

moviefreakedmind said:

I tend to say pro- and anti-abortion.

That doesn’t work. Being pro-choice doesn’t mean you are pro-abortion. “anti-abortion” or “anti-choice” are reasonably accurate though.

If only Pro-abortion-being-legal and anti-abortion-being-legal(or perhaps Pro-abortion-being-illegal and anti-abortion-being-illegal) were more catchy. Oh well.

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NeverarGreat said:

DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

Hey look, the Atlantic is now basically apologizing for jumping on the bandwagon and mis-characterizing the memo as ‘anti-diversity’.

Isn’t it, though? My understanding is that the memo claims that there are fewer women in the tech industry because they’re biologically disinclined to do so.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

It is only your opinion that it was a misogynist manifesto and it is only your opinion that the he has regressive ideas about gender.

Imo, it makes sense that gender could affect one’s personality, and that could have an affect on career choices. Gender has an affect on what movies people like(there is a reason the term “chick-flick” exists) and whether or not they are sports fans, doesn’t it? Lets say you were at an American football stadium while a game was going on, if you had bet whether there were more men or women there, which way would you bet?

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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

It is only your opinion that it was a misogynist manifesto and it is only your opinion that the he has regressive ideas about gender.

Imo, it makes sense that gender could affect one’s personality, and that could have an affect on career choices. Gender has an affect on what movies people like(there is a reason the term “chick-flick” exists) and whether or not they are sports fans, doesn’t it? Lets say you were at an American football stadium while a game was going on, if you had bet whether there were more men or women there, which way would you bet?

It is only your opinion that it is not a misogynist manifesto. And whether someone is a sports fan or not is not limited to nor primarily influenced by their gender. Not that you’ve studied the statistics on such things, nor do you make the distinction between differing preferences for different sports. Yes, different people are predisposed to certain hobbies, jobs, and preferences based on things like gender, culture, upbringing, attitude, ambition, et al. But to pigeon-hole a subgroup of the culture and label them as what amounts to inferior is all kinds of weak sauce.

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chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.

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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

It is only your opinion that it was a misogynist manifesto and it is only your opinion that the he has regressive ideas about gender.

Imo, it makes sense that gender could affect one’s personality, and that could have an affect on career choices. Gender has an affect on what movies people like(there is a reason the term “chick-flick” exists) and whether or not they are sports fans, doesn’t it? Lets say you were at an American football stadium while a game was going on, if you had bet whether there were more men or women there, which way would you bet?

It only makes sense because of the way our culture is set up. Pink is for girls, blue is for boys. Toy trucks are for boys, dolls are for girls. Nursing is for girls, engineering is for boys.

Also: I usually don’t like to do this, but it’s effect.

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Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

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chyron8472 said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Any guy who writes a ten page misogynist manifesto is probably an all around cad. Doubt this was the only reason they fired him.

But yeah of course Google is dumb, they should be hiring more people with regressive ideas about gender, that definitely makes sense.

It is only your opinion that it was a misogynist manifesto and it is only your opinion that the he has regressive ideas about gender.

Imo, it makes sense that gender could affect one’s personality, and that could have an affect on career choices. Gender has an affect on what movies people like(there is a reason the term “chick-flick” exists) and whether or not they are sports fans, doesn’t it? Lets say you were at an American football stadium while a game was going on, if you had bet whether there were more men or women there, which way would you bet?

It is only your opinion that it is not a misogynist manifesto.

You do realize that “Imo” stands for In My Opinion, right?

And whether someone is a sports fan or not is not limited to nor primarily influenced by their gender.

But it can have an affect. Where do you think you’ll find more women, at a showing of Die Hard or a showing of the Sex in the City movie?

Yes, different people are predisposed to certain hobbies, jobs, and preferences based on things like gender, culture, upbringing, attitude, ambition, et al.

exactly.

But to pigeon-hole a subgroup of the culture and label them as what amounts to inferior is all kinds of weak sauce.

Is it labeling them inferior or merely saying they are different?

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TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

I don’t know anyone who was aware of being the wrong gender at a young age, but I assume so.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

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TV’s Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is a boy more into sports because he has a penis or because his Dad liked sports and the other boys liked sports and they all looked down on him until he liked sports?

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

What about transgendered people? When they are young, aren’t they given the clothes and the toys of the gender everyone things they are and they sometimes reject them and prefer the toys and cloths of the other gender?

Often, yes.

Not sure what your point is, unless you’re just agreeing with me.

My point is that maybe there is something about what gender your brain is that affects what you like that don’t like. You said that maybe the only reason a boy likes sports is because his Dad did and how other boys would look down on him for not liking sports. If what you said is true, then a person born with the mind of girl but the body of a boy would still end up liking sports and the same would true of toys and clothes, yet we know it doesn’t work like that.

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TV’s Frink said:

I don’t know anyone who was aware of being the wrong gender at a young age, but I assume so.

I have seen news stories where it has happened. I think I remember seeing a story about it on 20/20 years ago.

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I’m guessing it’s the latter.

Instead of just guessing, how about we turn to science to answer the question? I think that was more or less the point of that 10 page letter that guy from Google wrote.

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Warbler said:

I’m guessing it’s the latter.

Instead of just guessing, how about we turn to science to answer the question? I think that was more or less the point of that 10 page letter that guy from Google wrote.

He didn’t cite any scientific studies in his letter.

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Trump retweeted a post from the Fox News morning show promoting the story said to contain classified information.

Linking to leaked information on your social media account is literally something explained by a cartoon Uncle Sam in required annual training.

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Oh, I love how the enlightened Left loves to tell those who are pro-life what their stance really is. I can’t tell you just how all these idiotic oversimplifications piss me off! I can’t engage with any of you. This thread used to be a place for intelligent debate. Now it’s just stereotyping ideologies by a number of self-righteous jerks.