Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 345

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Personally I think the outrage is pretty premature. But the best I can tell there is at least one legitimate criticism of the concept (rather than the nonexistent execution). Essentially, the idea being that showing an alternate history where things are worse to some extent absolves the problems of the present (as opposed to a future story where things are worse, which would be a cautionary tale). Basically it’s a thing where you can point to it and say “look how much worse race relations could be, so don’t complain!”

1. I have no idea if there is any intent whatsoever by the series creators to try to absolve the problems of the present or to say that people shouldn’t complain now. I have no idea as to what political positions the creators of the show hold.

2. I don’t think the Nazi takes place in an alternative future.

3. I am not sure understand what you are saying here

I think he’s trying to say that this show will belittle the problems of now by showing how much worse it could have been. It might read as trying to shut up people who have problems with race relations now.

Also, I’m not sure what the writers/directors intend matters here. It’s how it reads off to the viewer.

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

DominicCobb said:

Personally I think the outrage is pretty premature. But the best I can tell there is at least one legitimate criticism of the concept (rather than the nonexistent execution). Essentially, the idea being that showing an alternate history where things are worse to some extent absolves the problems of the present (as opposed to a future story where things are worse, which would be a cautionary tale). Basically it’s a thing where you can point to it and say “look how much worse race relations could be, so don’t complain!”

The same criticism applies to the Man in High Castle though not sure why the outrage wasn’t there (probably a combination of a lot of different reasons).

I agree with this, though I’m probably missing something because of my x privilege.

You used something in a sentence that isn’t a word.

Use your imagination. Fill in that x.

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Trump has reached his highest disapproval rating and lowest approval rating yet.

By which metric?

538’s average has him at 38.2% approval, lowest since early June when he was at his true low of 38.0%.

Similarly, RCP has him at 39.2% approval, lowest since mid-June when he was at his true low of 38.6%

You are correct about Trump’s approval rating. I retract that part. We regret the error.

However, you neglected to mention that Trump is in fact at his highest disapproval rating according to the two trackers you cited:

My post was not based on the Rasmussen poll; in fact, it was based on the two above trackers.

538 has just updated to show his disapproval at 56.7% and his approval at 37.8%, his highest and lowest points ever, respectively.

And now it’s down to 37.6%. Sad!

Down to 37.0% by this afternoon.

This is fun.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Personally I think the outrage is pretty premature. But the best I can tell there is at least one legitimate criticism of the concept (rather than the nonexistent execution). Essentially, the idea being that showing an alternate history where things are worse to some extent absolves the problems of the present (as opposed to a future story where things are worse, which would be a cautionary tale). Basically it’s a thing where you can point to it and say “look how much worse race relations could be, so don’t complain!”

1. I have no idea if there is any intent whatsoever by the series creators to try to absolve the problems of the present or to say that people shouldn’t complain now. I have no idea as to what political positions the creators of the show hold.

2. I don’t think the Nazi takes place in an alternative future.

3. I am not sure understand what you are saying here

I think he’s trying to say that this show will belittle the problems of now by showing how much worse it could have been. It might read as trying to shut up people who have problems with race relations now.

Also, I’m not sure what the writers/directors intend matters here. It’s how it reads off to the viewer.

1. can we tell how it will read to viewer until it airs and we actually see it?
2. I am sure it is possible to do a show without it coming off like that.
3. I think the writers/directors intent does matter(so does how it come off to the reasonable viewer).
4. I think the writers/directors intent does matter especially when there is no show actually watch with which to judge.
5. Couldn’t one argue that the Nazi show would do the same to Jewish people, that it might as well read a trying to shut up people who have problems with antisemitism?

1. Of course we can.

2. Of course it is.

3. If I wrote something that made people think that I was a Nazi, that’s probably a failure of me as a writer even if I didn’t intend that.

4. I agree that we should wait and see!

5. Yes!

6. I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here.

NeverarGreat said:

TV’s Frink said:

NeverarGreat said:

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

yhwx said:

Trump has reached his highest disapproval rating and lowest approval rating yet.

By which metric?

538’s average has him at 38.2% approval, lowest since early June when he was at his true low of 38.0%.

Similarly, RCP has him at 39.2% approval, lowest since mid-June when he was at his true low of 38.6%

You are correct about Trump’s approval rating. I retract that part. We regret the error.

However, you neglected to mention that Trump is in fact at his highest disapproval rating according to the two trackers you cited:

My post was not based on the Rasmussen poll; in fact, it was based on the two above trackers.

538 has just updated to show his disapproval at 56.7% and his approval at 37.8%, his highest and lowest points ever, respectively.

And now it’s down to 37.6%. Sad!

Down to 37.0% by this afternoon.

This is fun.

I’m a master prognosticator.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Personally I think the outrage is pretty premature. But the best I can tell there is at least one legitimate criticism of the concept (rather than the nonexistent execution). Essentially, the idea being that showing an alternate history where things are worse to some extent absolves the problems of the present (as opposed to a future story where things are worse, which would be a cautionary tale). Basically it’s a thing where you can point to it and say “look how much worse race relations could be, so don’t complain!”

1. I have no idea if there is any intent whatsoever by the series creators to try to absolve the problems of the present or to say that people shouldn’t complain now. I have no idea as to what political positions the creators of the show hold.

2. I don’t think the Nazi takes place in an alternative future.

3. I am not sure understand what you are saying here

I think he’s trying to say that this show will belittle the problems of now by showing how much worse it could have been. It might read as trying to shut up people who have problems with race relations now.

Also, I’m not sure what the writers/directors intend matters here. It’s how it reads off to the viewer.

1. can we tell how it will read to viewer until it airs and we actually see it?
2. I am sure it is possible to do a show without it coming off like that.
3. I think the writers/directors intent does matter(so does how it come off to the reasonable viewer).
4. I think the writers/directors intent does matter especially when there is no show actually watch with which to judge.
5. Couldn’t one argue that the Nazi show would do the same to Jewish people, that it might as well read a trying to shut up people who have problems with antisemitism?

1. Of course we can.

how?

By watching it!

2. Of course it is.

we agree on one point then.

Good!

3. If I wrote something that made people think that I was a Nazi, that’s probably a failure of me as a writer even if I didn’t intend that.

yes, that does not quite mean the the directors/writers intent does’t matter. You are just talking about one specific situation.

Tell me more!

4. I agree that we should wait and see!

good.

Great!

5. Yes!

yet the this show is receiving complaints while the Nazi show is not.

The situations and context are probably different!

6. I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here.

did you mean this as a joke?

No!

At least partially, no!

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

DON’T TAKE THIS MOUSE FROM ME TOO!!!

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Random-Thoughts/id/11047/page/587/#1093871

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Personally I think the outrage is pretty premature. But the best I can tell there is at least one legitimate criticism of the concept (rather than the nonexistent execution). Essentially, the idea being that showing an alternate history where things are worse to some extent absolves the problems of the present (as opposed to a future story where things are worse, which would be a cautionary tale). Basically it’s a thing where you can point to it and say “look how much worse race relations could be, so don’t complain!”

1. I have no idea if there is any intent whatsoever by the series creators to try to absolve the problems of the present or to say that people shouldn’t complain now. I have no idea as to what political positions the creators of the show hold.

2. I don’t think the Nazi takes place in an alternative future.

3. I am not sure understand what you are saying here

I think he’s trying to say that this show will belittle the problems of now by showing how much worse it could have been. It might read as trying to shut up people who have problems with race relations now.

Also, I’m not sure what the writers/directors intend matters here. It’s how it reads off to the viewer.

1. can we tell how it will read to viewer until it airs and we actually see it?
2. I am sure it is possible to do a show without it coming off like that.
3. I think the writers/directors intent does matter(so does how it come off to the reasonable viewer).
4. I think the writers/directors intent does matter especially when there is no show actually watch with which to judge.
5. Couldn’t one argue that the Nazi show would do the same to Jewish people, that it might as well read a trying to shut up people who have problems with antisemitism?

1. Of course we can.

how?

By watching it!

You’re not making any sense here. I initially asked if “can we tell how it will read to the viewer until it airs and we actually see it”. You said “of course we can”. I asked how. Saying “By watching it” does not answer that question. I was asking if we can tell how it will read to the viewer, BEFORE it airs.

Then I change my answer to:

Of course we can’t!

3. If I wrote something that made people think that I was a Nazi, that’s probably a failure of me as a writer even if I didn’t intend that.

yes, that does not quite mean the the directors/writers intent does’t matter. You are just talking about one specific situation.

Tell me more!

You were talking about one specific instance, I am was talking about in general. I think there is a big difference accidentally having something read a negative and purposefully having something read negative.

I believe that the distinction between having something accidentally read as negative and purposefully read as negative is a pointless one.

And nobody said that the writers of this Confederate show would make it purposefully read negative. It could be accidental.

5. Yes!

yet the this show is receiving complaints while the Nazi show is not.

The situations and context are probably different!

how so?

The historical context between World War II and the Civil War are different. People think about them in different ways.

There also might be a great deal attributed to the seemingly random nature of the universe. Sometimes things blow up for whatever inscrutable reason when other similar things don’t. Randomness!

6. I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here.

did you mean this as a joke?

No!

At least partially, no!

I guess you are do not understand what I am saying in regards to point 3.

You’re not totally wrong but you’re not really right either.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Personally I think the outrage is pretty premature. But the best I can tell there is at least one legitimate criticism of the concept (rather than the nonexistent execution). Essentially, the idea being that showing an alternate history where things are worse to some extent absolves the problems of the present (as opposed to a future story where things are worse, which would be a cautionary tale). Basically it’s a thing where you can point to it and say “look how much worse race relations could be, so don’t complain!”

1. I have no idea if there is any intent whatsoever by the series creators to try to absolve the problems of the present or to say that people shouldn’t complain now. I have no idea as to what political positions the creators of the show hold.

2. I don’t think the Nazi takes place in an alternative future.

3. I am not sure understand what you are saying here

I think he’s trying to say that this show will belittle the problems of now by showing how much worse it could have been. It might read as trying to shut up people who have problems with race relations now.

Also, I’m not sure what the writers/directors intend matters here. It’s how it reads off to the viewer.

1. can we tell how it will read to viewer until it airs and we actually see it?
2. I am sure it is possible to do a show without it coming off like that.
3. I think the writers/directors intent does matter(so does how it come off to the reasonable viewer).
4. I think the writers/directors intent does matter especially when there is no show actually watch with which to judge.
5. Couldn’t one argue that the Nazi show would do the same to Jewish people, that it might as well read a trying to shut up people who have problems with antisemitism?

1. Of course we can.

how?

By watching it!

You’re not making any sense here. I initially asked if “can we tell how it will read to the viewer until it airs and we actually see it”. You said “of course we can”. I asked how. Saying “By watching it” does not answer that question. I was asking if we can tell how it will read to the viewer, BEFORE it airs.

Then I change my answer to:

Of course we can’t!

ok then.

Ok!

3. If I wrote something that made people think that I was a Nazi, that’s probably a failure of me as a writer even if I didn’t intend that.

yes, that does not quite mean the the directors/writers intent does’t matter. You are just talking about one specific situation.

Tell me more!

You were talking about one specific instance, I am was talking about in general. I think there is a big difference accidentally having something read a negative and purposefully having something read negative.

I believe that the distinction between having something accidentally read as negative and purposefully read as negative is a pointless one.

I totally disagree with you here, but I don’t see anyway to convince you that it is not pointless.

Ok!

5. Yes!

yet the this show is receiving complaints while the Nazi show is not.

The situations and context are probably different!

how so?

The historical context between World War II and the Civil War are different. People think about them in different ways.

yes. most regard the Nazis as much more evil and vile than the Confederates. Yet we can make a show about the Nazi’s winning but not the Confederates.

I’m not sure what you mean by “can” and “can’t” make a show. I think that’s a bit of a farcical framing. People are criticizing HBO for making Confederate. That doesn’t mean they “can’t” make the show.

There also might be a great deal attributed to the seemingly random nature of the universe. Sometimes things blow up for whatever inscrutable reason when other similar things don’t. Randomness!

possible.

Very possible!

6. I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here.

did you mean this as a joke?

what

No!

At least partially, no!

I guess you are do not understand what I am saying in regards to point 3.

You’re not totally wrong but you’re not really right either.

Ok please explain to me what part of what I said, that you do not understand.

There’s no specific part that I don’t understand. It’s just your whole argument that I don’t understand.

Warbler said:

yhwx said:

5. Yes!

yet the this show is receiving complaints while the Nazi show is not.

The situations and context are probably different!

how so?

The historical context between World War II and the Civil War are different. People think about them in different ways.

yes. most regard the Nazis as much more evil and vile than the Confederates. Yet we can make a show about the Nazi’s winning but not the Confederates.

I’m not sure what you mean by “can” and “can’t” make a show. I think that’s a bit of a farcical framing. People are criticizing HBO for making Confederate. That doesn’t mean they “can’t” make the show.

I guess I should have used acceptable and unacceptable instead of can and can’t. My point is people are criticizing Confederate but not the Nazi show, yet the Nazi’s are regarded as much more evil and vile.

There also might be a great deal attributed to the seemingly random nature of the universe. Sometimes things blow up for whatever inscrutable reason when other similar things don’t. Randomness!

possible.

Very possible!

No, just possible.

6. I’m not sure I understand what you’re trying to say here.

did you mean this as a joke?

what

No!

At least partially, no!

I guess you are do not understand what I am saying in regards to point 3.

You’re not totally wrong but you’re not really right either.

Ok please explain to me what part of what I said, that you do not understand.

There’s no specific part that I don’t understand. It’s just your whole argument that I don’t understand.

I am not understanding why this series seems to be so controversial and the Nazi show is not.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe people were criticizing the “Nazi show.” I don’t know. Why are you so hung up on it anyway? It could just be total randomness, as I said before.