TFA: A Gentle Restructure (Released) — Page 38

Yeah… it’s the only instance in the entire movie they do that sort of “salute,” and we see them facing the (now) drainage from the star later.
As far as sync goes, there’s not any wiggle room whatsoever; the shot needs to begin and end in that spot with every frame it has. But I think it’s perfectly fine in a series of movies with stormtrooper footstep audio synced like this:
https://youtu.be/YLFhbLSl1CU?t=21s

In the reading WAY too far into things department, I like the use of those two ‘control room’ shots in the firing sequence for what it telegraphs:

Now, in the ‘weapon charging’ scene, it goes from a propaganda speech to the brainwashed masses to seemingly two or three people overlooking… something, and pushing the buttons to begin the process.
Then, when we get to the actual weapon firing, we get some people scrambling to comply with orders, one of which looks somewhat uncomfortable with it.

I agree. It’s a very human perspective on the whole thing.

Now to change it:
https://vimeo.com/221360199
Password: leia

This reverses the control room shot and adds the ‘fire’ line. I don’t know if the reversal helps the scene, but again, I do like the ‘fire’.

Also included is a mockup of what DominicCobb’s ‘second firing’ idea could look like in action, which feels somewhat necessary to establish the operational status of the Oscillator. I think Snoke should have a congratulatory line for Hux, but the most I could find was ‘It is time’. It’s not ideal, since it’s repeated soon after. The music needs some work as well. Perhaps something more percussive like the first few seconds of the scene but throughout.

This scene would allow the X-wing attack to happen as it does in the original, sans the two reaction shots used in the Starkiller Firing.

So what do you guys think? Does this have potential?

I think I prefer the shots not flipped, and without Gleeson’s unmistakable (to me) “Fire.”

But the second firing mockup ain’t bad. We’d processed the overall idea and found it wanting in the past.

Then I’m happy to leave the firing as is. 😃

Well, wait. I suppose it doesn’t matter if it’s implied to be Hux there, in this new context. Does the shot have to be reversed to use that line?

Nope. It could well be Hux, though Hux doesn’t usually wear a hat.

It’s only slightly weird that in this version we don’t see him order the execution of his life’s work.

Alternatively, instead of an entire Snoke scene late in the film, the V1 dogfight could remain in place but with the Ackbar dialogue as if on the radio:
https://vimeo.com/221369138
Password: craft

Very rough, but you get the idea.

This edit is so exciting! I really think that all of the hard work that you all are doing for V2 is really making this concept come together quite fluidly. Great work! I really appreciate it and love what you guys are doing with this film which I like but find lacking in some ways.

I was working on implementing the firing sequence, but there are a few clicks and things in the audio.
Any chance you’d be able to export your isolated sound effects tracks in 5.1? Or just the separate mono files for each stream?

EDIT:

The only clicks I hear are during the shot of the (now darkened) SKB firing (the one right after the two control room shots). Is there a way to fix this click sound, or re-export and see if it’s gone?
Also, is there any way to export without downmixing to stereo? You were able to do this for the SKB explosion sequence, which really helped the final result.

Most of the sounds in my renders are just the isolated center channel of the 5.1 mix, and shouldn’t be used for the final mix. I’m still trying to get a handle on 5.1 editing, but it doesn’t play well with my projects since they were initiated in stereo. Unfortunately, for right now these renders are ‘some assembly required’.

However, I’ve re-encoded ‘Leia and the Starkiller’ as well as ‘Starless Starkiller’ since I updated the effects somewhat. Leia and the Starkiller will have all 4 stereo tracks encoded separately so that the music and some of the sound can be used. For most of the sound however, it’s best to go back to the source.

Here they are:
Starless Starkiller 3:
https://mega.nz/#!mIsxlToJ!x-vHaj99-HgCSdBbdEWxVz_PCla1_wSfU4mJz64e5MM
Leia and the Starkiller 14:
https://mega.nz/#!zIsjVSAR!gbqadYAasxlud1sYA3UjUAw2mCtVKe2_YQjLNh5f2XU
Track 1:
https://mega.nz/#!CMlWTBCK!DeTL3B8UPOoZbs_Qptf9k_FLe7pRYG13AxXDzRm4F0w
Track 2:
https://mega.nz/#!CE0kxTKa!PTWbdzmVLnnrQxxIDd_NjA7rt5Ho3l_1b4pMJerrln4
Track 3:
https://mega.nz/#!rYcDABRK!VPRzvqpOtcXDS_2BiDH4NAe3UAT2-F_zLPgHTtUoCic
Track 4 (just the ‘fire’ dialogue):
https://mega.nz/#!7VsDRLbB!p43yx2rMx_VwsZ4gp0o4vUuSpHrVgzA3B7Xq_IYTMz4

Thanks; that does help some. I’ve spent about 2.5 hours this evening laser focused on making what’s there sound as good as I can get it using all my tricks. I’m rendering a high-quality encode of the whole sequence, and I’ll upload it for you all in the morning. It’s not quite what a professional would be happy with, but we aren’t exactly working with source material, and I think it sounds very decent, and well worth the slight tradeoff.

Looking forward to it!

Alternate take on Snoke and friends:
https://vimeo.com/221526067
Password: hux

Would it be sufficient to insert that little scene along with a line from Ackbar? If everything else played out from that point, I don’t see any incongruities. It’d even help address the apparent problem (for those who have the theatrical TFA on the brain) of SKB exploding into a new star.

Either scene alone would be sufficient for proving the Oscillator operational, but each has additional benefits. The Snoke scene allows for the Ileenium system as the new target, so it would allow for Hux’s ‘prepare to fire’ line to be included. The Snoke scene also solves the ‘new star’ problem by implying that the planet has enough juice for another shot, something that the Ackbar line doesn’t imply.

On the other hand, the Ackbar scene nixes the argument that the X-wing attack is now just an act of vengeance, especially if it is coupled with the Snoke scene.

Feels a bit jarring imho. Also the scene Rey and Finn looks spedup?

Here’s a full-sized version of the firing sequence, if a anyone would like to test it out on their audio equipment!
https://mega.nz/#!DYYQXBaS!aohr1KhLoJLegDGn7ZcNKPRiaTdmPm_Bc3Yes84Z20w

Thank you! The center channel is not just for dialogue, and so I’m not surprised to hear other sounds there.

Here’s my best attempt at implementing a revised X-wing sequence with Ackbar. Same as before, not perfect, but I don’t think anything stands out in a bad way.
https://vimeo.com/221590694
password: radio

I think the Black Leader line makes sense in the context of the scene. After all, Ackbar didn’t mention how the Oscillator was damaged.

As for the new implementation, it still feels like Ackbar isn’t talking with the X-wings. In my version I had reversed the shot so that Ackbar looked from Taslin Brance to the viewer as if addressing someone else, and I think that works better. It also needs something by way of introduction. I used a line from ROTJ, but surely there’s something that will work better.

Sir Ridley said:

Glad to see everyone’s busy with interesting ideas! I’m currently trying to finish the Maz’s Castle sequence with a surround mix.

How’s the timecode removal going? I only ask because the deleted scene is the last major thing I need to do right now.

https://vimeo.com/221635774 (password = radio)

Quick mockup of some of this, what it might look like