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Episode 3: Fan Editing Ideas Discussion — Page 7

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Here's my two cents on editing suggestions. (I've only seen the movie once so far, so forgive me if my memory is a little rusty.)

First, that "You're beautiful." line followed by "That's because I'm so in love with you," then, "No, it's because I'm so in love with you." or whatever needs to go.

Second, as others have mentioned, Anakin's change from remorse over Mace Windu's death to proclaiming Palpatine as master is too abrupt and unbelievable. I would suggest cutting the scene right after Anakin is crying saying, "What have I done?" I would also eliminate the scene where he slaughters the younglings because it simply doesn't work. (Look, killing children is something I might do three days after joining the dark side - two days at the earliest. But certainly not within the first five minutes!)

In this reedit, we later see him fly to Padme and tell her how he's going on a mission (to kill the Trade Federation Viceroy) and restore peace. His motivation is hidden from us at this point, because we have not yet seen Palpatine declare him as Darth Vader, so we're unsure what he's planning. Then, we see Obi-Wan view the security recording of Palpatine. At that point there is a flashback cut to the actual scene of Palpatine declaring Anakin as Darth Vader. I think it works because even though the flashback picks up right after Anakin says, "What have I done?", our brain thinks there was a gap between the two moments and tries to fill it in with whatever dialogue our imagination can produce, making Anakin's transition to the dark side seem less awkward. Afterwards, when Anakin offers Padme the chance to rule beside him and overthrow the Emperor, we sense that maybe his motivation all along was to play along with Palpatine in an attempt to get out of this mess unscathed which he created for himself by attacking Windu.

I would also be curious if anyone has any idea on how to reconcile the Empire dialogue where Obi-Wan says, "That boy is our last hope." and Yoda says, "No, there is another." It certainly doesn't make sense if Obi-Wan was present at the birth. I suppose the easiest solution is to remove this exchange from Empire, but I always liked that final line from Yoda.
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rennervision, you have some fascinating ideas.

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Originally posted by: rennervision
I would also be curious if anyone has any idea on how to reconcile the Empire dialogue where Obi-Wan says, "That boy is our last hope." and Yoda says, "No, there is another." It certainly doesn't make sense if Obi-Wan was present at the birth. I suppose the easiest solution is to remove this exchange from Empire, but I always liked that final line from Yoda.


What's to say that Yoda is even referring to Leia? In the end it turns out to be Anakin as the last hope. Leia didn't do anything spectacular in Return of the Jedi.

Even if you were to interpret his line as meaning Leia, I don't think Obi-Wan felt her all that capable, nor the force as strong in her.
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Originally posted by: Faid
Originally posted by: rennervision
I would also be curious if anyone has any idea on how to reconcile the Empire dialogue where Obi-Wan says, "That boy is our last hope." and Yoda says, "No, there is another." It certainly doesn't make sense if Obi-Wan was present at the birth. I suppose the easiest solution is to remove this exchange from Empire, but I always liked that final line from Yoda.


What's to say that Yoda is even referring to Leia? In the end it turns out to be Anakin as the last hope. Leia didn't do anything spectacular in Return of the Jedi.

Even if you were to interpret his line as meaning Leia, I don't think Obi-Wan felt her all that capable, nor the force as strong in her.


In fact, IF you accept that GL had the 'twins' thing planned all along, Obi-Wan *again* seems like a manipulative prick because he knew who Leia was when he saw the original hologram projection of R2, not to mention when the group ended up on the Death Star and went to rescue her. Not that Ewan did a bad job in his acting, but BEFORE the PT I actually liked and respected Ben- the PT make the Ben of the OT (and Yoda) look like asses instead of mentors.
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Heh... I thought the PT (mostly just episode III) made them seem alot wiser in the OT, but I guess if you look at it that way, they do seem like jerks.
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hey magnoliafan-

just wanted to say how much i enjoyed your ep1 and ep2 re-edits. not sure which ones i have (sounds like you may have cut them a couple times). they've caused a sensation at my work (we're all artists and star wars nerds). i'm really looking forward to your re-edit of ep3. actually, a friend said after he saw RotS to his wife, "now i can't wait to see that guy's re-edit of this movie!" thanks to you and all involved for all the hard work!!
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OK guys, if you've seen my posts here and on "Things you DID like about Episode III" you know about my reasons for wanting to switch the Owen and the Tarkin scenes at the end. So pleeeease, those here who want to make a fan edited version, MagnoliaFan and whoever else does it: please switch those two scenes!
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Although there are 2 versions of Episode I and II, the second versions have yet to be released.
I really didn't want to end up making a dozen versions, revising every fifteen minutes like LFL does these days, so I had held off on releasing them. I'm really now trying to take the three edits of stand alone films and tightly weave them into a trilogy, and then take the six films and tightly weave them into one saga.
Rik and MBJ can vouch for the effectiveness of the end result, even when it comes to *gasp* make changes to the holy trilogy.
It is possible to make even them more powerful.

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Oh, HELL yes. You guys are in for some great surprises.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MagnoliaFan
Although there are 2 versions of Episode I and II, the second versions have yet to be released.
I really didn't want to end up making a dozen versions, revising every fifteen minutes like LFL does these days, so I had held off on releasing them. I'm really now trying to take the three edits of stand alone films and tightly weave them into a trilogy, and then take the six films and tightly weave them into one saga.
Rik and MBJ can vouch for the effectiveness of the end result, even when it comes to *gasp* make changes to the holy trilogy.
It is possible to make even them more powerful.


Now there Mags- I haven't heard talk like THAT since a certain whiny little boy fell to the Dark Side!
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I mentioned this before but to reiterate something must be done about Yoda's speech impediment. It made me cringe several times. It is almost as if George Lucas is parodying the original Yoda, who had a few language eccentricities but nothing close to prequel Yoda. My suggestion is to change the wording of the most awkward lines so they sound more natural. What comes to mind is just before the Senate fight when Yoda is about to activate his lightsaber. I could not believe what I was hearing.
Republicans suck.
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"Away put your weapon" is more garbled than anything in the prequels.

"Around the survivors a perimeter create"

"A prophcey that mis-read, may have been" (OK so that one is a bit awkward)

It seems that Yoda speaks as if he's translating Latin literally into (Basic) English, putting the verb last.

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Wrong with you what is? No problem with Yoda's talking I see . All in your head it is.



MagFan, thanks for taking the time to do all of these re-edits. You've definately helped to contribute to the amount of people that have come to these forums (myself included, because I wouldn't be posting here if I hadn't heard about the re-edits and found these boards), as well as the Star Wars experience. I can nitpick tons of things about TPM and AOTC, but only one thing about your edits. That one thing being the garbled backwards language. But even though it is a bit offsetting, the subtitles and character redemption it gives as a result more than make up for it. Thanks again, and I can't wait to see how FotR turns out.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
"Away put your weapon" is more garbled than anything in the prequels.

"Around the survivors a perimeter create"

"A prophcey that mis-read, may have been" (OK so that one is a bit awkward)

It seems that Yoda speaks as if he's translating Latin literally into (Basic) English, putting the verb last.

A little quirky pronounciation goes a long way. We already established his speech pattern, but important lines should have come more naturally. In ESB, Yoda's speech is just more abbreviated than anything else:

LUKE: Han! Leia!

The two packing boxes and Artoo fall to the ground with a
crash, then Luke himself tumbles over.

YODA: (shaking his head) Hmm. Control, control. You must learn control.

LUKE: I saw...I saw a city in the clouds.

YODA: Mmm. Friends you have there.

LUKE: They were in pain.

YODA: It is the future you see.

LUKE: Future? Will they die?

Yoda closes his eyes and lowers his head.

YODA: Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future.

LUKE: I've got to go to them.


Imagine the following scene with more convoluted dialogue... we the audience wouldn't have been able to focus on the intensity of the moment. Or mind allows us to hear Yoda-speech without being forced to listen to it:

LUKE: (panting heavily) I can't. It's too big.

YODA: Size matters not. Look at me. Judge me by my size, do you? Hm?
Mmmm.

Luke shakes his head.

YODA: And well you should not. For my ally in the Force. And a
powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy
surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we...(Yoda pinches
Luke's shoulder)...not this crude matter. (a sweeping gesture) You must
feel the Force around you. (gesturing) Here, between you...me...the
tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and that
ship!

LUKE: (discouraged) You want the impossible.

(raises X-Wing from swamp)

LUKE: I don't...I don't believe it.

YODA: That is why you fail.


What if that final line was:

"Fail, that is you why" or somesuch nonsense.
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I know this is off topic, but I saw Magfan mention this and I don't want to forget it.

Redoing the entire 6 movies? Will they be offered for our viewing pleasure in the very near future?

BTW, let me tell you that Magfan's edits of Ep I and II have gone around the office and all of my friends...and they side with me. They're considered great movies. Star Wars caliber, instead of the subpar quality of the originals.

Look what a few cuts and additions can do to a movie.
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I was just reading another forum and found people arguing that some of those Jedi we see being taken out by clones might not have died from the blaster fire. The utter lack of impact wounds led some to believe the bolts could have been fired on stun. This is another thing I would change. In fact, since nobody else seems to share my artistic vision, I will pay somebody with the technical skill to make my perfect version of this film become a reality. Who wants the job?
Republicans suck.
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I already said this in a different topic, but I'll say it here too. Anyone making an edit of the PT, could you please replace the Fox Logo and the LFL logo with the original ones so that they match the OT? Also, the opening crawl in the PT is orange and not yellow. Could you change this too so that all the crawls are yellow? That would be really cool.

Also, there was nothing wrong with Yoda's talking in the PT.

Also, Darth Raven, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about, then you must mean Aayla Secura (spelling?). She is suppose to appear in the TV show, and Lucas had already said that she'd have lots of "adventures" after RotS, and yet a scene of her dying was put in. If you pay attention to the scene, the Clone Troopers start shooting her but there are no burn marks from the blasters on her when she falls down, and there are burn marks on the ground. Also, after that, it gives us an overhead view and her body is under a big leaf, and even though she already fell to the ground, all the Clone Troopers keep firing at her, and some even move forward. So, some people came up with the theory that she used the blaster absorbing thingy that Vader did in ESB, and then she ran away.

And I too would pay for someone to make me my own "perfect" versions of each of the films. Although I hate the SEs, there are some things I wouldn't mind having in. And even though Mag's edits are better than the originals, there are still some things I would change to better suit my tastes. But I don't plan on paying anyone right now... Maybe later.
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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel

And I too would pay for someone to make me my own "perfect" versions of each of the films. Although I hate the SEs, there are some things I wouldn't mind having in. And even though Mag's edits are better than the originals, there are still some things I would change to better suit my tastes. But I don't plan on paying anyone right now... Maybe later.


I would have paid George Lucas to make a 'perfect' version of the PT... lol.
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Aayla Secura, that is who I was thinking about. I do not believe the lack of burn marks to mean anything other than lazy thinking on the part of George Lucas. Sort of like Anakin Skywalker melting the Nemoidians and barbecuing Count Dooku's limps. It does not fit previous continuity, but it was made to look that way. Also, are you sure Darth Vader absorbed the blaster bolts in The Empire Strikes Back, or did he merely block them with his artificial hand?
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From what I've read, he actualy absorbed the laser bolts and then added them to his own force power.

And about the Aayla Secura thing, I don't really know if I believe it either. It's just one of the many theories I've read. I actually could care less if she lived or not, because I didn't like her that much. Shaak Ti on the other hand, was a kickass Jedi.
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Obi-Wan *again* seems like a manipulative prick because he knew who Leia was when he saw the original hologram projection of R2


Yoda does mention waiting till the time is right or something to the effect in RotS, so maybe ANH Ben was just keeping from overwhelming Luke. maybe..
BUT..
He also doesn't recognize the two droids, granted we've been shown similar R2 units and Protocol Droids in TPM as well as Empire.. so it's a hard call. Unless Jedi Senility is a force power.

I must say I've enjoyed myself for hours here since I've joined and gotten over myself
Many thanks all around!

And MagFan, RESPECT! and many thanks for the breath of fresh air!
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I shall sit here patiently waiting for the next edit[s]!
I'm not moving.. sitting right... here.. in this spot.. waiting..

oh yeah, and i think that 'Maternity Droid' needs a better soothing mantra then 'Oooba Ooooba'

again.. waiting.. =)
Even if it was perfect, someone would be upset.
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Originally posted by: TK-420

oh yeah, and i think that 'Maternity Droid' needs a better soothing mantra then 'Oooba Ooooba'


Pfftt.. hahahahahaha!!

I swear, that maternity droid is nightmare material for children... Was I the only one disturbed dy it?
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Actually, I think that Obi-Wan did recognise the Droids. He's just pretending not to, same as Leia. If you pay attention, he calls R2 "old friend" several times. The Alec Guinness plays the part (perfectly ) you can almost hear in his voice that he knows the Droids. I think the way Alex Guinness played the roll, you could almost of put anything in the PT and his acting would of made it seem true, or at least likely. He has this very vague sense in all his lines... And his face always looks as if he knows something he's not telling anyone.

What I wonder, is if Darth Vader notices R2 when he shoots him in the Death Star trench. He worked with R2, for what... 13 years?
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After watching the prequel trilogy, and viewing A New Hope after episode 3, I've come to the conclusion that the transition works surprisingly well thanks to Lucas' good storywriting and McGregor's performance as Obi Wan. However, A New Hope has always been the odd one stylisticly. Visually, after the SE changes, it helps the transition. Pacing is a bit slow for a SW movie, but it's not too annoying. The real sore thumb of Episode 4 is the music.
Darth Vader skulking around. No Imperial theme. That's my biggest problem. I think the Planet of the Apes-type movements for action sequences are very noticably out of place, there needs to be the reintroduction of the Imperial theme when Darth Vader makes his first entrance. If there's ANYTHING I want Magfan to do to with A New Hope, it's to give us Darth Vader with his theme music in his introduction. That's all. I'll take the CG Jabba. I'll take the droid humor, and I actually like the Dewbacks. I just want to hear at least some form of the imperial march instead of that pre-ESB villain fanfare music. Who's with me?

On a side note, I'll be very interested in MagFan's version of the trilogies, but at the same time I've come to appreciate George's prequels and I am excited to buy the final official set.
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I think Rennervision's hit the nail on the head for inproving that scene. Maybe instead of having it where he mentions it, what if it's inserted to the shot of Anakin staring at the sun on Mustafar. It could be more on him musing on how it came to this.

I think it would definitely help in end as a flashback scene..


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