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Fang Zei said:

Just an idea, but do we think it’s worth telling them exactly what we would want to see included in an ideal release?

What I’m picturing would mirror the Blade Runner set rather closely, with the final version (plus a few “final” surprises if that rumor about Han shooting first again has any weight) on disc one and the unaltered version on disc three. For ANH, the '81 crawl should be branched in as an option on the unaltered disc.

The middle disc could be the '97 version (timed to how it actually looked in '97) with the '04 and '11 edits branched in. The '04/'11 changes are few and far enough between that I feel like they could be easily branched if the disc is primarily the '97 version. It would provide interesting historical context like the three different versions of the Krayt dragon call, Boba Fett’s voice, different Emperor hologram and cgi Jabba, and Luke’s scream in ESB.

I’d settle for just the '97 version’s inclusion without '04 and '11 but I really do think '97 should be there. It’s the version that started this whole debate in the first place and it was shown in theaters in a major re-release.

But, is that what we want?
I just want the theatrical trilogy. I don’t care what they do with the other versions.
If I have to buy this big package just to get the three I want, that’s ok, but I think adding that to the list of demands is clouding the real issue.

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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I too only want the OOT. I will never watch the Special Editions again and having to buy them would irritate me. Especially anything beyond an OOT/2011 version two pack.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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lovelikewinter said:

I too only want the OOT. I will never watch the Special Editions again and having to buy them would irritate me. Especially anything beyond an OOT/2011 version two pack.

Truth be told, I’d probably never watch them again either. It’s really more for the sake of having a historical record of the various revisions to the films, and also preserving them for the fans who might prefer one specific version over another. But I’d gladly settle for George’s preferred version from the new 4k master and not having to buy the same transfer that was used for the dvds I watched back in 2004.

Besides, preserving the other versions is what places like this are for anyway.

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I’m pretty much against the ultimate-boxed-set approach. At least for quite a long time, the only way to buy the theatrical cut of Superman on Blu-ray, for example, was to buy a big-ass boxed set, with not only the Special Edition of Superman, but all the other movies, including multiple cuts of Superman II.

Now yeah, I bought it–because I’m a sucker–and now I have the movie I want and a bunch of shiny new coasters. There was also quite a while where the only way to buy Raiders of the Lost Ark on Blu was to buy it with all its attendant coasters. Fortunately I was able to wait that one out until it was available as a single.

Having to buy a bunch of swag just to get the movie you want is crappy. I don’t even think the trilogy should be bundled. Only want Empire? Fine, go for it.

Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)

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double post while editing

A Goon in a Gaggle of 'em

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JawsTDS said:

(namely TPM and ESB).

Very aware of the problems with TPM, but haven’t heard ESB used as an example of where the blu-rays hit their worst. Do you mind elaborating? I’m quite curious. The blue shift is intense and all but I don’t know how it’s any worse than the rest of the OT.

sidenote: I can’t figure out this text editor for shit anymore and it makes me feel hella old.

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I want all cuts to be available so that everyone is happy.

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Fang Zei said:

Slavicuss said:

Except in the example of Blade Runner the workprint actually was the first version shown to the public. Granted, it was only for test audiences before the wide release, but even then it’s more relevant to Blade Runner since its accidental discovery years later is what led to the director’s cut.

Fox didn’t meddle with Star Wars the way Perenchio and Yorkin did with Blade Runner. George hated the “lost cut” and fired his original editor. His only “enemy” was the technological limitations of the time, although he can’t really use that as an excuse for stuff like Greedo shooting first.

I meant that to mirror the BLADE RUNNER box set (in content) the work print could be included.

Not that I think the ‘lost cut’ would ever see a commercial release.

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Yes echoing what has been said, history is what it is. It got a bunch of awards, it got a bunch of terrible alterations. These things are part of how it all went down. I just want them to stop pretending the Blu Rays are the version that always existed. Just stop messing with people, some of us still remember when we were at war with Eurasia.

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I would accept a hybrid or revamped SE with some changes rolled back even.

But you might be right 2011 is probably classed as final cut. But the 97 version looked decent so I would hope it looked like the 97 version rather than 2004 or 2011.

But anyway this is not something any of us can have any say in.

Original film long overdue a release.

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CatBus said:

I’m pretty much against the ultimate-boxed-set approach. At least for quite a long time, the only way to buy the theatrical cut of Superman on Blu-ray, for example, was to buy a big-ass boxed set, with not only the Special Edition of Superman, but all the other movies, including multiple cuts of Superman II.

Now yeah, I bought it–because I’m a sucker–and now I have the movie I want and a bunch of shiny new coasters. There was also quite a while where the only way to buy Raiders of the Lost Ark on Blu was to buy it with all its attendant coasters. Fortunately I was able to wait that one out until it was available as a single.

Having to buy a bunch of swag just to get the movie you want is crappy. I don’t even think the trilogy should be bundled. Only want Empire? Fine, go for it.

Glad I’m not the only one who just bought Raiders. I did buy the big Superman set, because I wanted the Documentary and the Fleischer cartoons in HD.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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bkev said:

JawsTDS said:

(namely TPM and ESB).

Very aware of the problems with TPM, but haven’t heard ESB used as an example of where the blu-rays hit their worst. Do you mind elaborating? I’m quite curious. The blue shift is intense and all but I don’t know how it’s any worse than the rest of the OT.

sidenote: I can’t figure out this text editor for shit anymore and it makes me feel hella old.

The DNR on ESB is the worst of any of the OT. During the escape from Cloud City, there’s a wide shot of the crew running back to the Falcon. Because of the aggressive DNR, parts of Leia’s legs are erased for a few frames. This occurs throughout the film and lots of important detail is lost.

“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017

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http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707

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About the letter.

Do you think mentioning Mike Verta and legacy would be a good idea?
Something like. We know about Mike Verta and legacy so don’t give us that no decent copies exist any more Crap.
But phrased more carefully.

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I wouldn’t want to say or do anything to imperil Mike’s project. I’m sure they know we know that they know we know. 😉

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Where were you in '77?

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This whole ad needs to be cut DRASTICALLY.

Simplicity is key.

They’re well aware of how we feel.

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Man, I got so sidetracked bringing up the '97/'04/'11 versions that I forgot all about how I want the theatrical prequels as well!

Oh, and the 120-minute Imax cut of AotC I never got to see, just for curiosity’s sake.

I know it will probably never happen and those versions will most likely be lost to history, but I could just as easily see LFL putting together multi-disc deluxe sets for each individual movie and charging a premium for them.

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Fang Zei said:

Man, I got so sidetracked bringing up the '97/'04/'11 versions that I forgot all about how I want the theatrical prequels as well!

Oh, and the 120-minute Imax cut of AotC I never got to see, just for curiosity’s sake.

I know it will probably never happen and those versions will most likely be lost to history, but I could just as easily see LFL putting together multi-disc deluxe sets for each individual movie and charging a premium for them.

If a huge multi-disc monstrosity of a box set, covering all the films and versions (and all previous extras) were ever released, I would buy it instantly. Stuff the price.

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A few iterations later this will change into a picture of Phillip J. Fry with the text “Shut up and take my money”

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Just a small thing, but can we make sure we get the ‘format’ correct:

According to the official website of the Blu-ray Disc Association it’s “Blu-ray” - lowercase ‘r’ and a hyphen.

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I did like the part where it also mentioned “modern cinema” and not just blu-ray, although I suppose one takes priority over the other.