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The Force Awakens: Official Review Thread - ** SPOILERS ** — Page 146

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I have a 7 year old daughter who has spent a lot of time running around in her Rey costume with her lightsaber over the last year.

She loves Rey (and Jyn)

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My nine and six year old girls also love Rey. Although some days they say Rey is their favorite, other days it’s Yoda.

Haven’t let them watch RO yet.

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TV’s Frink said:

My nine and six year old girls also love Rey. Although some days they say Rey is their favorite, other days it’s Yoda.

Haven’t let them watch RO yet.

Ha - I actually have 2 girls (7 and 4) and they watched Rogue One with me in the theater.

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Thread is starting to get seriously derailed…

Popped into the end of the thread to checkout recent comments on people’s thoughts about TFA and all I’ve been reading about for the past few pages is about whether Rey is a Mary Sue, why the term Mary Sue is sexist, whether Rey is a good role model or not…

I guess its all on topic in a way but I was expecting more “movie review” style posts 😉

.Valheru

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It’s just so unbelievable in The Empire a Strikes back when Luke makes the lighsaber come to him in the wampa’s cave. I mean, he didn’t see anyone do that and wasn’t trained on it by Obi Wan. I wonder why they decided to make him so overpowered?

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rodneyfaile said:

It’s just so unbelievable in The Empire a Strikes back when Luke makes the lighsaber come to him in the wampa’s cave. I mean, he didn’t see anyone do that and wasn’t trained on it by Obi Wan. I wonder why they decided to make him so overpowered?

Hey, this thread is for scoffing at The Fourth Awakening, not The Empire Strikes Back.
Take it to the Batman thread.

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Everything went right for Luke in Star Wars. He learned the Force, joined the Rebellion, blew up the Death Star, and got a medal. Almost everything went wrong for him in The a Empire a Strikes Back. He got shot down in his snowspeeder, crashed his X-wing in a slimy mudhole, his friend got frozen in carbonate, got his hand cut off, and found out Vader is his father.

I think it will bet the same with Rey. She was large and in charge for TFA, but I bet she has some serious setbacks in store for TLJ. I think that tone contributes greatly to how popular TESB is.

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rodneyfaile said:

It’s just so unbelievable in The Empire a Strikes back when Luke makes the lighsaber come to him in the wampa’s cave. I mean, he didn’t see anyone do that and wasn’t trained on it by Obi Wan. I wonder why they decided to make him so overpowered?

  1. He was already established as being strong in the Force from ANH, and it had been several years since that. It would be stranger if he hadn’t progressed at all on his own.

  2. This was early in the movie, where the filmmakers were re-establishing our leads and giving us an idea about how they had changed. Such a scene is essential character work.

  3. The music and cinematography sold the fact that something impressive and magical was going on.

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NeverarGreat said:

rodneyfaile said:

It’s just so unbelievable in The Empire a Strikes back when Luke makes the lighsaber come to him in the wampa’s cave. I mean, he didn’t see anyone do that and wasn’t trained on it by Obi Wan. I wonder why they decided to make him so overpowered?

  1. He was already established as being strong in the Force from ANH, and it had been several years since that. It would be stranger if he hadn’t progressed at all on his own.

  2. This was early in the movie, where the filmmakers were re-establishing our leads and giving us an idea about how they had changed. Such a scene is essential character work.

  3. The music and cinematography sold the fact that something impressive and magical was going on.

+1. I really find the comparison between Luke and Rey doesn’t work at all.

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NeverarGreat said:

rodneyfaile said:

It’s just so unbelievable in The Empire a Strikes back when Luke makes the lighsaber come to him in the wampa’s cave. I mean, he didn’t see anyone do that and wasn’t trained on it by Obi Wan. I wonder why they decided to make him so overpowered?

  1. He was already established as being strong in the Force from ANH, and it had been several years since that. It would be stranger if he hadn’t progressed at all on his own.

  2. This was early in the movie, where the filmmakers were re-establishing our leads and giving us an idea about how they had changed. Such a scene is essential character work.

  3. The music and cinematography sold the fact that something impressive and magical was going on.

Great points and they all ring so true.

.Val

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NeverarGreat said:

It’s been over a year since the movie came out, so just about everyone’s given their review. All that’s left are the inevitable discursive posts investigating the minutia.

Fair enough, will start from the start of the thread where there are such threads 😉

.Val

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rodneyfaile said:

Everything went right for Luke in Star Wars. He learned the Force, joined the Rebellion, blew up the Death Star, and got a medal.

You seem to have forgotten the part where he whined and got bossed around by his Uncle. Then the part where he did a stupid and let the droid wander off. Then there was the time he got his ass kicked by a sand person and was being dragged around unconscious on the ground. Then there was that time his aunt and uncle got murdered and his home was destroyed. Then when he went to Mos Eisley he nearly got killed in the cantina. Then while training against the droid he got blasted over and over again before finally succeeding.

He also got dragged under the water and nearly drowned in the trash compactor. He had to look on helplessly while his mentor was killed. He watched nearly all of his comrades get shot down and die during the final battle.

And then he won.

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Alderaan said:

rodneyfaile said:

Everything went right for Luke in Star Wars. He learned the Force, joined the Rebellion, blew up the Death Star, and got a medal.

You seem to have forgotten the part where he whined and got bossed around by his Uncle. Then the part where he did a stupid and let the droid wander off. Then there was the time he got his ass kicked by a sand person and was being dragged around unconscious on the ground. Then there was that time his aunt and uncle got murdered and his home was destroyed. Then when he went to Mos Eisley he nearly got killed in the cantina. Then while training against the droid he got blasted over and over again before finally succeeding.

He also got dragged under the water and nearly drowned in the trash compactor. He had to look on helplessly while his mentor was killed. He watched nearly all of his comrades get shot down and die during the final battle.

And then he won.

Exactly. The statement that “he learned the force” makes absolutely no sense. Luke barely was able to do shit with the force. Compare the development of his abilities to Rey. Luke BARELY force pulled his saber a short distance in the SECOND movie of his trilogy. Rey was able to snatch that thing quite firmly across a much greater distance and then beat a force-trained leader of the Knights of Ren. She also could do a god damn mind trick in her first movie! Luke tried deflecting just a few laser bolts and it took him a few go arounds to get good at it. Then we see him fail even more in Empire. Luke is far from a Mary/Gary Sue/Stu character. He fails again and again and has MANY weaknesses that are shown in full light by the means of the screenplay. Rey does have a weakness which is that she does not want to accept her destiny and she is afraid to leave Jakku. But that never comes to fruition. After she gets the force vision, she runs away, then gets captured, which shows her weakness. Now we wait to see the implications of such weakness and how it will affect the story. It ends up meaning absolutely nothing since she simply escapes after besting Kylo Ren in a mind game, then uses her mind trick skills to escape, and then promptly ends up beating Kylo.

Luke’s desire to save his friends and the stupidity that can come with that are shown again and again throughout the entire trilogy and it comes full circle when he learns to control such weakness and use that compassion to ultimately end up believing in his father and helping to redeem him. This is the one biggest issue that I can see leaking into episode 8 which is that Rey is not set up for much of an arc currently.

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I guess the answer is that Rey must have more midichlorians.

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You’re a funny guy imperialscum

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Tantive3+1 said:

imperialscum said:

rodneyfaile said:

I guess the answer is that Rey must have more midichlorians.

No, the answer is: TFA is shit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw0IR6fJlV0

Great video. At 2:33, he partially confirms what I have been saying so far. Even though Luke was supposed to be a central part of the story and plot objective, the film goes on about completely unrelated crap. Instead of Luke’s disappearance driving the plot through gradually uncovering mastery behind his past decisions and actions, the film is a random collection of rehashed elements that does nothing for the plot.

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