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Disco_Lobot said:

Cobra Kai said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

So I went back and watched the unedited clip. She literally says the Special Editions are his. She says she wouldn’t touch the SEs. No kidding. Literally no surprising info there, and should have no bearing on a potential release (or non release) of the theatricals.

Weird I just now saw that unedited clip. Yep, she had absolutely no clue what he was talking about and then he finally specifies that he’s talking about altering the “special editions”.

And not that it matters much, but she actually says “I haven’t touched those” instead of “wouldn’t.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZO0_yYvmxo

That was a terrible and stupid way to ask that question.

A much better way would be “Do you think there might ever be a release of the original theatrical versions alongside the definitive versions so that collectors and fans can see the evolution of the rich history of these films?”

Yeah, that was terrible. And who knows - he may not have even been talking about the original versions in the first place.

“In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be “replaced” by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten.” - George Lucas

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Now that I’ve watched the youtube clip no one should be at all surprised by Kennedy’s reaction. The questioner wasn’t very clear other than making additional changes to the SE editions.

I am not surprised at all at Kennedy’s reaction - what else would anyone expect her to say?

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Cobra Kai said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I think the “are you kidding” implies wouldn’t.

Yeah I know it doesn’t really change anything. The unedited clip though is interesting and makes it even more clear to me that she wasn’t even thinking about the theatrical versions.

Yeah, he completely dropped the ball on his question, she was so completely lost for a while there as to what he was trying to ask, and then was excited to get out a simple answer and move on once she thought she figured out where he was going with it. Off of this impromptu interview alone, I don’t think there’s any cause for new speculation either way about the state of the OOT, just that there’s some confirmation of what was already obvious, there’s no further SE tweaks going on without George.

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yoda-sama said:

Cobra Kai said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

I think the “are you kidding” implies wouldn’t.

Yeah I know it doesn’t really change anything. The unedited clip though is interesting and makes it even more clear to me that she wasn’t even thinking about the theatrical versions.

Yeah, he completely dropped the ball on his question, she was so completely lost for a while there as to what he was trying to ask, and then was excited to get out a simple answer and move on once she thought she figured out where he was going with it. Off of this impromptu interview alone, I don’t think there’s any cause for new speculation either way about the state of the OOT, just that there’s some confirmation of what was already obvious, there’s no further SE tweaks going on without George.

I’d be shocked if a saavy executive like Kennedy made any kind of pronouncement about the release of the OOT in an unscripted format like that.

From what I saw, she probably suspected that the guy was trying to bring up the controversy over some of the SE changes and whether they might be modified. Not surprising that she has no interest in discussing anything along those lines.

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Still, there’s not a single shred of evidence, that an OOT release is in the works, or that they’re even considering the possibility in the near or distant future. All the info sadly points in the opposite direction, even if the Kennedy interview is disregarded. Pablo Hidalgo, the Disney restoration people, and even Mike Verta’s intial interactions with Disney sadly point to a lack of interest of all parties involved.

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I might have an orange in my desk drawer right now. Or I might not.

Discuss.

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Ah orange, it’s King’s day tomorrow in Holland. Everything will be orange, as the our royal family is known as the house of Orange. It is true! They are originally from the town called Orange in France. It’s great!

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TV’s Frink said:

I might have an orange in my desk drawer right now. Or I might not.

Discuss.

Uh both? Or neither…

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TV’s Frink said:

I might have an orange in my desk drawer right now. Or I might not.

Discuss.

Is it an original orange or a special edition like a tangelo or a clementine?

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It could be remastered and seedless. I hope it’s not in a can like some poor quality transfer.

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Also, is that orange from a permanently altered supply that can only provide oranges of the same characteristics as the one that may or may not be in said drawer

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DrDre said:

Ah orange, it’s King’s day tomorrow in Holland. Everything will be orange, as the our royal family is known as the house of Orange. It is true! They are originally from the town called Orange in France. It’s great!

I went to the Klock Rock Orange festival in 2014. Lot’s of great bands and people.
Fun fun fun!

Ray’s Lounge
Biggs in ANH edit idea
ROTJ opening edit idea

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I wish TV’s Frink would just open the drawer already and release it. Just address the issue. Is there an orange or not, and what kind of orange is it?
If something isn’t done soon, I say we work on growing our own oranges and distributing them online.

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There is no orange, only Zuul…

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Where were you in '77?

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I recommend “Harmy’s orange juice concentrate.” It’s the closest we can get to an original orange.

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What exactly does it mean for the negative to be disassembled?

The negative has been conformed to the SE since 1997. George decided to cut the changes directly into the negative because, as far as he was concerned, the SE was the official version of the movie now.

We recently got confirmation from the relevant person at Fox that the pieces of the negative replaced for the SE were indeed put into storage and not discarded.

I think I remember reading on zombie’s website that the negative need not be disassembled to reconstruct the unaltered version. Because a modern restoration would be done digitally anyway, they would simply need to take a scan of the o-neg as it is now, scan in the pieces that got replaced, and rebuild everything in the digital realm.

For further context, the negative is the first-generation source for the footage used in the final cut. They are also without any color timing as that comes later in the process, and unlike a 35mm print, which is a few generations down from the negative, there is only one layer of grain to deal with (this is not the case with SW as there is optical compositing).*

*if I’ve made any mistakes, please correct me.

Would any IPs or separation masters still be usable and around?

Nothing I’m reading here suggests ANY hope for a remastered OOT.

The separation masters are still intact, as are other film elements closer to the o-neg than the theatrical prints.

Robert A. Harris emphasized several years ago that “these assets are well-protected.” If a user on the blu-ray.com forums is to be believed, Disney has been meticulously going through every last piece of Star Wars film material and scanning them in. It’s simply a matter of time … and of timing.

I hate to be eternally negative, but A) why believe this, and B) how much time?! I’m not getting any younger.

Combining the separation masters will not yield the same quality as that which can be derived from a scan (or even a photochemical replication to a first generation interpositive) from the original negative.

A massive chunk of the original negative was lost/damaged beyond repair from the scene where Supes confronts Lex Luther in Superman The Movie.
For the restoration in 1999, they recombined the separation masters to recreate that scene.
But the colors were slightly out of sync and the resolution noticeably compromised.

Lucas has already gone on record saying that the separation masters for Star Wars were not preserved correctly(Fox were to blame).

So the original negative is the only salvation for Star Wars.

So we’re fucked, essentially.

Yes we are. It was such a fucking great idea for George to tamper with the restoration with pointless CGI on films HE DID NOT EVEN MAKE when they were already in such bad conditions.

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You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.

Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also

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Disco_Lobot said:

You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.

Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also

The OT are not just mere films; they have become far more than that in just a mere four hours of content. So for Lucas to change even ONE thing is the worst act of cultural barbarism in film history. The OT should be kept pure, EXACTLY as it was on the day each film was released. There should be no SE whatsoever; but George’s decision to make it the ONLY version you can watch, why that’s beyond unforgivable. For Disney to continue this shameful reign of terror makes them even guiltier of perpetuating one of the worst cultural erasures of the last 25 years. They are lost films now, I can’t accept a world where the original versions can’t legally exist.

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generalfrevious said:

Disco_Lobot said:

You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.

Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also

The OT are not just mere films; they have become far more than that in just a mere four hours of content. So for Lucas to change even ONE thing is the worst act of cultural barbarism in film history. The OT should be kept pure, EXACTLY as it was on the day each film was released. There should be no SE whatsoever; but George’s decision to make it the ONLY version you can watch, why that’s beyond unforgivable. For Disney to continue this shameful reign of terror makes them even guiltier of perpetuating one of the worst cultural erasures of the last 25 years. They are lost films now, I can’t accept a world where the original versions can’t legally exist.

Meh - I don’t see a problem with the SE versions as long as the Theatrical versions are still made available.

I mean - does anyone care that the LOTR films have 2 versions available?

I agree with you though that refusing to make culturally signficant films available is pretty bad.

Unfortunately this is all a consequence of the ridiculous state of modern copyright law. It’s completely unbalanced and entirely perverted from it’s original purpose. There’s no reason a film should be copyright protected for more than 20-40 years. The theft from the public domain during the 20th and 21st century has been a travesty

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generalfrevious said:

Disco_Lobot said:

You know - if they could just take out the Greedo shooting thing, the Jabba Scene in ANH and the Vader Nooo I could probably live with the rest.

Although I really, really would like to get rid of Jedi Rocks also

The OT are not just mere films; they have become far more than that in just a mere four hours of content. So for Lucas to change even ONE thing is the worst act of cultural barbarism in film history. The OT should be kept pure, EXACTLY as it was on the day each film was released. There should be no SE whatsoever; but George’s decision to make it the ONLY version you can watch, why that’s beyond unforgivable. For Disney to continue this shameful reign of terror makes them even guiltier of perpetuating one of the worst cultural erasures of the last 25 years. They are lost films now, I can’t accept a world where the original versions can’t legally exist.

Excellent comment!