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I think all of us in this discussion are grounded in reality. We just take joy in using this MASSIVE story that spans 40 years to explain how it all comes together.
The Jedi are all but extinct.......
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And to me, I have no problem keep such disparaties in their own places. I know that there is an effort to make everything mesh to, but just as the open architecture of PCs leads to numerous incompatibilities, so does the very nature of several writers giving their own takes on Star Wars stories. Just as with the films, some books are good, and some books are crap. You just have to be realistic about what was intended, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
And to me, I have no problem keep such disparaties in their own places. I know that there is an effort to make everything mesh to, but just as the open architecture of PCs leads to numerous incompatibilities, so does the very nature of several writers giving their own takes on Star Wars stories. Just as with the films, some books are good, and some books are crap. You just have to be realistic about what was intended, rather than throwing the baby out with the bathwater.


Oh I know. And trust me- I LOVE to nitpick movies... much to the hatred of my close friends. I haven't posted my full review of ROTS, but I will say my initial reaction was... ho-hum. NOT because of plot points or this-not-matching-that because I gave up any hope of that after seeing TPM. My main problem with ALL the prequels was that they were, IMHO, just not very good examples of filmmaking. I've seen some movies that were brilliantly crafted and scripted that I haven't liked the 'story' but I found these films devoid of internal consistency, clarity, true depth of character and, frankly, technical prowess. And before people jump on that last part, CGI- good or not- does not a well- crafted film make. I doubt anyone would deny ILM has the skills to pay the bills, but they're only as good as the project that they are creating.
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"I doubt anyone would deny ILM has the skills to pay the bills"

LOL..I like that.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Oh come on. I wasted time as a kid following those stupid Marvel comics ... only to see them undone with each movie. I read Splinter of the Mind's Eye and all those other books that were tossed out of the canon. I *tried* to dip my toes in the expanded universe in the 90's, and most of that is gone, too. Even the movie novelizations contradict the films!

There's more Star Wars that contradicts the films than not ... so much so that it's hardly worth following the expanded universe. Whatever Lucas publishes today can't be trusted tomorrow .... except for the films, and he can't even keep those straight. It's really not some big puzzle that all comes together in the end ... in fact that's one of the main reasons I find Sith so disappointing. Stuff like wiping C3PO's memory or tossing in the Death Star 20 years ahead of time is akin to cutting a jigsaw puzzle piece with a pair of scissors to make it fit with the larger puzzle ... cut enough pieces of the puzzle and it no longer forms a clear picture when completed.
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Fine, Asha.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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My thoughts on the movie:

The beginning was clunky, and a bit overrated. You'd think the Trade Federation would upgrade their battledroids after seeing just how inept they are at every turn. And I see GL caved to the PC Police and changed the trade fed voices to sound "less ethnic".

****Spoilers ahead****

Again, in the beginning time seemed to drag, and the acting as always seemed to be comprised of the players reading their lines off a teleprompter, like a newsreader. Portman and Christensen were especially bad, and if I were Portman I'd shoot my hair stylist. Awful in the beginning. McGregor was better than he was in the first two. McDermaid: IMO, he deserves at least academy nomination. He really held the film together nicely. Dooku met his fate much too quickly.

The battle between Windu and Palpatine: Well done, if a bit contrived. As usual the idiot good guy has the bad guy where he wants him, then hesitates just long enough to insure that 25 years of havoc would follow.

Gen Grievous: I did not see all of Clone Wars, so I'm not really sure what everyone's problem was with him, and I also don't know why he was coughing and sneezing all the time. On the accusation that he was too easy to defeat: I disagree. He made a good chase of it.

The battles and duels were first rate, of course, although it seems at times that they were "twirling" their blades just to look good, as opposed to any real reason. The battle between Yoda and Palpatine was awesome, but the one between Obi-Wan and Annakin was definitely the highlight of the movie, and is probably the best overall duel in any of the 6 films.

The ending: It was surprisingly well tied together into the events of Episode IV. The awakening of Vader was going pretty good until they made it look like Frankenstein. I was waiting for Palpatine to scream "It's a-liiiiiiiveeee!" and the cliched "NOOOOOOO!!!!" scream.

The binary sunset at the end almost brought me to tears, as I think the original one in ANH is the most powerful scene in the saga.

Overall, I rate it as good as Jedi, not better...definitely worthy of the Star Wars name.

Nemo me impune lacessit

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Originally posted by: Jaster Mareel
You make a really good point with the Kamino thing, but there's one thing about your post slightly off.

The Jedi DIDN'T want to train Anakin. Yoda, Mace and all those guys were against it, and then Obi-Wan said he would do it if they allowed him to or not because Qui-Gon Jinn told Obi-wan to.

So, if Palp REALLY wanted Anakin inside the council, he would of put him on Courasant. There's just no possible way he manipulated things enough to make it so that Qui-Gon would find him on Tatooine, then even though the Jedi council said not to, he would still be trained...

I mean, even if the Jedi found him, they still wouldn't of trained him, and Palp just got lucky that Qui-Gon was the one that found him... Any other Jedi, including Obi-Wan if it wasn't for Qui-Gon, would NOT of trained Anakin because of his age, and then he'd probably just be sent back to Tatooine to be with his mother.

I just don't understand how Palp could organize and manipulate something like that in that way. It just doesn't work...

Though, the "Christ-like birth" is an even worse idea, so maybe we should just go with this explanation.



My thoughts are that if Palps and his master were manipulating midichlorians, then it could be that during their experiments Anakin came about by (un)happy accident. No one would necessarily have to know of his existence at all. Another thought just popped into my mind... Perhaps Palpatine's master perfected the art of creating life from midichlorians and created Palpatine (after all, he is pure evil) and then once Palpatine became the master, he decided to try his hand at midichlorian experiments, didn't quite know what he was doing, and created something no one would have known about except for a twist of fate.
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I still don't get why people don't like the idea of the Force creating Anakin. Yoda even says that it's a component of life, yet for some reason, it's now allowed to create a life? *shakes head*

"On the accusation that he was too easy to defeat: I disagree. He made a good chase of it."

There were several times where Grevious could have used more than one of his four blades to attack Obi-wan after blocking his saber. As cool as 4 lightsabers looked, Grevious (and in that regard, Gillard) did not create a reasonable fighting technique to necessitate having or fully utilizing four blades. Go back and watch what Maul did with two, and how Obi-wan responded, and get back to me.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Just saw ROTS last night and I pretty much agree with JediSage (and Jay) on all points they made. I finally found myself genuinely sympathizing with some of the characters (especially Obi-wan and Yoda), and was able to be drawn into the story, which didn't happen with TPM or AOTC. I was truly moved by the tragedy of Anakin and Obi-wan trying to kill each other after being so close for so long ("You were like a brother to me! I loved you!"...that line really got me!). Also the shot of Yoda dropping his staff and clutching his chest during the Order 66 montage...so sad!! I'm glad that Yoda didn't get his ass kicked by Palpatine as that would have been even more depressing. I love the part where he's absorbing the lightning with his hands, the camera closes in on his determined face, and he shoots it right back at Palpatine, throwing him over the side. Yoda kicks ass!

Greivous was lame, especially after how built up he was in Clone Wars. Darth Vader/Frankenstein scream=absolutely ridiculous. THAT should have been left on the cutting room floor. Not the Darth Vader I know from the OOT.

Although the Mace Windu/Palpatine duel was done pretty well overall, there was just something weird about that scene that bugged me. Maybe it was Mace's death, which wasn't very noble. Christ, he was fried for a good 10 seconds by Palp's force lighting and thrown out the window! It would have been better if Anakin had just cut off his hand or killed him outright and have him fall out the window. The lightning (and Palpatine's associated laughter/screaming) was just too much. I think I was just bothered overall with how inept the Jedi seem in the entire PT (except for Yoda). Although I guess part of their downfall was because they had indeed grown too arrogant (as Yoda mentions in AOTC).

Yes, there were some (very) cheesy moments and dialogue ("Not if anything to say about it have I") but it was definitely a vast improvement over the previous 2 films. I'd agree with JediSage and say that it was as good as, but not better than, ROTJ (I was young enough to like the Ewoks and really enjoy ROTJ when it came out in '83). None of the prequel films match the OOT IMO, but ROTS comes close! I'm looking forward to seeing it again digitally projected at the Metreon here in San Francisco (in a few weeks after the crowds dissapate).
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I just saw it for the second time last night, and instead of diminishing in my eyes(like TPM and AOTC did), it was actually better the second time around.

Now I can say with definity, like so many others on this board are saying, that it *does* deserve the name Star Wars.
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi
I still don't get why people don't like the idea of the Force creating Anakin. Yoda even says that it's a component of life, yet for some reason, it's now allowed to create a life? *shakes head*

"On the accusation that he was too easy to defeat: I disagree. He made a good chase of it."

There were several times where Grevious could have used more than one of his four blades to attack Obi-wan after blocking his saber. As cool as 4 lightsabers looked, Grevious (and in that regard, Gillard) did not create a reasonable fighting technique to necessitate having or fully utilizing four blades. Go back and watch what Maul did with two, and how Obi-wan responded, and get back to me.


Probably nitpicking, but while Grievous did say that he was trained in the Jedi Arts by Dooku, I would hesitate to say that those skills made him equal to that of a Jedi. Yes, the saber duel was too easy, but the overall battle with him was not.
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I still don't get why people don't like the idea of the Force creating Anakin. Yoda even says that it's a component of life, yet for some reason, it's now allowed to create a life? *shakes head*


Lucas was bludgeoning the audience over the head when he had Palpatine tell Anakin that the dark side allows its masters to manipulate midichlorians in order to create life. The first thing I thought of when he said that was Anakin's virgin birth. If Lucas only meant to address the plot point of preventing Padme's death, he only needed to stress the capability of the dark side to prevent death and prolong life, not create it.

I watched ANH and ESB last night on laserdisc (THX "faces" editions). There are so many lines of dialog that contradict the prequels in subtle ways, I have a hard time taking Lucas' storytelling seriously. I share the same lack of faith in the so-called "canon" of the films. Either Lucas hates the OT so much that he didn't even bother to watch it before writing the prequel scripts, or the Jedi are such manipulative, self-serving liars that their whole way of life is bullshit heaped on top of more bullshit.

I find it telling that the "rebellious" Jedi whom the council held down due to his defiance was the first to achieve enlightenment and maintain consciousness after his death. To paraphrase Obi-Wan, "If you just did what you were told, you'd be on the Council." Maybe Qui-Gonn didn't give two shits about being on the Council. Perhaps he cared more about the Force and the Jedi way of life than he did about attaining power.

No offense to the Catholics on the board, but I look at the Jedi Order as a mirror of the Vatican: founded on good intentions, but seething with so much arrogance based on their own self-righteous view of the universe that they no longer enforce the ideals they claim to represent. The Jedi are a political faction on par with modern day Bible thumpers, and they play the political game as well as any of the politicians they detest--except for Palpatine, of course, who schools everyone in the art of politics and manipulation.

I have also long thought and totally agree with the idea that the prophecy of bringing balance to the force meant the eventual destruction of the Jedi order and the two vs. two scenario (Yoda/Ben vs. Palpatine/Vader). In the minds of the Jedi, bringing balance meant the destruction of the Sith, which is what made them so arrogant. That's not balance, and an objective observer would not see it as such. Again, Lucas bashed us over the head when he had Yoda mention the possibility that the prophecy may have been misread.

When Yoda and Obi-Wan admitted failure, I realized the prequels are just as much about the fall of the Jedi Order as they are about the fall of Anakin, and that gives them more meaning than I previously believed they possessed.

Thankfully, my ability to ignore plot holes and inconsistencies over a 40-year arc is strong. I don't take this as seriously as some fans, but it's fun to debate.
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Although they were exellent points Jay, it seems that Lucas is writing all this stuff as he goes along.
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"Probably nitpicking, but while Grievous did say that he was trained in the Jedi Arts by Dooku, I would hesitate to say that those skills made him equal to that of a Jedi. Yes, the saber duel was too easy, but the overall battle with him was not."

The Clone Wars, OS, and his onscreen lightsaber collection all show him to be quite the "Jedi killer". I don't doubt that the "overall battle" was difficult for him, since it had to be so. I'm just saying that it could have been choreographed better. If he's got four lightsabers, then he should use four lightsabers as much as possible. Otherwise, there's no real advantage.

I think the crucial difference is, Ray Park was better trained at using and choreographing a double-ended lightsaber (i.e. bo staff), than ILM was with four. The TPM duel is extremely believeable and enthralling because you can see that Maul is going all out on Qui-gon and Obi-wan. In point of fact, despite his actual death, despite being two-on-one, he did kill one Jedi, and had the other cold.

Greivous simply didn't come across as the killing machine he was supposed to be.

"he only needed to stress the capability of the dark side to prevent death and prolong life, not create it."

While I understand where you at getting at, I must tell you now that I see the "Dark Side" of the Force simply as misuse of the Force. The Force is the Force, and as Palpatine stated, the Jedi and Sith are very similar - they all use all the same powers. The lone exception being becoming "One with the Force", though for the obvious reason that the Sith work against the Force.

Secondly, as ROTS and the OT clearly show, this power was never used. Even Yoda says "Strong am I in the Force, but not that strong". This is something that is not possible. Therefore, this was another lie by Palpatine to get Anakin to do his bidding. In fact, Palps tells Anakin that he was taught this power, and then after Anakin becomes Vader, he tells Vader that, together, they will learn how to do it.

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Palp: "Unfortunately, he told his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep."
Anakin: "Just help me save Padme's life. I can't live without her.

Palp: "She'd live, through the power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I'm know we can discover the secret."


That, right there, tells you that he can't do it, so to turn around and claim that Palpatine used this power to create Anakin flies in the face of logic - though this doesn't seem to stop people who simply don't like the concept of a "Virgin birth" for whatever reason.

Looking over that scene again, it occured to me: I wonder if Lucas is making a veiled reference to what happened to Qui-gon. There's still no real indication that Plagueis was Palpatine's master, so he apparently doesn't have first-hand knowledge, but what if somone prior to Qui-gon had become one with the Force as well, and this is the "power" that Palpatine aludes to, and is actually seeking? That makes much more sense (though if it is the case, Lucas did a poor job of explaining that, and leaving out Qui-gon is made even that much more dumber.)

"I find it telling that the "rebellious" Jedi whom the council held down due to his defiance was the first to achieve enlightenment and maintain consciousness after his death. To paraphrase Obi-Wan, "If you just did what you were told, you'd be on the Council." Maybe Qui-Gonn didn't give two shits about being on the Council. Perhaps he cared more about the Force and the Jedi way of life than he did about attaining power."

I believe that as well. Yoda's tune changes considerably between the PT and the OT.

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OBI-WAN : I have a bad feeling about this.
QUI-GON : I don't sense anything.
OBI-WAN : It's not about the mission, Master, it's somethging...elsewhere...elusive.
QUI-GON : Don't center on your anxiety, Obi-Wan. Keep your concentration here and now
where it belongs.
OBI-WAN : Master Yoda says I should be mindful of the future...
QUI-GON : .....but not at the expense of the moment. Be mindful of the living Force, my young
Yoda: This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away...to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing.


"I have also long thought and totally agree with the idea that the prophecy of bringing balance to the force meant the eventual destruction of the Jedi order and the two vs. two scenario (Yoda/Ben vs. Palpatine/Vader). In the minds of the Jedi, bringing balance meant the destruction of the Sith, which is what made them so arrogant. That's not balance, and an objective observer would not see it as such. Again, Lucas bashed us over the head when he had Yoda mention the possibility that the prophecy may have been misread."

Do you think "Balance" was also brought about by the destruction of Alderaan as well? Do you think "Balance" was brought about by Anakin requiring a walking lung? Not every event that led up the the fulfillment of the Prophecy needed to be required as part of the Prophecy. Not to mention that the "two vs. two scenario (Yoda/Ben vs. Palpatine/Vader)" always convenientally ignores Luke. If, as you say, Yoda and Obi-wan have learned their lesson by the OT, then what has happened to Balance, then? Does Balance waver as Obi-wan and Yoda die? Keep in mind, also, that Obi-wan and Yoda both eventually become one with the Force, so even if one were to think that their belief structure is still too screwed up to absolve them, the Force apparently believes otherwise.

"Thankfully, my ability to ignore plot holes and inconsistencies over a 40-year arc is strong. I don't take this as seriously as some fans, but it's fun to debate."

Agreed. I don't mind people supporting the PT and bashing the OT, as long as it is well debated. I've carried opposing arguments simultaneously in different threads at TFn many times. Those were the days.....

" Although they were exellent points Jay, it seems that Lucas is writing all this stuff as he goes along."

As to the whole "Ghost" scenario: Obi-wan was originally supposed to have survived ANH (and Vader die.) "Yoda" had to be created after the fact because Lucas no longer had an old Jedi master to train Luke.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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Saw the movie again last night (digital screen, didnt notice any differences) but when i got home i watched the end of Empire (had started empire before i had to leave for the movie) and i noticed some parallels.

First, I was starting to get fed up with a lot of the thought processes/comments on the board as of late, it had seemed the new movie brought a lot of trolls to the board and i was ready to take a break until they left, but Jay's and MeBe's last posts restored some of my faith in SW fans.

I really think the point about Qui-Gon and the Fall of the Jedi Council are good points. After the first mention of 'the prophecy' my take has always been that in the end anakin does restore balance, just not as the Jedi thought, and this takes my own thoughts so much further in this respect.

As far as Anakins father and Palpatine's master. After seeing it again last night, Palpatine only refers to it as a 'Sith Legend' he never says it happened long ago. So it makes more sense that Plagueous was Palp's master and Palps told the story as he did because he wasnt quite ready to reveal himself as the Sith Lord and also it sounds more impressive as a Legend than, 'back a few years ago...'

Also, creating life and keeping life alive are two different things. Its possible that Palpatine could have masterd the ability to 'create' life through the force, but not prevent death. Also, Im not really sure if i think that Palpatine created Anakin or if it was his master. But i agree that apparently his master didnt teach him 'everything' he knows. And also, like Palps said, his master was unable to save himself from death.

I also found Anakins 'turn' more convincing this time around as well. I think the turn is actually taking place the whole movie. Palpatine is constantly placing seeds of doubt in Skywalkers mind. At the end Anakin is essentially loosing everything because of the conflict and desperatly wants the power to stop the lose, the fear of loosing Padme is too much for him, he doesnt want another lose like that of his mom's again. So he chooses to 'believe' in Palpatine's ability to help him save her because he cant stand to loose the one thing he cares about most. Then at the end (his dual with obi-wan) he's basically lost padme, he's lost obi-wan, all he has left is the promises of the Emperor and that what he is doing is the right thing. I know im not really expressing this as well as im thinking it, but I think it fits with the Vader we know in the OT. The part that really made me realize this, and will hopefully get my point across, was when i went home and watched ESB and during the Luke/Vader fight Vader says to Luke 'Join me and together we can rule the Galaxy as father and son' , and a comment about 'putting an end to this conflict' and since i had just watched Episode III less than an hour ago I was reminded of the scene where he tells Padme, 'I can overthrow the Chancellor, we can rule the Galaxy together and make things right, the way we want' or something along those lines. So ultimately all Anakin really wants is to restore Peace to the Republic and he believes (he has to because if he doesnt then he himself has destroyed everything he believes in) that what he is doing will achieve that. Similar to his comment in Episode II where he tells Padme that 'someone should make them agree' when she said 'who you?' he said no, but maybe he thinks that person is Palpatine, or that Palps is at least a good choice. It would seem that when talking with Luke and Padme, his thirst for power has somewhat taken over and he wants that position. But either way its clear that he thinks thats the way to ensure peace.

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Why Anakin really turned to the dark side:
"Anakin, You're father I am" - Yoda
"No. No. That's not true! That's impossible!" - Anakin

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some or all of the above comments are partially exaggerated to convey a point, none of the comments are meant as personal attacks on anyone mentioned or reference in the above post
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Palps: Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis, the Wise?

Anakin: No.

Palps: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend.


If we were to take this at face value, and assume the Jedi know about this legend (as implied by Palps), then the story has to be over a thousand years old, since the Sith were considered gone by that time. (Note: I'm guessing Palps says this to make Anakin feel like the Jedi are keeping secrets from him.)

If the Jedi don't know about this story, then his comment about Anakin having heard about it is suspect, and suggests a lie.

If Palpatine is making it all up to begin with (as I believe), then none of this can be taken for granted - especially the power to create life, which conveniently is brought up by Palpatine during the time that Anakin is having dreams of his wife dying. Does no one else see the correlation there?

And again, this power is never used nor seen since, and Palps even says they will have to discover the secret, which shows even more what a trememdous lie this is.

"Also, creating life and keeping life alive are two different things. Its possible that Palpatine could have masterd the ability to 'create' life through the force, but not prevent death."

*I* would agree with you, but Palps does not.

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Palp: "She'd live, through the power only one has achieved, but if we work together, I'm know we can discover the secret."


So he's either making this power out to be more than it is, or he's just making it up as he goes along. I think you know where my belief lies in this.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

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While we are on the subject of Palpatine and manipulation.......during the Mace/Anakin/Palpatine scene I noticed something....Palpatine "seems" to be using that ole "jedi mind trick" on Mace to manipulate Anakin with words that were used by him previously in the Anakin/Dooku duel......

Palpatine: (after Anakin beheads Dooku) You did good, he was too dangerous to keep alive...

Later, in the Mace/Palpatine duel....Palpatine groveling about being too weak....

Mace: I'm going to end this once and for all
Anakin: You can't, he must stand trial
Mace: He has control of the of the Senate and the courts, he's too dangerous to be kept alive......

Mace seems to be conflicted mentally while Palps is stating he is too weak...and the rest is history. It is nice to see this sort of consistency with this movie as it is carried over into the OT with the Emperor braging about everything going as he has planned it ....including the "disfiguring story" he feeds to the senate to manipulate them, this guy is one big evil. It seems a shame that Lucas wouldn't have had @ least some of the jedi be able to pick up on such a strong evil presence in the force so close to them sooner(making Mace's death more honourable).

I also disagree with some on the voice change of Palpatine being a part of his battle with Mace and the force lightning, being proven in his words to Anakin in the Dooku battle, his true voice seems apparent early on (albeit maybe by accident over the exhiliration of the moment) when he tells Anakin to kill Dooku........all in all, I need at least a second viewing on the big screen just to take in all the elements this movie seems to carry........




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Wow. People actually liked this film when it was first release. It’s crazy comparing these reviews to the ones we see on this site nowadays. What did you think of the film when you first saw it?

Not enough people read the EU.

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I liked it when it first came out, still think it is OK and a massive step above the first two prequels. The flaws have been made more clear with hindsight and Plinkett-esque scrutiny, but it’s still (mostly) an enjoyable enough watch to me, certainly compared to the other two. Practically no Jar Jar and love scenes, and finally a plot that actually goes somewhere, actually has some kind of emotional depth, and actually ties in neatly to the OT.

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It was one of the better PT films, but it still sucked.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

END OF LINE

(It hasn’t happened yet)

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Reading back through this thread has been entertaining, to say the least.

The Dark One said:

I’m not even goint to attempt a review of “Sith” because I am still stunned. In my opinion it is one of the best, if not the best, of the Star Wars movies.

This is the movie that I’ve been waiting for since I first saw Star Wars way back in 1977.

I know I had a higher opinion of it when I first saw it than I do know, but come on!

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NeverarGreat said:

It will be interesting to look back on our first impressions of TFA in a decade.

I would imagine a lot of the “problems” I give a pass and even defend now, may not sit as well with me in a decade, but we’ll see. I’m sure I’ll always have fond memories of TFA, just as I have fond memories of ROTS, even though I quite dislike the movie with the benefit of hindsight.