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Are the Prequels Even Worth Watching Once? — Page 7

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I’d recommend admiring the poster art of the prequels.

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I’d say yes, watch them. In order to really understand what’s going on in Star Wars and where the Jedi screwed up, we need to see how lazy and comfortable they got in the prequels. Not only that but there are some other messages in there that are worth looking out for. E.g. in Revenge of the Sith when Palpatine gets elected chancellor and declares martial law (I forgot how it goes in the movie) and suspends congress, Padme says: “So that’s how democracy dies with thunderous applause”. There’s a lot more to that than just a quirky line.

The best order to watch them in was suggested by someone on YT, they said 4, 5, (1,) 2, 3 and 6. 1 being optional after ESB. My 2 cents

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MalàStrana said:

Watch the 2 hours “Clone Wars” cartoon, it depicts Anakin exactly the way Ben does in ANH.

If you are referring to the Clone Wars Micro-Series I would agree. That is IMO the best thing to emerge out of all the prequel material. It’s IMO much better than the Clone Wars TV Series.

As to the OP - I think anyone who is a Star Wars fan should probably watch them at least once…although for a first time watcher I’d argue that release order is mandatory.

If you want to watch the saga all the way through for whatever reason I to think the machete order is the best (although I’d probably now go RO-ANH-TESB-TPM-AOTC-ROTS-ROTJ-TFA)

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Katarnan said:

In order to really understand what’s going on in Star Wars and where the Jedi screwed up, we need to see how lazy and comfortable they got in the prequels.

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I do think people don’t give the prequels enough credit. They’ve given me a lot of material to work with in writing academic papers for my film major, and while the crux of film studies and theory is over-scrutinization and analysis of what is essentially entertainment, there is a lot of stuff in the prequels that I’ve found has been significant and/or subversive to film form, production, and storytelling. Not in the context of Star Wars for original trilogy fanboys ofc, just in the context of film history. Obviously only in the last 20 years, and much quieter than the original’s immediate cultural phenomenon status.

They may not have the objective strength as quality films alone, but there’s diegetic ambition and symptomatic relevance in these films that shouldn’t be overlooked because Hayden doesn’t like sand and Jar Jar Binks issa bombad.

I’m not even saying that the changes to the industry brought on by the prequels were good, either. But for better or for worse, they are significant films. It is probably more worth it to read about and study them as opposed to watch them for entertainment purposes, but even then, there is value in how the prequels continue play a role in the development of future generations; kids who don’t know too much better and do enjoy them.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc

not a Jedi apologist or a Jedi hater but a secret third thing

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NFBisms said:

I do think people don’t give the prequels enough credit. They’ve given me a lot of material to work with in writing academic papers for my film major, and while the crux of film studies and theory is over-scrutinization and analysis of what is essentially entertainment, there is a lot of stuff in the prequels that I’ve found has been significant and/or subversive to film form, production, and storytelling. Not in the context of Star Wars for original trilogy fanboys ofc, just in the context of film history. Obviously only in the last 20 years, and much quieter than the original’s immediate cultural phenomenon status.

Well it may be subversive to avoid giving your actors direction, or sets, or making concept art and models before the script is finished… I don’t see it myself. Entertainment doesn’t have to be massively intellectual, but it’s not always an exercise in blowing millions on a slapped together project; most cultural touchstones are a bit more meaningful and well planned. The cultural status of the PT is questionable at best. People know Jabba the Hutt, Princess Leia, Lando, Chewbacca. There isn’t anything to be said about Mace Windu, The Trade Federation or Little Ani…

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Right, and the prequels have massive faults like that (although to be fair, some of those aren’t true), but in a cultural context, the prequels do hold significance to the current state of blockbuster, digital film making, and mainstream storytelling.

No one’s studying the prequels as an example of good filmmaking, obviously, but its ambition with technological innovation and strides made with the concept of diegesis in film worlds is worth discussing in an analysis of where the industry is now, where we are today as a critical audience, and what the “general audience” as a phrase means to a studio when it comes to making movies. It’s a little more academic and admittedly pretentious, than whether or not a character or faction in them was iconic. It’s more to do with cultural shift, rather than revolution or phenomenon.

And we shouldn’t downplay the trilogy’s effects on the generation(s) that have and will grow up with it. Sure, these particular films coast on the brand name established by the OT, but they’re there, and are introductions to more complex ideals that aren’t in a lot of works directed at a younger audience. The same way Luke Skywalker taught us “basic” good vs evil lessons (I’m being reductionist fyi), there are plenty of implicit morals in the PT that wouldn’t hurt towards better equipping someone in dealing with where the world is today. There is plenty of substance in these films, despite its objectively poor direction. It’s allowed to resonate with people, especially those not educated about what makes it objectively weak, in spite of that poor direction. Not everyone thinks and scrutinizes the same way a film student or critical OT fan does.

To get anecdotal rather than academic about it, try not to think about it as “either or” the OT or PT, because a kid nowadays grows up with both (As well as the ST and spinoffs now I suppose). Additionally, the only reason we know so much about what went wrong with the PT is that we can analyze the incredibly well documented process through the wealth of special/bonus features released with the DVDs - but that kind of thing being easy access definitely inspires aspiring filmmakers.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc

not a Jedi apologist or a Jedi hater but a secret third thing

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Sure I was one of those kids. Kids are stupid. I saw the whole prequel trilogy in theatres and didn’t have a lot of complaints at the time. We hit each other with sticks after the screening, re-enacting TPM after seeing the climactic duel. It’s embarrassing but I was one of those ROTS fans when it came out. But people change and we grow up, some later than others. While something like The Lord of the Rings got better when rewatching, cementing its status as a high point for the genre, the prequel DVDs gathered dust and were eventually cleared out. I’m not being critical just as an OT fan, but as a film fan. All the lofty ideas can’t save them from becoming tedious and badly written.

If you look at it all as one whole, you have to admit that only certain things stick. Is Podracing still a thing? The Clone Wars might not have been so popular without all those TV episodes lifting it up. They made TFA the way it is exactly because of those ‘general audiences’. They are still making enough plastic R2D2 merchandise to destroy the world’s oceans several times over, so the real cultural impact is still 1977 not 1999.

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NFBisms said:
Not in the context of Star Wars for original trilogy fanboys

Just a few weeks ago you called out someone for showing a lack of “general respect”, I think you called it, for fellow members and fans. In the future, perhaps you could think about the negative connotation that term now carries.

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You’re right, I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that term held as much negative weight as calling others stupid or inferior. But it does apparently. So I apologize for offending you. I just assumed we were all a little thicker skinned, since we seem to be fine dishing it out. I was also calling myself a “fanboy” to be fair.

I am sorry, hopefully no one misconstrues me as disrespecting them.

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Sure I was one of those kids. Kids are stupid. I saw the whole prequel trilogy in theatres and didn’t have a lot of complaints at the time. We hit each other with sticks after the screening, re-enacting TPM after seeing the climactic duel. It’s embarrassing but I was one of those ROTS fans when it came out. But people change and we grow up, some later than others. While something like The Lord of the Rings got better when rewatching, cementing its status as a high point for the genre, the prequel DVDs gathered dust and were eventually cleared out. I’m not being critical just as an OT fan, but as a film fan. All the lofty ideas can’t save them from becoming tedious and badly written.

If you look at it all as one whole, you have to admit that only certain things stick. Is Podracing still a thing? The Clone Wars might not have been so popular without all those TV episodes lifting it up. They made TFA the way it is exactly because of those ‘general audiences’. They are still making enough plastic R2D2 merchandise to destroy the world’s oceans several times over, so the real cultural impact is still 1977 not 1999.

I don’t disagree with you. I just have a different point, and I honestly think it’s fine for other people to not really care about it, because it’s not something most people have to think about. And in that way, you’re absolutely right. The PT doesn’t have the same amount of impact as the originals do. I even said that.

But I don’t think it should be outright dismissed because of that. I don’t blame people if they do, ofc. The movies aren’t great IMO. And a lot of why they were allowed to have the impact they did is because of the originals, anyway.

Andor: The Rogue One Arc

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The prequels definitely tried some interesting things (watch the History doc “The Legacy Revealed” if you haven’t) and there were a lot of really compelling ideas bubbling under the surface. Ultimately, though, sometimes what they were trying to do can’t overcome how they were doing it. Even if you have a good idea, if you can’t effectively tell it, then the idea might as well be moot. Remember the phrase “a good story, well told.” George Lucas is undoubtedly a visionary but ultimately his skills as a filmmaker were somewhat lacking.

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If you want to have an honest opinion on them and not just follow what the popular opinion is, then yes. Watch them once and be the judge

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I’ve had people tell me that Blade Runner was boring for them. Watched it for myself and loved it.

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If you don’t think the PT looks good from whatever you’ve see of it (trailers, scenes, ect), you’re certainly not going to be won over by the nonsensical story and annoying charters.
If you think what you’ve sen of the PT looks cool, then maybe you can also stomach all of the stupidity and poor craftsmanship and enjoy some of the visual … blandness? (ok, some shots looked good)
Same goes for Blade Runner. You heard it was no good, but were interested in what you’d seen/heard so watched it anyway and liked it.
Also, Blade Runner is actually a good film, so that’s very different. Even if it isn’t your ‘cup o tea’, you’d be a fool to say it isn’t a well made film.

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ray_afraid said:

If you don’t think the PT looks good from whatever you’ve see of it (trailers, scenes, ect), you’re certainly not going to be won over by the nonsensical story and annoying charters.
If you think what you’ve sen of the PT looks cool, then maybe you can also stomach all of the stupidity and poor craftsmanship and enjoy some of the visual … blandness? (ok, some shots looked good)
Same goes for Blade Runner. You heard it was no good, but were interested in what you’d seen/heard so watched it anyway and liked it.
Also, Blade Runner is actually a good film, so that’s very different. Even if it isn’t your ‘cup o tea’, you’d be a fool to say it isn’t a well made film.

My original point was this. Don’t call a movie good or bad if you haven’t seen it

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I don’t need to see a Smurfs movie to know it is bad.

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Well, I tend to like to keep an open mind. But yeah, if you’ve seen trailers for a film and it doesn’t look good, and if you know the previous work of the filmmakers isn’t good, and if critics or people you trust say it’s not good, then yeah it’s probably not good. Even then, you never know, I’ve seen movies that have surprised me. But still it’s usually probably better not to waste your time if the chances are high that it’s bad.

For the prequels, it really depends. There are a lot of people out there who love them (and critics didn’t universally hate them). So yeah it depends. You may hate them, you may not.

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DominicCobb said:

The prequels definitely tried some interesting things (watch the History doc “The Legacy Revealed” if you haven’t) and there were a lot of really compelling ideas bubbling under the surface. Ultimately, though, sometimes what they were trying to do can’t overcome how they were doing it. Even if you have a good idea, if you can’t effectively tell it, then the idea might as well be moot. Remember the phrase “a good story, well told.” George Lucas is undoubtedly a visionary but ultimately his skills as a filmmaker were somewhat lacking.

I’ve long felt that the issues with the PT were almost all in the execution. A better director and some script-doctoring could have produced some much better films

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CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Could you imagine Carrie Fisher script-doctoring the supposed romance scenes?

Didn’t she do some re-writing on the scripts as a favor? You could only do so much I suppose, with everyone else telling George how wonderful he is. Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman are no Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher either.

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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lovelikewinter said:

CHEWBAKAspelledwrong said:

Could you imagine Carrie Fisher script-doctoring the supposed romance scenes?

Didn’t she do some re-writing on the scripts as a favor? You could only do so much I suppose, with everyone else telling George how wonderful he is. Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman are no Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher either.

Must not have done that much. It’s crazy how bad some of the lines are that made it in:

“I think it would be wise for you to take advantage of my knowledge in this instance”

I mean seriously - WTF?

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“I think it would be wise for you to take advantage of me.”

Fixed!

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I thought she only worked on TPM. I have no idea where I read that, though, so I might be totally wrong.

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A good script doctor only helps if you use what they bring you. I doubt George did.

Where were you in '77?