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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 82

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Jeebus said:

Jesta’ said:

(I’m likely making a mistake expressing an unpopular view to OT purists on an OT biased site. Although I think I made a mistake when I registered.)
8.Attack of the CGI
7.The Force Awakens
(Leaps and bounds better)
6.Rogue One
5.Revenge of the Sith
(Here it comes)
4.A New Hope
3.The Phantom Menace
2.Return of the Jedi
1.The Empire Strikes Back

I’m more wondering why you started with your least favorite movie. Generally these lists start at 1.

Generally these lists don’t rank TPM over ANH, so I wouldn’t go looking for logic where none exists.

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TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

Jesta’ said:

(I’m likely making a mistake expressing an unpopular view to OT purists on an OT biased site. Although I think I made a mistake when I registered.)
8.Attack of the CGI
7.The Force Awakens
(Leaps and bounds better)
6.Rogue One
5.Revenge of the Sith
(Here it comes)
4.A New Hope
3.The Phantom Menace
2.Return of the Jedi
1.The Empire Strikes Back

I’m more wondering why you started with your least favorite movie. Generally these lists start at 1.

Generally these lists don’t rank TPM over ANH, so I wouldn’t go looking for logic where none exists.

Well at least he put TFA in the right place.

真実

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Jeebus said:
I’m more wondering why you started with your least favorite movie. Generally these lists start at 1.

Really? I usually see lists in the least to best format, not on this forum particularly, just generally.

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

Jesta’ said:

(I’m likely making a mistake expressing an unpopular view to OT purists on an OT biased site. Although I think I made a mistake when I registered.)
8.Attack of the CGI
7.The Force Awakens
(Leaps and bounds better)
6.Rogue One
5.Rev
Generally these lists don’t rank TPM over ANH, so I wouldn’t go looking for logic where none exists.

I believe a user has a signature around these lines, “PT lovers can have their opinion, but that doesn’t mean we can’t mock their poor taste.” (Keep in mind that isn’t the exact quote, I’m just going off memory here.) While I agree that your obligated to do so, questioning someone’s logic simply because they disagree with you, or because you have “poor taste” is just sad. Your trying to tell yourself that the guy who disagrees with you is “unlogical” so any argument made by that person should not be taken seriously. I’m taking precautions against that sort of thing.

imperialscum said:
Well at least he put TFA in the right place.

I’m glad you agree.

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There’s nothing wrong with questioning someone’s logic if they’re making nonsensical statements but not on the basis for just liking something. Now bewilderment at someone liking something is completely different. If someone can’t stomach that then I don’t know what to say man.

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If we were talking about in fanedited form I could see ranking a good tpm edit over perhaps ROTJ, but never anh or esb.

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Possessed said:

If we were talking about in fanedited form I could see ranking a good tpm edit over perhaps ROTJ, but never anh or esb.

It’s madness to rank any PT or “Star Disney Whores” films higher than the OT. Period !

People who think TFA is better than ROTJ are as mad as those who think that TPM is better than ROTJ. That’s all folks.

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Lord Haseo said:

There’s nothing wrong with questioning someone’s logic if they’re making nonsensical statements but not on the basis for just liking something. Now bewilderment at someone liking something is completely different. If someone can’t stomach that then I don’t know what to say man.

I’m fine with that. Just trying to prevent being ganged on by Frink and others. I’ve seen it happen before on this forum, and it usually results in someone getting banned. I want none of that.

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WORST STAR WARS FILMS (PT AND ANH ELIGIBLE ONLY)

  1. AOTC
  2. ROTS
  3. TPM
  4. ANH
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Jesta’ said:

Lord Haseo said:

There’s nothing wrong with questioning someone’s logic if they’re making nonsensical statements but not on the basis for just liking something. Now bewilderment at someone liking something is completely different. If someone can’t stomach that then I don’t know what to say man.

I’m fine with that. Just trying to prevent being ganged on by Frink and others. I’ve seen it happen before on this forum, and it usually results in someone getting banned. I want none of that.

That’s why I’ve been trying to distance myself from personal attacks when things get heated. Clinging to the topic at hand for dear life makes things so much simpler.

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One of the key things to enjoying a movie is the suspension of belief. That is how they get away with huge science gaffes all the time. Armageddon is a good disaster movie with compelling characters in spite of the flawed science of its special effects. We tend to ignore fictional space ships that fly through space like planes through air, but it is harder when the ship is not supposed to be quite so fictional. Many movies get around this though bogus explanations. Lucas manages to do that quite well when needed. In TFA, Abrams didn’t even bother (or he cut key scenes that would have helped). I would assume that the First Order would be tracking their Tie Fighters and would know when they crashed. They would know where the Falcon was and immediately move to intercept. That the Falcon zooms away at sublight means it would be easy to track. And the Star Destroyer is just sitting there not giving chase. And then Han and Chewy just happenng across the ship as it randomly zooms away from Jakku… just a very hard scene make it through without thinking of everything wrong with it. Unlike Luke escaping Hot where, like the other rebel ships, zoomed passed disabled Imperial vessels and went to hyperspace immediately (Lucas frequenly forgets to show the ship in Hyperspace and has normal stars outside such as when the Falcon escapes the Death Star and the dialog even says they are in hyperspace).

The worst offender is when Starkiller fires. My science minded brain can only say “Seriously?” and leave it at that for the single worst instance of voilating physics in the entire saga. When you get taken out of a movie like that, it is hard to get back in. TFA is full of lots of great scenes, but it is marred by some of the worst offenses in story continuity and science violation in the entire saga. But not only is the science bad, but there is no explanation of what is going on. The details are completely skipped. Avoiding info dumps is a good thing in general, but providing no information is just confusing. That is something Lucas never did.

And I have great hope that TLJ will exceed the PT and TFA because Rian Johnson has a good track record, both in writing and directing. From the story leaks I’ve read about (same sources that give fairly good spoilers on TFA) it sounds like it is going to be pretty good. We will know in December. I’m hoping I can put it next to Rogue One as fourth or fifth in my ranking. The bar isn’t very high for it to be fifth. I will be very disappointed if a second ST film fails to exceed the PT in my ranking.

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yotsuya said:
That the Falcon zooms away at sublight means it would be easy to track.

Do you have anything to substantiate this or just your own musings?

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Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

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yotsuya said:
And I have great hope that TLJ will exceed the PT and TFA because Rian Johnson has a good track record, both in writing and directing. From the story leaks I’ve read about (same sources that give fairly good spoilers on TFA) it sounds like it is going to be pretty good. We will know in December. I’m hoping I can put it next to Rogue One as fourth or fifth in my ranking. The bar isn’t very high for it to be fifth. I will be very disappointed if a second ST film fails to exceed the PT in my ranking.

Did you say that about Attack of the CGI? I bet you did.

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

The Empire didn’t have an Interdictor cruiser. Also, shame on you for criticizing The Empire Strikes Back 😉

Lord Haseo said:
That’s why I’ve been trying to distance myself from personal attacks when things get heated. Clinging to the topic at hand for dear life makes things so much simpler.

Noted.

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Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well, I could be wrong here, but the Rebels had multiple ships and were armed, while Finn and Rey were stuck in an old junker that they didn’t even know could run or not.

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

What, a man builds a giant mound of dirt in his house and you aren’t entertained?

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SwissArmyTin said:

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

This has always driven me mad!

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SwissArmyTin said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well, I could be wrong here, but the Rebels had multiple ships and were armed, while Finn and Rey were stuck in an old junker that they didn’t even know could run or not.

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

I didn’t mention anything about the Rebels; I was talking about Luke leaving the planet with contemptuous ease even though there were multiple ships in orbit. At least in TFA’s case it was only one Star Destroyer.

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Jesta’ said:
The Empire didn’t have an Interdictor cruiser.

Admittedly I’m lost right now…

Also, shame on you for criticizing The Empire Strikes Back 😉

It’s my favorite film but it’s no where near perfect.

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SwissArmyTin said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well, I could be wrong here, but the Rebels had multiple ships and were armed, while Finn and Rey were stuck in an old junker that they didn’t even know could run or not.

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

[HEADCANON ALERT]

While normal space is 3D, hyperspace isn’t; it’s more like a network of conduits, and the opening to the conduit they need access to to make it to their specific destination happens to reside right where the Imperials are in the way.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

SwissArmyTin said:

Lord Haseo said:

Also posting this because it still baffles me how some can see Rey and Finn escaping as being a problem when there were more ships in orbit during the Battle of Hoth that caused Luke no trouble and that’s fine. I really need someone to explain this to me.

Well, I could be wrong here, but the Rebels had multiple ships and were armed, while Finn and Rey were stuck in an old junker that they didn’t even know could run or not.

Also, in general, Star Wars seems to forget that space is in 3D, so like, the Imperial fleet is only facing one side of the planet in that pic…why don’t they just take off from the other side and jump from there?

[HEADCANON ALERT]

While normal space is 3D, hyperspace isn’t; it’s more like a network of conduits, and the opening to the conduit they need access to to make it to their specific destination happens to reside right where the Imperials are in the way.

Rebels must be infuriating to that headcanon since they make jumps to hyperspace right through gaps in massive Imperial fleets ((DURING BATTLE)) multiple times.

What, a man builds a giant mound of dirt in his house and you aren’t entertained?