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Also this.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
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Trump is such a charged situation. For so many people he represents the epitome of everything wrong in the country, and not in the usual “we have a different ideology” way, but in a plainly moral way. And that’s because the guy is living, breathing scum, an example of a bigoted rich old white guy so perfect as to be a parody of itself. The truth is, the bigotry is right there for anyone looking. And for many that makes him completely unredeemable. And for others it doesn’t change a thing for them (and then of course there’s those who like it). Now obviously you have a right not to mind the man’s bigotry. But for many people they just cannot understand how anyone could brush that aside, especially when that bigotry and ignorance can directly affect them. I’m certainly one to preach tolerance, so I understand Trump supporters who overlooked the troubling aspects. But I also sympathize with those who could not. To dismiss those who are so passionately against him is just as bad to dismiss those who are rationally for him. Both have a perspective and a reason for what many on either side may consider to be their extreme opinions.
I would agree with this, except for classifying Trump as scum. I don’t think it’s helpful to vilify anyone, even terrible people like Hitler, since even villains think that they are basically good people.
I don’t think anyone views Trump as a particularly moral person. The fact that the Left constantly harps on this aspect misses the point that people voted for Trump despite his moral failings, and to some extent, because of them. Not because these people are racist, but because they saw in Trump someone who didn’t apologize, who said what he wanted. This is the exact opposite of the value-signaling that the Left engages in, and in the view of the Right, it weakens us all.
The fact that Trump can say things not based in fact and get away with it is far more powerful and important than if he were to say measured, reasonable things like Obama. The Left has claimed for decades that the Right is living in a world divorced from factual, scientific reality, and so people on the Right may often feel threatened when they attempt to profess their religious/economic/political beliefs. For them, our PC, scientifically minded culture is not liberating, it is oppressive. The Left has the academic and scientific resources to amass a great deal of evidence in favor of their beliefs, and the Right has mostly been relegated to talk radio and extreme Libertarian theory. How could there be a vigorous discourse in our society when the odds are so uneven? I do not mean to imply that the beliefs of the left are better than those of the Right, just that the Left tends toward academia.
To bring it back to Trump, his wanton disregard for facts has quickly leveled the playing field of discourse in this country, much like the A-bomb leveled Hiroshima. This is partly the fault of the Left for not recognizing that they were ever more communicating with themselves and leaving half of the country out, and partly the fault of the Right for insulating themselves in their own bubble. Communication is hard, and it’s far easier to retreat to echo chambers. I hope that we as a nation begin to recognize that we need to build a broad knowledge of facts instead of calling everything fake news, and recognizing that Trump’s solution is ultimately destructive. Merriam Webster says it best, when describing the word ‘trumpery’: worthless nonsense.
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Spot on guys.
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Say goodbye to one of the last remaining bits of bipartisanship (nonpartisanship?) in the US.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-politics-republican-ags-exclusive-idUSKBN16Z1A5
For years the national political organizations of both Democratic and Republican state attorneys general observed an agreement not to target the other party’s incumbent office-holders in elections.
That hands-off stance ended this month when Republican AGs voted to abandon the agreement and spend money to help unseat Democrats in other states, according to the Republican Attorneys General Association. The decision has not been previously reported.
The move comes as Democratic attorneys general in states across the country have assumed lead roles in opposing some of Republican President Donald Trump’s policies. State AGs in Washington and Hawaii successfully sued to block Trump’s executive orders restricting travel from some Muslim-majority countries, and California’s attorney general has pledged to defend the state’s environmental standards.
Republican attorneys general who supported the change reasoned that AGs should join other national political campaigns which target incumbents, two sources familiar with the closed door process said. Additionally, a desire by some to roll back same-sex marriage and the potential for increased corporate contributions played a role in the decision, said the sources, who requested anonymity to discuss the deliberations.
Amazing.
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If Obamacare explodes, it’s because Trump wanted it to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/03/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-obamacare/520947/
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If Obamacare explodes, it’s because Trump wanted it to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/03/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-obamacare/520947/
What?
If Obamacare explodes (it will), it’s because it was designed poorly in the first place.
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If Obamacare explodes, it’s because Trump wanted it to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/03/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-obamacare/520947/
What?
If Obamacare explodes (it will), it’s because it was designed poorly in the first place.
The OMB disagrees with you, but I’m sure you know better.
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http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/03/obamacare-death-spiral
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/opinion/pushing-obamacare-over-the-cliff.html?_r=0
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-next-step-20170327-story.html
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/is-obamacare-going-to-explode-as-pres-trump-predicted
http://www.npr.org/2017/03/27/521441490/fact-check-trump-says-obamacare-is-exploding-its-not
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Trump is such a charged situation. For so many people he represents the epitome of everything wrong in the country, and not in the usual “we have a different ideology” way, but in a plainly moral way. And that’s because the guy is living, breathing scum, an example of a bigoted rich old white guy so perfect as to be a parody of itself. The truth is, the bigotry is right there for anyone looking. And for many that makes him completely unredeemable. And for others it doesn’t change a thing for them (and then of course there’s those who like it). Now obviously you have a right not to mind the man’s bigotry. But for many people they just cannot understand how anyone could brush that aside, especially when that bigotry and ignorance can directly affect them. I’m certainly one to preach tolerance, so I understand Trump supporters who overlooked the troubling aspects. But I also sympathize with those who could not. To dismiss those who are so passionately against him is just as bad to dismiss those who are rationally for him. Both have a perspective and a reason for what many on either side may consider to be their extreme opinions.
I would agree with this, except for classifying Trump as scum. I don’t think it’s helpful to vilify anyone, even terrible people like Hitler, since even villains think that they are basically good people.
I don’t think anyone views Trump as a particularly moral person. The fact that the Left constantly harps on this aspect misses the point that people voted for Trump despite his moral failings, and to some extent, because of them. Not because these people are racist, but because they saw in Trump someone who didn’t apologize, who said what he wanted. This is the exact opposite of the value-signaling that the Left engages in, and in the view of the Right, it weakens us all.
The fact that Trump can say things not based in fact and get away with it is far more powerful and important than if he were to say measured, reasonable things like Obama. The Left has claimed for decades that the Right is living in a world divorced from factual, scientific reality, and so people on the Right may often feel threatened when they attempt to profess their religious/economic/political beliefs. For them, our PC, scientifically minded culture is not liberating, it is oppressive. The Left has the academic and scientific resources to amass a great deal of evidence in favor of their beliefs, and the Right has mostly been relegated to talk radio and extreme Libertarian theory. How could there be a vigorous discourse in our society when the odds are so uneven? I do not mean to imply that the beliefs of the left are better than those of the Right, just that the Left tends toward academia.
To bring it back to Trump, his wanton disregard for facts has quickly leveled the playing field of discourse in this country, much like the A-bomb leveled Hiroshima. This is partly the fault of the Left for not recognizing that they were ever more communicating with themselves and leaving half of the country out, and partly the fault of the Right for insulating themselves in their own bubble. Communication is hard, and it’s far easier to retreat to echo chambers. I hope that we as a nation begin to recognize that we need to build a broad knowledge of facts instead of calling everything fake news, and recognizing that Trump’s solution is ultimately destructive. Merriam Webster says it best, when describing the word ‘trumpery’: worthless nonsense.
I agree that Trump’s separation from the truth/reality is essentially the biggest issue with him (and the one that basically causes all his others). My point with discussing his bigotry and relative scumminess is in explaining why those who oppose him (and specifically his supporters) do so so vigorously. You’re absolutely right about the nature of discourse is so damaged because now facts are up for question, but I do believe, when it comes to people shaming Trump supporters (as darthrush mentioned), it’s mainly because of the bigotry.
I don’t think shaming is the right way to handle it but my point was basically that if you’re going to sympathize with those being shamed and look at it from their perspective, you should also sympathize with those shaming by looking at it from their perspective, too.
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Insurance providers have been withdrawing and premiums are skyrocketing, but yeah just post exclusive left-leaning propaganda articles to back up your leftist position. Makes sense.
Obamacare is the single biggest reason Trump won Wisconsin fwiw.
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Also, reddit is the worst
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dissecting-trumps-most-rabid-online-following/
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Can’t it be both poorly designed and not explode? There are problems with the ACA. Lots of them. Most are easily fixed (but require a commitment to keep the law in place, so they haven’t been–such as the legalism that allowed states to opt out of Medicaid expansion), and some are truly structural. The ACA is ultimately what you get when you try to let the free market handle insurance with minimal government interference. And that’s not unexpected with its parentage–the ACA was dreamed up at the Heritage Foundation, with Newt Gingrich an early and vocal champion for the individual mandate, and a test-run of the system at the state level under Mitt Romney. It’s the ACA’s quality of bending over backwards to avoid excessive government interference that keeps it from working very well for a lot of people. But it won’t explode.
Yes, on average, premiums are rising much slower than they did before the ACA. Nobody disputes that (outside your standard propaganda mills, using cherry-picked locations). But that doesn’t mean it’s problem-free.
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Insurance providers have been withdrawing and premiums are skyrocketing, but yeah just post exclusive left-leaning propaganda articles to back up your leftist position. Makes sense.
The OMB is left-leaning propaganda? Ok.
Feel free to dig into all the other propaganda I posted and show everyone how wrong it is.
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Yes, on average, premiums are rising much slower than they did before the ACA. Nobody disputes that (outside your standard propaganda mills, using cherry-picked locations).
Say hello to Alderaan, propaganda mill.
premiums are skyrocketing
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Can’t it be both poorly designed and not explode? There are problems with the ACA. Lots of them. Most are easily fixed (but require a commitment to keep the law in place, so they haven’t been–such as the legalism that allowed states to opt out of Medicaid expansion), and some are truly structural. The ACA is ultimately what you get when you try to let the free market handle insurance with minimal government interference. And that’s not unexpected with its parentage–the ACA was dreamed up at the Heritage Foundation, with Newt Gingrich an early and vocal champion for the individual mandate, and a test-run of the system at the state level under Mitt Romney. It’s the ACA’s quality of bending over backwards to avoid excessive government interference that keeps it from working very well for a lot of people. But it won’t explode.
It’s hilarious how many Republicans hate Obamacare because it was Obama that pushed it and passed it, despite its Republican background (don’t forget Romney). Almost as hilarious as the Republicans who say “I hate Obamacare, but I better not lose my ACA benefits.”
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Skyrocketing is not a defined term. If they’re skyrocketing now, prior to the ACA, they were stratosphere-o-rocketing. Going up either way, just doing it a lot less now (again, on average, you can always find individual data points going other ways). Not a problem the ACA was particularly designed to address (the ACA was about coverage more than cost), but a real problem nevertheless.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jared-kushner-everything-czar_us_58d95499e4b02a2eaab6664f
So, if you’re keeping track, Jared Kushner, who comes to Washington with no government experience, no policy experience, no diplomatic experience, and business experience limited to his family’s real estate development firm, a brief stint as a newspaper publisher, and briefly bidding to acquire the Los Angeles Dodgers, will be working on trade, Middle East policy in general, an Israel-Palestine peace deal more specifically, reforming the Veterans Administration, and solving the opioid crisis.
Oh wait, that’s not all! Apparently, this new office will also be responsible for “modernizing the technology and data infrastructure of every federal department and agency; remodeling workforce-training programs; and developing “transformative projects” under the banner of Trump’s $1 trillion infrastructure plan, such as providing broadband internet service to every American.”
We have certainly come a long way from “I alone can fix it.”
How is Jared Kushner going to do all of these things? Simply “modernizing the technology and data infrastructure of every federal department and agency” is an enormous undertaking. In the United Kingdom, they had to create a whole new cabinet agency just to surmount that challenge. It would be great if Kushner would simply work on that one thing, or any one of these things. Instead, Kushner has now basically been saddled with several full-time jobs, in which he is responsible for fulfilling many, if not all, of his father-in-law’s campaign promises.
Good luck!
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He went to Jared.
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If Obamacare explodes, it’s because Trump wanted it to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/03/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-obamacare/520947/
What?
If Obamacare explodes (it will), it’s because it was designed poorly in the first place.
I agree, and, it is not Trump’s fault. The Republican Party had 8 years to work it out, get a consensus, and go from there. Folks can’t just blame the new management for something the old one didn’t do properly and expect to sell it off as fact, ya know.
It’s okay to think and decide for one’s self, no matter what anyone might say, always better the road least traveled is.
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If Obamacare explodes, it’s because Trump wanted it to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/03/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-obamacare/520947/
What?
If Obamacare explodes (it will), it’s because it was designed poorly in the first place.
I agree, and, it is not Trump’s fault. The Republican Party had 8 years to work it out, get a consensus, and go from there. Folks can’t just blame the new management for something the old one didn’t do properly and expect to sell it off as fact, ya know.
It’s okay to think and decide for one’s self, no matter what anyone might say, always better the road least traveled is.
😦
Trump made promises that he could and would fix this. and hasn’t and seems like he won’t at this point. you don’t think we can find blame for that? Is there anything you hold Trump accountable for?
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Trump doesn’t know the details and doesn’t care. And the GOP plan was a joke.
I’m for single-payer. If the government is going to get involved in healthcare, they should do it right and actually fund the damn thing so everyone has it. Stop fighting mercenary wars in other countries to steal people’s resources, save money, and spend it back home domestically where it is badly needed for a better quality of life.
As Obamacare stands, it is doomed to fail and it is political suicide for the Democrats to rope up with a sinking ship.
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Trump doesn’t know the details and doesn’t care. And the GOP plan was a joke
I agree.
I’m for single-payer. If the government is going to get involved in healthcare, they should do it right and actually fund the damn thing so everyone has it. Stop fighting mercenary wars in other countries to steal people’s resources, save money, and spend it back home domestically where it is badly needed for a better quality of life.
I agree…mostly
As Obamacare stands, it is doomed to fail and it is political suicide for the Democrats to rope up with a sinking ship.
Sounds reasonable.
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If Obamacare explodes, it’s because Trump wanted it to.
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/03/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-with-obamacare/520947/
What?
If Obamacare explodes (it will), it’s because it was designed poorly in the first place.
I agree, and, it is not Trump’s fault. The Republican Party had 8 years to work it out, get a consensus, and go from there. Folks can’t just blame the new management for something the old one didn’t do properly and expect to sell it off as fact, ya know.
It’s okay to think and decide for one’s self, no matter what anyone might say, always better the road least traveled is.
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Trump made promises that he could and would fix this. and hasn’t and seems like he won’t at this point. you don’t think we can find blame for that? Is there anything you hold Trump accountable for?
Well, it does seem as if many Trump voters believe nothing the man does is his own fault…which is exactly how he’s lived his entire life.
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As much as I would like to take the privilege of using the verbiage loophole to attack other members character because they don’t agree with the status quo, I personally refuse to do so because it’s a bullshit way to treat others that would like to actually discuss and be open-minded about all options. I wish we had a loophole rule here that would put a cork on such blatant disrespect.
I’m for single-payer. If the government is going to get involved in healthcare, they should do it right and actually fund the damn thing so everyone has it. Stop fighting mercenary wars in other countries to steal people’s resources, save money, and spend it back home domestically where it is badly needed for a better quality of life.
I agree with your sentiment on this.