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Its going to be Lucas burning the materials so the OT stays at 1080p just like his precious Prequels…

It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher

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lovelikewinter said:

Its going to be Lucas burning the materials so the OT stays at 1080p just like his precious Prequels…

AOTC and ROTS are in 2K, which is slightly higher than 1080p.

Darth Lucas said:

I’d be shocked if they didn’t have SOMETHING big planned, even if it’s not what we’re all hoping.

4K versions of the saga would be a great annoncement, even with the SE and not the OOT.

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MalàStrana said:

lovelikewinter said:

Its going to be Lucas burning the materials so the OT stays at 1080p just like his precious Prequels…

AOTC and ROTS are in 2K, which is slightly higher than 1080p.

Keep in mind they cropped a native 16:9 image to 2.35 aspect ratio, so that’s throwing some pixel real estate out the window.

I’m sure someone more knowledgeable about the cameras used on AOTC and ROTS will chime in with the actual technical specs of the cameras used, and the video format the footage was recorded to.

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Hum… sorry I don’t get it: Episode II & III were shot in 16:9 then cropped to 2.35 ? If I’m not mistaken 2.35 is larger than 16:9 so isn’t it the opposite that was done ? Which would mean the real resolution is in fact higher than 2k (well, not the cgi stuff but the rest would be) ?

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(I’m pretty sure someone - Harmy perhaps - explained that a few pages ago… i’ll try to find his post)

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MalàStrana said:

Darth Lucas said:

I’d be shocked if they didn’t have SOMETHING big planned, even if it’s not what we’re all hoping.

4K versions of the saga would be a great annoncement, even with the SE and not the OOT.

Yeah, being able to see the worst parts of the OT even better sure would be great.

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MalàStrana said:

Hum… sorry I don’t get it: Episode II & III were shot in 16:9 then cropped to 2.35 ? If I’m not mistaken 2.35 is larger than 16:9 so isn’t it the opposite that was done ? Which would mean the real resolution is in fact higher than 2k (well, not the cgi stuff but the rest would be) ?

AOTC was shot open matte at 1920x1080 (not even 2K) and then matted to 1920x820. I don’t know about ROTS.

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Yeah but most of the films are cgi anyway so rerender the cgi at 4k and it’ll practically be 4k

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adywan said:

Fang Zei said:

This “surprise announcement” (very vague) will either be the unaltered versions hitting blu-ray at long last or have nothing at all to do with a re-release of the movies.

But, as i have said before, there has been nothing even mentioned about a “surprise announcement” happening at Celebration. It’s just something that has been twisted from the official announcement of the panel.

The only two official things said about the 40th panel that mentions anything about “surprises” :

Official Star Wars site:
…this marquee Celebration event will undoubtedly include many not-to-be-missed surprises.

Andi Gutierrez on the Star Wars Show:
Celebration is the place for surprises, make sure you attend this event. That’s all we are going to say.

NOTHING about any announcement being one of the “surprises”.

Then forget the “announcement” part. Maybe that was just me making a freudian slip. But my original point still stands. If whatever the “surprises” are have nothing to do with the OOT, they won’t have anything to do with the SE either.

One of the conventions - it was either 2010 or 2011 - had a panel about the then yet to be released blu-ray where they showed off the deleted scene from RotJ of Luke building his lightsaber. It got a fairly big reaction from the crowd if I remember the camera phone footage correctly.

I could see them closing the panel with a sizzle-reel trailer on a 4k projector prominently featuring shots/moments from the unaltered version that were the most notoriously changed for the SE (Han shooting first, Mos Eisley, Battle of Yavin, Lapti Nek, etc), complete with the “original” color-timing, or at least as close as anyone can tell. Hell, even if they said it’s a work in progress and it’s not hitting until next year, seeing restored footage from high quality elements could still be a big crowd-pleaser.

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Trying my best not to get my hopes up and still failing miserably. I am attending Star Wars Celebration and there is no way to avoid being really disappointed if they do not even mention anything about the Original Unaltered Trilogy. I wish they would just at least acknowledge it, even if it was just to announce they will never release those versions again. At least that way I would know to stop getting my hopes up and to treasure the Harmy versions I have even more. Tired of the issue being ignored. Just say something Kathleen Kennedy!

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Their silence is deafening!

Or is it?

Just don’t know any more.

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What John Landis’ story says to me is that George doesn’t mind the idea of the original versions being out there.

It’s not his money being spent anymore and that was pretty much the only reason we got the GOUT instead of an hd remaster like they did for the '04 set.

Now he has no reason to care.

As for the 2020 thing, well, it’s not like they’re going to stop re-releasing these movies on home media. They eventually got around to the digital platforms in 2015, throwing in some exclusive bonus features as an incentive.

I honestly don’t see them releasing these movies at all on 4k UHD until enough people have adopted the tech. It’s what they did for dvd and bd and digital. Although one unknown factor in all of this is whether or not Disney wants TFA and RO on UHD without the fans who’ve upgraded being able to experience I-VI that way as well. I’m reminded of how fans were stuck watching the OT on vhs as TPM and then AotC were released on dvd, and then still for a couple years after until 2004 less than a year before RotS came out.

Maybe they’ll pull something similar and wait until 2018 or early 2019 to release the OT on UHD as part of the marketing push for Episode IX, although I suspect Fox wouldn’t want any featurettes referencing the Disney movies.

So who knows when it comes to the OT on 4k.

The OOT on blu-ray is a different story, though. I could see them releasing that in the meantime.

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CGI is almost always rendered at 2k and upscaled to 4k.

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Indeed, people need to stop fretting about “the cgi is only 2k.”

With few exceptions, that’s still how it’s done today even when the movie is finished as a 4k DI. It’s simply more money than the studios are willing to spend to render it in 4k, especially when it’s a very vfx-heavy movie.

Going forward, 4k rendering will probably become more the norm as technology improves and costs come down.

Do we know what res the cg in TFA and RO was rendered at?

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Fang Zei said:
Do we know what res the cg in TFA and RO was rendered at?

According to the IMDB pages, the DIs are in 4K. That doesn’t really tell us anything about the CG though.

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Maybe I’ll be proved wrong in the future, but the 2K upscaled to 4K is hardly a problem and is nearly seamless. It isn’t like trying to upscale 480i to 1080p, which they had to do to missing or destroyed Star Trek footage on the blu ray.

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When we start seeing more native 4K CG, maybe it’ll start to stick out, but as of now I can hardly muster enough effort to care about 4K at all right now. I want better reproduction of colors and contrast ratios, but they killed my dear plasma televisions before OLED was ready. Oh well.

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Handman said:

Wazzles said:

Fang Zei said:
Do we know what res the cg in TFA and RO was rendered at?

According to the IMDB pages, the DIs are in 4K. That doesn’t really tell us anything about the CG though.

moviefreakedmind said:

CGI is almost always rendered at 2k and upscaled to 4k.

Yet we heard TFA had more vfx shots than TPM. Unless they were done at 4k, what was the point of a 4k DI?

IMDB’s user-generated info can be wrong sometimes.

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Fang Zei said:

What John Landis’ story says to me is that George doesn’t mind the idea of the original versions being out there.

It’s not his money being spent anymore and that was pretty much the only reason we got the GOUT instead of an hd remaster like they did for the '04 set.

Now he has no reason to care.

I dunno… I think the reviews and praise for the original versions and the backlash against his SE’s could be pretty damaging to his hubris. He doesn’t seem to realize that HE gets the praise either way because HE MADE THE MOVIES. He’d just be mad because people prefer the original versions over his “new and improved” versions.
But I think he realizes that there’s not much he can do about that now, he knows the demand is there and he knows The Mouse will want to cash in on that demand.
At least I hope The Mose wants to cash in on that demand…
Just release Legacy!

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