Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 137

Harmy, will the shots in the Millennium Falcon cockpit that are overcropped on the BD be replaced with 35mm scans instead of the 97SE in the 2.5 update, or re-done from scratch in 3.0?

a_o said:

Harmy, will the shots in the Millennium Falcon cockpit that are overcropped on the BD be replaced with 35mm scans instead of the 97SE in the 2.5 update, or re-done from scratch in 3.0?

The current v2.0 used upscaled GOUT footage to repair the cropped cockpit scenes, not 97SE footage. Harmy has said he’ll be fixing those edges with 35mm scans for v2.5.

yoda-sama said:

a_o said:

Harmy, will the shots in the Millennium Falcon cockpit that are overcropped on the BD be replaced with 35mm scans instead of the 97SE in the 2.5 update, or re-done from scratch in 3.0?

The current v2.0 used upscaled GOUT footage to repair the cropped cockpit scenes, not 97SE footage. Harmy has said he’ll be fixing those edges with 35mm scans for v2.5.

Many of the cockpit zoom outs are done with 97SE upscales. source: https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/album/6044645069501365185/6044645451698333346

edit: Looks like the earlier shots in the film were done with 97SE, the later ones with GOUT: https://plus.google.com/photos/109609428403596349302/album/6044645069501365185/6044645763911390130

I’ll stand corrected on that. But honestly wouldn’t have expected that to be the go-to source.

yoda-sama said:

I’ll stand corrected on that. But honestly wouldn’t have expected that to be the go-to source.

Well, the broadcast sources look pretty good (at least, in the days where 35mm sources were rare they did compared to GOUT). There just aren’t a huge number of changes that it is useful for. The melted bars in ANH and Anakin’s Eyebrows come to mind as other 97SE sourced materials.

Presumably Lucasfilm started cropping those cockpit shots in the later half of the film, for the 97 release. And then they finished the job in 2004?

CatBus said:

tomalakis said:

One another note about the czech dub. One member named pittrek replied to my original post and send me both czech dub versions for every Harmy’s mkv file and I must say that they fits perfectly, so far I didnt noticed any desync…however that’s not the case for the dub syncs included in the actual mkvs. Some parts are so horribly out of sync that it is practically unwatchable. Especially in ROTJ (Yoda closes his mouth, then you hear him talking…i noticed that one part of Endor battle is about 2 sec desync…etc).
So i would strongly recommend to ask pittrek if he would be willing to include his dub syncs to the mkvs or in some other way made them public, because it would be shame (for czech viewers) to not include them.

Actually I’m finding lots of sync problems in both versions of the dub (I don’t usually pay much attention to lip sync because that can simply be off in dubs, but the lip sync is way off IMO and the sound effects are off quite a bit too). I think I’m going to try to sort this out once and for all and get a solid sync, starting with pittrek’s sources.

and do you mean the pittreks syncs? really? sound effects are off? thats strange i really didnt encounter any desync, but so far i was mainly checking bits where you can clearly match the sound like shots, clanking, saber clashes, button push etc. mouth dont fit 100% with any dub…i was also mainly focusing on the second dub version. i will check the first one more thoroughly too

Revolution said:

Is there any interest in obtaining a true 5.1 source or using the 6.1 source from the blu >rays etc?

• Rev

If you need to cure your 5.1 fix, on the 'spleen there are audio files for the Star Wars Original Trilogy (aka. GOUT) that uses the rarely heard 1997 Special Edition sound mix made from the original CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs. Of course, portions of the audio include the sound mix from the GOUT to patch over footages where the 1997 SE audio would be out-of-place.

Just mux these to the MKV video and you are good to go.

alexp120 said:

Revolution said:

Is there any interest in obtaining a true 5.1 source or using the 6.1 source from the blu >rays etc?

• Rev

If you need to cure your 5.1 fix, on the 'spleen there are audio files for the Star Wars Original Trilogy (aka. GOUT) that uses the rarely heard 1997 Special Edition sound mix made from the original CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs. Of course, portions of the audio include the sound mix from the GOUT to patch over footages where the 1997 SE audio would be out-of-place.

Just mux these to the MKV video and you are good to go.

is the music score quieter than the SFX during the death star attack? i dont recall if that change happened in 97 or 2004/2011

Swift S. Lawliet said:

a_o said:

alexp120 said:

Revolution said:

Is there any interest in obtaining a true 5.1 source or using the 6.1 source from the blu >rays etc?

• Rev

If you need to cure your 5.1 fix, on the 'spleen there are audio files for the Star Wars Original Trilogy (aka. GOUT) that uses the rarely heard 1997 Special Edition sound mix made from the original CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs. Of course, portions of the audio include the sound mix from the GOUT to patch over footages where the 1997 SE audio would be out-of-place.

Just mux these to the MKV video and you are good to go.

is the music score quieter than the SFX during the death star attack? i dont recall if that change happened in 97 or 2004/2011

I think that happened in the 2004 version.

I listened to the 2011 version once and I think it wasn’t there.

I think that’s right. Didn’t Lucasfilm respond to a complaint about this saying it was an intentional decision, only to go ahead and fix it for the blu-ray?

I also believe I remember reading that the audio channels are swapped for much of the end of the film.

Hi Harmy,

Any progress on 2.5? Please tease us! lol

a_o said:

alexp120 said:

Revolution said:

Is there any interest in obtaining a true 5.1 source or using the 6.1 source from the blu >rays etc?

• Rev

If you need to cure your 5.1 fix, on the 'spleen there are audio files for the Star Wars Original Trilogy (aka. GOUT) that uses the rarely heard 1997 Special Edition sound mix made from the original CinemaDTS CD-ROM discs. Of course, portions of the audio include the sound mix from the GOUT to patch over footages where the 1997 SE audio would be out-of-place.

Just mux these to the MKV video and you are good to go.

is the music score quieter than the SFX during the death star attack? i dont recall if that change happened in 97 or 2004/2011

Nah. Other than changes I’d say the 97 mix is the best mix available for Star Wars. Not for ESB or Jedi, just SW. (It’s quite good for those two as well but there are other good mixes whereas both the original and the 2004 and newer mixes for star wars sound terrible for different reasons)

The 1997 mix of SW doesn’t sound anywhere near as good as the 1993 version. It has less dynamic range, lesser fidelity, more noise and distortion, a number of bad edits, a tinny EQ balance, and most of the time less low end. It’s still the best-sounding version of the SE, but the 1993 version is significantly better in all respects. By all rights the '97 should sound better, since it comes from an earlier generation source, but it doesn’t. I think the 4-track master tape it was copied from was not stored properly, whereas the 70mm printmaster used to make the '93 version must have been better preserved.

To each his own I guess, the 93 mix sounds tinny to me.

So ah . . . how’s it going? I know better than to ask for a tentative ETA, but is the process moving along or are we in some kind of source limbo?

Oh, the real life strikes back ! 😉 Congratulations for you job !

Why wouldn’t Despecialized become a team/community work for the next edition(s) ? I know it is yet partly the case (the list of “special thanks”, Towne’s SW etc.), but what if guy who have the skills and the experience here work together for scenes replacement, rotoscoping etc. under your supervision ?

For the Original, since Neverar’s correction is coming soon and good 35 mm available references multiplicating, the OT community should move forward ! “On met la gomme Chico !”

UnitéD2 said:

Oh, the real life strikes back ! 😉 Congratulations for you job !

Why wouldn’t Despecialized become a team/community work for the next edition(s) ? I know it is yet partly the case (the list of “special thanks”, Towne’s SW etc.), but what if guy who have the skills and the experience here work together for scenes replacement, rotoscoping etc. under your supervision ?

For the Original, since Neverar’s correction is coming soon and good 35 mm available references multiplicating, the OT community should move forward ! “On met la gomme Chico !”

Moving forward, the most useful sources for Despecialized will surely be cleaned up 35mm footage. I don’t think there could be any harm in lots of people contributing properly cleaned shots. But I don’t think there are very many people here who are particularly skilled at this. It would not be ideal to farm out the work to unproven people. While the initial learning curve is not too bad (and this is speaking from my own personal experience) for cleaning up quick shots, credits, etc, it is quite another thing to rely on us random folks for the bulk of the film. It can be a long and taxing process and it is easy to make mistakes that are destructive to the product. I am certainly not qualified for any kind of extensive restoration.

Training people in these skills is a project in and of itself. But if people took the time and effort to learned (and showed some example work based on any of the now available 35mm scans for quite a few films), I don’t think it would be unreasonable to get a few more people involved.

Anything to do with color correction, on the other hand, needs to be done by as few people as possible, in my opinion. As shown in the many color correction threads, we’ve all got different opinions. Most of the things we all come up with are honestly probably good enough. But the grading needs to be consistent.

Also: congrats on the job, Harmy!

Agreed that you don’t want to farm work out to an uneven and unproven group. But personally, I would love to learn and contribute back in any way I could, and I would be motivated to learn to do it the way Harmy and others would want. I have gotten so much enjoyment from the Despecialized Editions that I feel I owe the contributors a debt that I would like to repay. If there is any way someone with some graphic art experience could help out, just let me know. I have been trying to work on more cover art to try to contribute, but making the actual restoration work easier by helping in any way would be awesome.