Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 73

imperialscum said:

Lord Haseo said:

Wrong. The only person who acts that way around here is Impscum. Please provide evidence of me, Frink, Dominic etc. saying our opinions are factual or anything like that.

Exhibit A: Equating personal opinion with objectivity (i.e. fact)

TV’s Frink said:

Anyone is allowed to like the prequels, doing so is just expressing one’s personal opinion. However, I firmly believe that anyone who doesn’t think they’re objectively poorly executed is either not paying attention or lying to themselves. That makes them bad.

You claim your opinion of TFA being “a utter crap” is truth…the hypocrisy is astounding.

TV’s Frink said:

Ryan-SWI said:

HINT: Deluding and ignoring flaws of the new films just because “OMG Stormtroopers and the Millennium Falcon!!1!1!!”

Yeah I’ve not seen a single person do that here.

Lol.

That’s the same as me putting down fans of AOTC by saying:

“OMG Yoda with a LIGHTSABER and…LIGHTSABERS!!1!1!!”

Which like your previous statement has never been stated by anyone. Ever.

Lord Haseo said:

That’s the same as me putting down fans of AOTC by saying:

“OMG Yoda with a LIGHTSABER and…LIGHTSABERS!!1!1!!”

Which like your previous statement has never been stated by anyone. Ever.

Well, no.

Blatant fan service over making the film stand on its own was never a problem with the prequels. There’s plenty you can think wrong of them, but that’s not one of them. There was fan service in the prequels, but the entire plot and everything that happened in the span of two hours did not try to make fanboys wet their pants because they recognise a reference to a film they’ve seen.

TFA on the other hand is often accused of being an OT greatest hits piece instead of its own film, because the entire plot and all the visuals of the film are literally lifted from a 40 year old movie.

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

That’s the same as me putting down fans of AOTC by saying:

“OMG Yoda with a LIGHTSABER and…LIGHTSABERS!!1!1!!”

Which like your previous statement has never been stated by anyone. Ever.

Well, no.

Blatant fan service over making the film stand on its own was never a problem with the prequels. There’s plenty you can think wrong of them, but that’s not one of them. There was fan service in the prequels, but the entire plot and everything that happened in the span of two hours did not try to make fanboys wet their pants because they recognise a reference to a film they’ve seen.

TFA on the other hand is often accused of being an OT greatest hits piece instead of its own film, because the entire plot and all the visuals of the film are literally lifted from a 40 year old movie.

I would say that diminishing one of the series’ greatest characters is worse than any type of fan service. Also Jango Fett is blatant fan service and created a disconnect with the OT that lead to Boba’s original voice being replaced.

Lord Haseo said:

I would say that diminishing one of the series’ greatest characters is worse than any type of fan service.

I assume you mean Darth Vader? That’s your opinion, not a fact. If you want to talk about diminishing a great character I’d love to know why Han Solo lost all his character progression from IV - VI, just so he could do it in a third of the time in VII for “new audiences.” Or maybe Luke, running away from his friends and family because he dun goofed. Gee that sounds like Luke. How about Leia, that kickass heroine from the other three films? Oh yeah she just kinda stands around and talks now. How truly respectful of Daddy Disney.

I’m sure it will “all be explained in the next film” though, because movies apparently shouldn’t have to be able to stand on their own anymore.

Also Jango Fett is blatant fan service and created a disconnect with the OT that lead to Boba’s original voice being replaced.

Jango Fett is not the reason the voice actor was changed, Lucas going completely nuts at the editing station is why that happened. Giving a character backstory is not blatant fan service in a saga of six films that link to each other.

I honestly couldn’t care less what you think of any of the Star Wars films. I just want to know what the point of threads like this are if the mindset is that you share the opinion of others or get out.
Again, what is the point of posting the same list over and over again?

skywalkerfan101 said:

Hah! I bet I’m the only one in this thread who picked Return Of The Jedi over The Empire Strikes Back. Am I sorry for it? Absolutely not!

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ROTJ-is-the-best-Star-Wars-film-discuss/id/15430

Ryan-SWI said:

I honestly couldn’t care less what you think of any of the Star Wars films.

Well cool, I guess there’s no reason for you to read this thread then.

Ryan-SWI said:

Lord Haseo said:

I would say that diminishing one of the series’ greatest characters is worse than any type of fan service.

I assume you mean Darth Vader? That’s your opinion, not a fact.

I was talking about Yoda.

If you want to talk about diminishing a great character I’d love to know why Han Solo lost all his character progression from IV - VI, just so he could do it in a third of the time in VII for “new audiences.”

Never knew one’s occupation dictated behavior. Is there a version in which Han doesn’t help Finn and Rey when they mention Luke? If not I have no idea what you’re talking about.

Or maybe Luke, running away from his friends and family because he dun goofed. Gee that sounds like Luke.

Yes because Han didn’t mention Luke going to the first Jedi Temple.

Also Jango Fett is blatant fan service and created a disconnect with the OT that lead to Boba’s original voice being replaced.

Jango Fett is not the reason the voice actor was changed, Lucas going completely nuts at the editing station is why that happened.

Oh, I wasn’t aware that he dubbed the actors voices in post production. Prowse can revel in the fact he wasn’t the only one to receive such treatment.

Giving a character backstory is not blatant fan service in a saga of six films that link to each other.

It wasn’t necessary for Jango to be in the film as it could have been some other Bounty Hunter and Boba has a huge fanbase. Seems pretty open and shut to me.

EDIT:

I honestly couldn’t care less what you think of any of the Star Wars films. I just want to know what the point of threads like this are if the mindset is that you share the opinion of others or get out.
Again, what is the point of posting the same list over and over again?

Because we have new films coming out and Disney is 2/2 from the field so far.

Han and Leia were great in TFA. I wonder how many people who were upset about their portrayal in TFA have kids, and if they understand how the things that your kids do (or have happen to them) can change you.

I’m withholding judgement on Luke until I know exactly why he went into hiding.

And LH, I knew you were talking about Yoda, but you easily could have been talking about Vader as well and you wouldn’t have been wrong.

TV’s Frink said:

Han and Leia were great in TFA. I wonder how many people who were upset about their portrayal in TFA have kids, and if they understand how the things that your kids do (or have happen to them) can change you.

Exactly. Couples have been broken up with considerably less strain on the relationship.

I’m withholding judgement on Luke until I know exactly why he went into hiding.

I think everyone agrees the reasons are sound it’s just the possibility that he may be just sulking on Ahch-To that has a lot of people worried.

And LH, I knew you were talking about Yoda, but you easily could have been talking about Vader as well and you wouldn’t have been wrong.

You don’t even need to watch the OT to know that.

imperialscum said:

Exhibit B: Equating a group of opinions with objectivity (i.e. fact)

DominicCobb said:

putting aside the fact that the large majority of people (in general, not just this site) say the prequels aren’t great, which isn’t evidence but is as good an objective indicator as you can get

Can you read?

skywalkerfan101 said:

I noticed that so many of you have VERY similar lists. Well, here’s mine:
1=Best 7=Worst

1. RETURN OF THE JEDI
2. THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK
3. STAR WARS
4. ROGUE ONE/THE FORCE AWAKENS
5. REVENGE OF THE SITH
6. THE PHANTOM MENACE
7. ATTACK OF THE CLONES

Gasp! ROTJ is also my #1! Actually I think I posted this same list a little ways back.

1 - ROTJ (Ignoring all Ewok scenes and having all of the deleted scenes put back in the movie)
2 - ROTS
3 - AOTC (!, “A Prelude to War” fan edit)
4 - RO (Thanks to the 3rd act and all cameos in it, but “Dark Forces” clouds my judgement)
5 - ANH
6 - TESB
7 - Rebels (Bendu, Maul, ObiWan, Tarkin and Vader parts)
8 - Holiday Special (only for the main cast appearances and that beautiful kashyyyk matte painting by RM)
9 - TPM (Apart from the 10 minutes of some good stuff, this is just a sad memory)
10 - The Clone Wars Movie (Meh)
11 - The Clone Wars Series (Meeeh)
12 - Clone Wars Series (2003) (even Meeeeh-ier)
13 - Ewok Movies (No)
14 - Ewok/Droid Series (No No No)
14 - TFA (Stop)

JEDIRotJ said:

1 - ROTJ (Ignoring all Ewok scenes and having all of the deleted scenes put back in the movie)

If you ignore the Ewok scenes then you don’t have a coherent movie and I don’t know how you can rate it #1 at that point.

Beyond I’d like to know what you loved about ROTS and AOTC while loathing TFA to the point that it’s the worst Star Wars created.

JEDIRotJ said:

1 - ROTJ (Ignoring all Ewok scenes and having all of the deleted scenes put back in the movie)

You shouldn’t have to do all that though lol

Well we all have our own opinions and we should respect each other. I don’t like the forest battle, so i basically ignore it. So what? A lot of people ignore all Jar Jar scenes but his scenes were actually important to the plot (sad, i know).

We don’t have to have the same ideas or opinions just to be accepted. ROTJ speaks to me in a emotional level that ANH or ESB doesn’t. TFA is the worst because even prequels were unique and different (like it or not). I accept ESB for being technically superior to all SW movies, but i don’t like it. And i don’t have to.

JEDIRotJ said:

Well we all have our own opinions and we should respect each other. I don’t like the forest battle, so i basically ignore it. So what? A lot of people ignore all Jar Jar scenes but his scenes were actually important to the plot (sad, i know).

A lot of Jar Jar scenes are removed from Fan edits but not from the minds of the individuals passing judgement on TPM.

Forest battle wasn’t really necessary imo, the space battle was more than enough in terms of action. So not caring about them doesn’t change a thing. It was just a plot filler for Han and Leia, so they would seem like they were doing something.

You can remove JJ from TPM, but there is still nothing really good left, unlike ROTJ, where the only problem was the inclusion of the Ewoks.

TV’s Frink said:

JEDIRotJ said:

1 - ROTJ (Ignoring all Ewok scenes and having all of the deleted scenes put back in the movie)

If you ignore the Ewok scenes then you don’t have a coherent movie and I don’t know how you can rate it #1 at that point.

Beyond I’d like to know what you loved about ROTS and AOTC while loathing TFA to the point that it’s the worst Star Wars created.

Your judgement is completely wrong. They all mean something else to each one of us. TFA is a rehash of all things OT. Nothing really happens. Everything, every single plot point is set back to its ANH timeline. Other than Luke’s story (30 sec of screen time) there is nothing new or exciting for me. In a world where ANH exist, there is no need for TFA.

I only care about the Jedi vs Sith and Skywalker family story in SW universe. So that is why i don’t really care for ANH or ESB, as they are focused on Rebellion and Empire. With ROTJ, AOTC and ROTS, you get what i look for. None of the SW movies feature good acting or good dialog. And i’m not looking for that anyway.

Watch A Prelude to War edit of EP2, and you will change your mind on AOTC.

Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies, and i love the city design. But the story is not the greatest, as it offers nothing unique but the android element. We all want to see the city, the lifestyle, but all you have is a couple of rooms and people talking.

AOTC corrects this. It gives you the city, people in it, the look, the style… I will always love those city scenes in it. They show you a huge universe, rather than only mentioning it. With special editions, i wish they could include some Alderaan City shots before it gets blown up. I would love to see RM’s paintings of the city come alive. But instead you get Jabba and Boba Fett for some reason. If you are going to do that, atleast include someone who was missed by fans, such as having Yoda and QuiGon meditating, learning about the afterlife, becoming a ghost. Or how about Emperor having a decent hologram talk with Tarkin before that meeting?

Anyway, i guess you’ve got my point and my views. Don’t judge people just because they don’t think the same as you do.

JEDIRotJ said:

Forest battle wasn’t really necessary imo, the space battle was more than enough in terms of action. So not caring about them doesn’t change a thing. It was just a plot filler for Han and Leia, so they would seem like they were doing something.

You can remove JJ from TPM, but there is still nothing really good left, unlike ROTJ, where the only problem was the inclusion of the Ewoks.

TV’s Frink said:

JEDIRotJ said:

1 - ROTJ (Ignoring all Ewok scenes and having all of the deleted scenes put back in the movie)

If you ignore the Ewok scenes then you don’t have a coherent movie and I don’t know how you can rate it #1 at that point.

Beyond I’d like to know what you loved about ROTS and AOTC while loathing TFA to the point that it’s the worst Star Wars created.

Your judgement is completely wrong. They all mean something else to each one of us. TFA is a rehash of all things OT. Nothing really happens. Everything, every single plot point is set back to its ANH timeline. Other than Luke’s story (30 sec of screen time) there is nothing new or exciting for me. In a world where ANH exist, there is no need for TFA.

I only care about the Jedi vs Sith and Skywalker family story in SW universe. So that is why i don’t really care for ANH or ESB, as they are focused on Rebellion and Empire. With ROTJ, AOTC and ROTS, you get what i look for. None of the SW movies feature good acting or good dialog. And i’m not looking for that anyway.

Watch A Prelude to War edit of EP2, and you will change your mind on AOTC.

Blade Runner is one of my favorite movies, and i love the city design. But the story is not the greatest, as it offers nothing unique but the android element. We all want to see the city, the lifestyle, but all you have is a couple of rooms and people talking.

AOTC corrects this. It gives you the city, people in it, the look, the style… I will always love those city scenes in it. They show you a huge universe, rather than only mentioning it. With special editions, i wish they could include some Alderaan City shots before it gets blown up. I would love to see RM’s paintings of the city come alive. But instead you get Jabba and Boba Fett for some reason. If you are going to do that, atleast include someone who was missed by fans, such as having Yoda and QuiGon meditating, learning about the afterlife, becoming a ghost. Or how about Emperor having a decent hologram talk with Tarkin before that meeting?

Anyway, i guess you’ve got my point and my views. Don’t judge people just because they don’t think the same as you do.

K.

ray_afraid said:

JEDIRotJ said:

None of the SW movies feature good acting or good dialog.

This is something many PT fans try to say, but it just isn’t true at all.

Ewan McGregor, Daisy Ridley, Mark Hamill (ESB), Harrison Ford, Adam Driver, Ian Mcdiarmid, Guinness etc…

Why shit on everything because the films you like have fundamental problems?

old topic name : Ranking the Star Wars films

new topic name : if someone doesn’t agree with you, he shouldn’t even exist.

@TV’s Frink;

we can have a nice discussion when you act like a grown up.

btw, i almost forgot…

1 EMPIRE
2 ANH
3 ROTJ

THE OTHERS DOESNT EVEN EXIST AM I RIGHT? YEAH!

JEDIRotJ said:

we can have a nice discussion when you act like a grown up.

old topic name : Ranking the Star Wars films

new topic name : if someone doesn’t agree with you, he shouldn’t even exist.

1 EMPIRE
2 ANH
3 ROTJ

THE OTHERS DOESNT EVEN EXIST AM I RIGHT? YEAH!

Gotcha.