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Let's face it. The continuity in star wars does not exist.

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Even if you believe that George Lucas had the entire story planned out from the beginning their is no real continuity between these films.

I mean as of now the death star has had three creators first it was Motti then it was the Geonosians, and now Jyn Ersos father.

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Motti was never hinted at being the creator of the Death Star.
He was just a Death Ray Fanboy.

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It’s plausible the Geonosian design had more than a few bugs in it. (Tee Hee!) Humans like Erso were brought in to solve those problems.

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Bingowings said:

Motti was never hinted at being the creator of the Death Star.
He was just a Death Ray Fanboy.

Then what does Vader mean then when he says ‘‘Don’t be to proud of this technological terror that you have constructed’’ to Motti?

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HP. Lovecraft said:

Bingowings said:

Motti was never hinted at being the creator of the Death Star.
He was just a Death Ray Fanboy.

Then what does Vader mean then when he says ‘‘Don’t be to proud of this technological terror that you have constructed’’ to Motti?

I thought he referred to the group as a whole. Besides, it’s not like Vader ever met Erso.

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Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

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DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

Then how did he construct a convenient way for the rebels to destroy it???

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HP. Lovecraft said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

Then how did he construct a convenient way for the rebels to destroy it???

That’s a common misconception. He didn’t. All he did was make an unstable reactor to set off the chain reaction. That’s why he wanted the rebels to steal the plans, so they could figure out on their own how to set it off. He didn’t have a clue how the rebels would do it. It’s entirely possible he was expecting an espionage mission than a bunch of snub fighters trying to make a one in a million shot.

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flametitan said:

HP. Lovecraft said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

Then how did he construct a convenient way for the rebels to destroy it???

That’s a common misconception. He didn’t. All he did was make an unstable reactor to set off the chain reaction. That’s why he wanted the rebels to steal the plans, so they could figure out on their own how to set it off. He didn’t have a clue how the rebels would do it. It’s entirely possible he was expecting an espionage mission than a bunch of snub fighters trying to make a one in a million shot.

So it would have been possible for, say, a 4 person crew to infiltrate the Death Star and sabotage the faulty reactor using the Death Star plans carried by R2? It’s a good thing there was never the chance for such a sabotage mission or the Rebellion wouldn’t have needed to give away the position of its base and send almost all of its fighters to their destruction.
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NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

HP. Lovecraft said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

Then how did he construct a convenient way for the rebels to destroy it???

That’s a common misconception. He didn’t. All he did was make an unstable reactor to set off the chain reaction. That’s why he wanted the rebels to steal the plans, so they could figure out on their own how to set it off. He didn’t have a clue how the rebels would do it. It’s entirely possible he was expecting an espionage mission than a bunch of snub fighters trying to make a one in a million shot.

So it would have been possible for, say, a 4 person crew to infiltrate the Death Star and sabotage the faulty reactor using the Death Star plans carried by R2? It’s a good thing there was never the chance for such a sabotage mission or the Rebellion wouldn’t have needed to give away the position of its base and send almost all of its fighters to their destruction.
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I don’t know, and Galen didn’t either. According to the novelization, it’s implied that Galen signed off on the exhaust port design, but it was confirmed by Lucasfilm recently that he did not design them.

Besides, I doubt Luke and Co. were well equipped to perform such an activity, nevermind knew that was an option. After all, that’d require them to open up the plans (which they can’t just do, it seems like), they’d have to recognize the faulty reactor (And Galen would not just label “Hey, this reactor’s set to blow” on the plans, unlike “Tractor beam power switch”), and then they’d have to deliver a strong enough shock from a remote enough distance (as I doubt anyone but Leia or Ben would be willing to embark on a suicide mission, and one person is not a sufficient force against overwhelming odds, though the force may balance it out).

And that’s assuming it were possible. Neither Galen or myself know what the complete technical readout of that station looks like, so it’s entirely possible that wasn’t an option.

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Geonosians came up with the concept.

Motti was in charge of superstructure construction.

Krennic was in charge of the superlaser, with Galen Erso actually making it work.

Tarkin coordinated it all.

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doubleofive said:

Geonosians came up with the concept.

Motti was in charge of superstructure construction.

Krennic was in charge of the superlaser, with Galen Erso actually making it work.

Tarkin coordinated it all.

More than one person worked on it? That’s not believable at all!

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I love that this thread is not centered on the absolutely nonsensical “I am your father” death-knell to any semblance of SW continuity, but instead to this bizarre obscurantist, interpretive trivia.

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Yes, it’s specifically about continuity they Disney EU is trying to fix, not the mess that was Legend’s history of the Death Star.

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Darth Id said:

I love that this thread is not centered on the absolutely nonsensical “I am your father” death-knell to any semblance of SW continuity, but instead to this bizarre obscurantist, interpretive trivia.

Huh? Darth Vader being Luke’s father is a continuity error now?

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DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

The film suggests he was in charge of the whole thing, since Tarkin took over the control of the Death Star from him.

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imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

The film suggests he was in charge of the whole thing, since Tarkin took over the control of the Death Star from him.

Krennic was in control, not Galen.

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DominicCobb said:

imperialscum said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

The film suggests he was in charge of the whole thing, since Tarkin took over the control of the Death Star from him.

Krennic was in control, not Galen.

Right. I replied to the wrong post. I tried to reply to doubleofive.

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flametitan said:

NeverarGreat said:

flametitan said:

HP. Lovecraft said:

DominicCobb said:

Galen didn’t construct the DS, only the laser.

Then how did he construct a convenient way for the rebels to destroy it???

That’s a common misconception. He didn’t. All he did was make an unstable reactor to set off the chain reaction. That’s why he wanted the rebels to steal the plans, so they could figure out on their own how to set it off. He didn’t have a clue how the rebels would do it. It’s entirely possible he was expecting an espionage mission than a bunch of snub fighters trying to make a one in a million shot.

So it would have been possible for, say, a 4 person crew to infiltrate the Death Star and sabotage the faulty reactor using the Death Star plans carried by R2? It’s a good thing there was never the chance for such a sabotage mission or the Rebellion wouldn’t have needed to give away the position of its base and send almost all of its fighters to their destruction.
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I don’t know, and Galen didn’t either. According to the novelization, it’s implied that Galen signed off on the exhaust port design, but it was confirmed by Lucasfilm recently that he did not design them.

Besides, I doubt Luke and Co. were well equipped to perform such an activity, nevermind knew that was an option. After all, that’d require them to open up the plans (which they can’t just do, it seems like), they’d have to recognize the faulty reactor (And Galen would not just label “Hey, this reactor’s set to blow” on the plans, unlike “Tractor beam power switch”), and then they’d have to deliver a strong enough shock from a remote enough distance (as I doubt anyone but Leia or Ben would be willing to embark on a suicide mission, and one person is not a sufficient force against overwhelming odds, though the force may balance it out).

And that’s assuming it were possible. Neither Galen or myself know what the complete technical readout of that station looks like, so it’s entirely possible that wasn’t an option.

He tricked them into accepting vents as a solution, by providing sound alternatives that would definitely make it work yet required re-work and time line slippage. Ultimately the vents were accepted as a solution and the approval chain of command was short circuited.

Excerpt below of the exchange between Galen and engineering.

“SUPPLEMENTAL DATA: BATTLE STATION ENGINEERING NOTES

[Document #YM3884L (“Waste Radiation Distribution Solutions”), timestamped approximately eighteen months prior to Operation Fracture, sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

Erso:
I had the droids generate a new Systems Safety and Compatibility Report incorporating your team’s proposed adjustments to the reactor core. The new plans triggered a dozen subsystem warnings and spat out one blazing red stain on the line labeled “Hypermatter Annihilator Unit.” I didn’t bother asking my astromech how bad that could be—a redline on a critical system speaks for itself.
Why are we even making reactor modifications this late in the game?
Have your engineers check their work better next time. Suffice to say, no changes are approved.

[Document #YM3884M (“Reply to Waste Radiation Distribution Solutions”), sent from Galen Erso to Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran.]

Vodran:
Sincere apologies. I fully agree that this is unacceptable. The modifications are intended to reduce primary weapon recharge times to satisfactory levels (I’m sure you saw Tarkin’s directive) but sloppy work is sloppy work.
I assume you alerted Director Krennic to the report as well?
More as soon as I’ve spoken with my team.

[Document #YM3884N (“Reply to Waste Radiation Distribution Solutions”), sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

Director Krennic is copied on all SSCRs, but if he wants oversight on these particular modifications, it’s your responsibility to brief him on your problems.

[Document #YM3884O (“Reply to Waste Radiation Distribution Solutions”), sent from Galen Erso to Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran.]

Vodran:
I alerted the director personally, at your suggestion.

I also spoke to my team and we identified the problem. The reactor core modifications are resulting in radiation buildup, which in turn has the potential of interfering with the hypermatter annihilator.
The buildup is caused by the inner shield actively reflecting excess particles and metaphorically “cooking” the reactor core. Had the shielding team’s research not been so heavily compartmentalized this might have been avoided.
Nonetheless:
The reactor core modifications must remain as-is. Therefore, we are left with three possible ways of avoiding radiation buildup.
Option one: construction of a particle funnel and recycler. This is known and tested technology. I am confident it will function. Physical requirements mean the recycler would need to replace existing noncritical mechanisms under the northern command sector, but I estimate the needed disassembly would take under two weeks.
Option two: further refinement of our reactor technology to reduce waste particles. I have several team members keen on this possibility. They are excited about the potential for a technological breakthrough.
Option three: construction of manual venting shafts and thermal exhaust ports. This should reduce particle buildup to within tolerances but not to a degree I find personally acceptable. In addition, adding venting shafts risks additional incompatibilities with noncritical systems.
Please alert me if you have concerns.

[Document #YM3884P (“Reply to Waste Radiation Distribution Solutions”), sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

I oversaw construction of the northern command sector myself. Tarkin has already toured the facilities. If the particle funnel and recycler can’t go anywhere else, stick with options two and three.
You might want to give Krennic the final decision. He’s concerned about the timetable.

[Document #YM3884Q (“Particle Buildup”), sent from Galen Erso to Advanced Weapons Research Director Orson Krennic.]

Director:
As we discussed, attached are preliminary reports on two methods for reducing particle buildup. I made my preferences clear in person, but I defer to your judgment.

[Document #YM3884R (“Reply to Particle Buildup”), sent from Advanced Weapons Research Director Orson Krennic to Galen Erso.]

Galen:

New research and technological development is out of the question at this juncture. Work up a full proposal for the exhaust port solution and send the plans to Vodran for SSCR.

[Document #YM3884S (“Venting Shafts”), sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

Erso:
What is this trash? The Systems Safety and Compatibility Report quit running after two hundred redlines. I only reviewed the first dozen, but it looks like you’re flooding half the station with radiation?
I thought these venting shafts were supposed to solve the problem.
No changes are approved.

[Document #YM3884T (“Reply to Venting Shafts”), sent from Galen Erso to Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran.]

I repeat myself, but: I apologize.
As you know, an engineer may be single-minded in his or her focus on a particular task. I, along with my team, have fallen victim to the sin of hubris.
Of course I should have warned you that your droids might register dangers. The venting shafts are designed to expel the majority of the heat and particle buildup, but some radiation leakage is inevitable. We estimate that human crewmembers stationed in any of fifteen sections would—in the event that the battle station fires the primary weapon three times within one hour—be placed at increased risk for a wide variety of long-term health problems. The SSCR, of course, detected this in those “two hundred redlines.”
I am instructing my team to look into all options. To expedite matters, I must request the use of your droids in running several alternative scenarios.
This will be an inconvenience, I realize, but the safety of the battle station’s crew is paramount.

[Document #YM3884U (“Reply to Venting Shafts”), sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

Are the command sectors or officer quarters in the affected radiation zones?

[Document #YM3884V (“Reply to Venting Shafts”), sent from Galen Erso to Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran.]

No.

[Document #YM3884W (“Reply to Venting Shafts”), sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

Send me your final plans. I’ll declare the droids in error and override the next SSCR.
I’m not burying Krennic in redline reports while you figure out how to keep a handful of stormtroopers from developing a cough.

[Document #YM3884X (“Reply to Venting Shafts”), sent from Galen Erso to Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran.]

That’s not necessary. I’m certain we can resolve this. Even if a technical solution fails, we may be able to alter crew rotation schedules to mitigate any health risks.

[Document #YM3884Y (“Reply to Venting Shafts”), sent from Engineering Operations Manager Shaith Vodran to Galen Erso.]

You may be too obtuse to realize it, Erso, but I’m doing you a favor. This project needed to be done weeks ago.
Send me the final venting shaft and exhaust port plans. I’ll bypass SSCR and submit them for production, manufacturing, and installation.
Changes have been approved.”

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Cthulhunicron said:

Darth Id said:

I love that this thread is not centered on the absolutely nonsensical “I am your father” death-knell to any semblance of SW continuity, but instead to this bizarre obscurantist, interpretive trivia.

Huh? Darth Vader being Luke’s father is a continuity error now?

Not so much an error as a flamboyant abandonment.

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Darth Id said:

Cthulhunicron said:

Darth Id said:

I love that this thread is not centered on the absolutely nonsensical “I am your father” death-knell to any semblance of SW continuity, but instead to this bizarre obscurantist, interpretive trivia.

Huh? Darth Vader being Luke’s father is a continuity error now?

Not so much an error as a flamboyant abandonment.

Abandonment of what?

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Cthulhunicron said:

Darth Id said:

Cthulhunicron said:

Darth Id said:

I love that this thread is not centered on the absolutely nonsensical “I am your father” death-knell to any semblance of SW continuity, but instead to this bizarre obscurantist, interpretive trivia.

Huh? Darth Vader being Luke’s father is a continuity error now?

Not so much an error as a flamboyant abandonment.

Abandonment of what?

Of any of the original concepts pre-3rd(?) draft of ESB.

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