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For warbler.
Donald Trump was not democratically elected; he lost the popular vote by two percentage points. He won the electoral college, which is arguably an inherently undemocratic system.
The above political cartoon is not accurate.
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.
As an American it will affect me as it does any other citizen in any other country. My stand is that if people want to emigrate to the U.S. because they want a better life and they want to be a part of positive things, bring it. I can neither prove or disprove that there will be some wanting to do bad things once they get here. It happens worldwide. I know that during the Clinton Administration that due to the sheer volume of people wanting to come in that they started just allowing people without the paperwork or vetting that was normally mandatory for such things even then.
Has it affected the country? I’m sure it has. Will it hurt our country in the future? Probably some. Is it okay to want to put better procedures in place to help safe guard those coming with good intent and those already here with the same intent when they came? Abosulutely. Will we catch all the bad people? Eventually I’m sure. I get where you’re coming from and I agree with your sentiment. I also understand the need for a better and more efficient way to accomplish the work required to allow those folks wanting to start a new life as soon as possible.
“Better procedures” is a bald faced lie. The ignorance by those promoting this is either willful or uninformed, but it is still ignorance.
“I” am not promoting anything. “I” am just trying to have a conversation with you on the matter but apparently your intentions are not the same.
To clear up your misunderstanding, I wasn’t implying that you were promoting anything. Trump and the Republicans are the ones promoting this.
My intention is to point out that you are believing a lie. Do some reading into to information that groups who do refugee resettlement provide on this issue. They have been involved in this for a long time, and I would trust their information much more than I would some reporter or politician who just recently began taking a side on this. I suggest Church World Service. http://cwsglobal.org
I believe what I want, not what they tell me. I know my facts about the process up til now are solid. As I am agnostic, Church World Service isn’t my cup of tea when it comes to news, as I like to keep religion and politics separate.
I don’t know where you live and I am sorry you feel the way you do about the circumstances. I would like to see the process streamlined to make it easier for those wanting to start a new life and harder for those only interested in making it worse for everyone except themselves. If you take issue with that, it is your right, but it doesn’t mean what I believe is based on a lie.
I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.htmlSo much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.
Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:
And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.
I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-chaos-idUSKBN15C0LD
President Donald Trump’s sweeping ban on people seeking refuge in the United States and visitors from seven Muslim-majority countries caused confusion and panic among travelers on Saturday, with some turned back from U.S.-bound flights.
Immigration lawyers in New York sued to block the order, saying numerous people have already been unlawfully detained.
The new Republican president on Friday put a four-month hold on allowing refugees into the United States and temporarily barred travelers from Syria and six other Muslim-majority countries. He said the moves would protect Americans from terrorism.
The executive order prompted fury from Arab travelers in the Middle East and North Africa who said it was humiliating and discriminatory. It drew widespread criticism from U.S. Western allies including France and Germany, Arab American groups, human rights organizations.
“This is a stupid, terrible decision which will hurt the American people more than us or anybody else, because it shows that this President can’t manage people, politics or global relationships,” said Najeed Haidari, a Yemeni-American security manager for an oil company in the Yemeni capital Sanaa.
The bans affect travelers with passports from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen and even extends to green card holders who are granted authorization to live and work in the United States, according to a Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman.
In Cairo, five Iraqi passengers and one Yemeni were barred from boarding an EgyptAir flight to New York on Saturday, sources at Cairo airport said.
The passengers, arriving in transit to Cairo airport, were stopped and re-directed to flights headed for their home countries despite holding valid visas, the sources said.
Quote from above article …
“This is a stupid, terrible decision which will hurt the American people more than us or anybody else, because it shows that this President can’t manage people, politics or global relationships,” said Najeed Haidari, a Yemeni-American security manager for an oil company in the Yemeni capital Sanaa."
Yet these are the same people who are saying …
“The executive order prompted fury from Arab travelers in the Middle East and North Africa who said it was humiliating and discriminatory. It drew widespread criticism from U.S. Western allies including France and Germany, Arab American groups, human rights organizations.”
Sooooooo, if it hurts Americans more than them, wtf are they complaining about? LOL
More.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-muslim-refugee-ban_us_588cb24ee4b0176377948a09
It’s just unbelievable.
The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.
A couple of months old but still relevant.
The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.
Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.
This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.
It’s the truth.
They are all evil.Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.
For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.
I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.
Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.
I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.
Holy moly! I’m informed, not desperate, and have no party loyalty whatsoever. It’s absolutely crushing to be diagnosed as evil. Do I have full blown evil or just a touch of the evil??? Shoot me straight Frink how long have I got?!
I don’t know, how evil are you if you fall into the “I think other people’s misfortunes are funny” category?
You know I don’t Frink.
could have fooled me.
I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.htmlSo much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.
Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:
And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.
I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?
Well, technically, unless done as an act of self defense or defense of others(or on a battle field in war), it would be considered assault, which is illegal.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/middleeast/iran-will-ban-us-citizens/
Has he called her President of England yet?
Presidents tend to get elected.
We have an unelected party leader as unelected Prime Minister to an hereditary monarch.
But I thought your Prime Minister was the leader of the party in the majority in the House of Commons? Isn’t that decided via elections?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/middleeast/iran-will-ban-us-citizens/
Not many will care, but this will prevent missionaries from going into Iran to spread the gospel message.
^AFAIK Trump is right at that. I recall that Christian refugees rarely make it to the U.S. because they are driven out and murdered by Muslims.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/christians-refugees-trump/514820/
The announcement was met with immediate backlash from leaders of nearly every Christian denomination, along with those of other faiths. They argue that Trump’s actions do not reflect the teachings of the Bible, nor the traditions of the United States, and they have urged the president to let them get back to work—many of the country’s most prominent refugee resettlement organizations are faith-based.
“Christ calls us to care for everyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from,” said Jenny Yang, the senior vice president of advocacy and policy at World Relief, the arm of the National Association of Evangelicals that provides refugee and immigration resettlement services. “That has to be a core part of our witness—not just caring for our own, but caring for others as well.”
The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official body of the Church in America, also declared that it “strongly opposes” Trump’s executive orders. “We believe in assisting all those who are vulnerable and fleeing persecution, regardless of their religion,” said Bishop Joe Vásquez of Austin, Texas, in a statement. “This includes Christians, as well as Yazidis and Shia Muslims from Syria, Rohingyas from Burma, and other religious minorities. However, we need to protect all our brothers and sisters of all faiths, including Muslims.”
I was saying that think Trump is correct on the statement that Christians are persecuted in those areas. I didn’t say I agreed with the complete ban.
As it stands, I’m not too broken up about it, though. I do think that there is reason for concern about Islamic terrorists coming into the U.S. On the other hand, this could just make terrorist groups (and the countries themselves) more hostile. It’s hard to say if there will ever be a good way of dealing with this problem.
I’m liking most everything else he’s doing and he’s just fulfilling more campaign promises by issuing the ban.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.
This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.
When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?
I’m liking most everything else he’s doing and he’s just fulfilling more campaign promises by issuing the ban.
Do you know what would be nice? If he would put some thought into these things before doing them. Leaving aside whether or not you agree with his executive orders, he’s just throwing them all out there without any consultation or consideration for the effects, and no one knows what the hell is going on. Confusion and chaos.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/28/middleeast/iran-will-ban-us-citizens/
Not many will care, but this will prevent missionaries from going into Iran to spread the gospel message.
Definitely not good.
It’s the same as when we raise tariffs, the other country raises them right back.
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SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
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THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.
This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.
When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?
Not to mention Trump just did it (literally) overnight with no warning by signing an executive order (rather than bringing it through Congress - you know, how our government is supposed to work).
I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.htmlSo much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.
Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:
And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.
I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?
That’s beautiful. Best part is, if you watch the video, he’s describing his Pepe pin right as he gets socked. So perfect.
I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.htmlSo much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.
Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:
And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.
I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?
Well, technically, unless done as an act of self defense or defense of others(or on a battle field in war), it would be considered assault, which is illegal.
I don’t give a shit. Lots of things are illegal. Like jaywalking, but I do it all the time because sometimes it needs to be done.
I’m liking most everything else he’s doing and he’s just fulfilling more campaign promises by issuing the ban.
Do you know what would be nice? If he would put some thought into these things before doing them. Leaving aside whether or not you agree with his executive orders, he’s just throwing them all out there without any consultation or consideration for the effects, and no one knows what the hell is going on. Confusion and chaos.
Don’t forget, he is also doing these things via executive orders and not through Congress. I thought this was supposed to be a bad way of governing. The Republicans sure thought so when Obama was doing it.
Trump better than Nixon?
“Don’t get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects.”
The only response I can make is, he’s stated he was going to do it, and he’s done it. Whether anyone agrees with it or not is moot, he made this promise and he’s keeping it, it isn’t like it’s out of left field news.
This is a garbage post. Whether anyone agrees with it or not, is most certainly not moot.
When Obama was elected in 2008, it was well known he was going to try to pass health care legislation, did that make moot whether anyone agreed or not?
Not to mention Trump just did it (literally) overnight with no warning by signing an executive order (rather than bringing it through Congress - you know, how our government is supposed to work).
I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.htmlSo much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.
Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:
And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.
I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?
That’s beautiful. Best part is, if you watch the video, he’s describing his Pepe pin right as he gets socked. So perfect.
I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.htmlSo much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.
Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:
And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.
I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?
Well, technically, unless done as an act of self defense or defense of others(or on a battle field in war), it would be considered assault, which is illegal.
I don’t give a shit. Lots of things are illegal. Like jaywalking, but I do it all the time because sometimes it needs to be done.
Assault is a little more serious than jaywalking. Trust me, you’d give a shit if you were arrested for assault. Mind you, slugging a nazi is tempting and if someone did and I was there, my head might conveniently be turned in direction where I couldn’t see what happened. Nonetheless, assault is assault, and nazi has the same 1st amendment rights that you or I have.
Aren’t there still Americans imprisoned in Iran? (And one fellow who went missing.) This can’t bode well for ever getting them out.
Where were you in '77?
I guess it’s hard to govern when you can’t see anything past “lock her up” or “build that wall” or “drill baby drill.”
Trump better than Nixon?
“Don’t get the impression that you arouse my anger. You see, one can only be angry with those he respects.”
Trump is already 1000% worse than Nixon. People just assume he was the worst president ever because he resigned in shame. Paranoid? Yes. Criminal? Little bit. Bad president? Not really.
