Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 64

Stinky-Dinkins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Stinky-Dinkins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

Warbler said:

Bingowings said:

moviefreakedmind said:

generalfrevious said:

moviefreakedmind said:

The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.

Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.

This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.

It’s the truth.
They are all evil.

Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.

For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.

I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.

Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.

I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.

Holy moly! I’m informed, not desperate, and have no party loyalty whatsoever. It’s absolutely crushing to be diagnosed as evil. Do I have full blown evil or just a touch of the evil??? Shoot me straight Frink how long have I got?!

I don’t know, how evil are you if you fall into the “I think other people’s misfortunes are funny” category?

You know I don’t Frink.

I do? You don’t?

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

dahmage said:

Jetrell Fo said:

Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.

Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.

https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/

Frink’s favorite go-to site.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/federal-eye/wp/2015/11/17/senior-obama-officials-have-warned-of-challenges-in-screening-refugees-from-syria/?utm_term=.054afa663b35

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html

I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.

LOL

So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.

As an American it will affect me as it does any other citizen in any other country. My stand is that if people want to emigrate to the U.S. because they want a better life and they want to be a part of positive things, bring it. I can neither prove or disprove that there will be some wanting to do bad things once they get here. It happens worldwide. I know that during the Clinton Administration that due to the sheer volume of people wanting to come in that they started just allowing people without the paperwork or vetting that was normally mandatory for such things even then.

Has it affected the country? I’m sure it has. Will it hurt our country in the future? Probably some. Is it okay to want to put better procedures in place to help safe guard those coming with good intent and those already here with the same intent when they came? Abosulutely. Will we catch all the bad people? Eventually I’m sure. I get where you’re coming from and I agree with your sentiment. I also understand the need for a better and more efficient way to accomplish the work required to allow those folks wanting to start a new life as soon as possible.

“Better procedures” is a bald faced lie. The ignorance by those promoting this is either willful or uninformed, but it is still ignorance.

“I” am not promoting anything. “I” am just trying to have a conversation with you on the matter but apparently your intentions are not the same.

“http://www.unnecessaryquotes.com/”

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/27/politics/trump-christian-refugees/index.html

President Donald Trump said in a new interview Friday that persecuted Christians will be given priority over other refugees seeking to enter the United States, saying they have been “horribly treated.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoYrr2h0agY

From the Vault: Barack Obama’s first week as president.

Dek Rollins said:

^AFAIK Trump is right at that. I recall that Christian refugees rarely make it to the U.S. because they are driven out and murdered by Muslims.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/christians-refugees-trump/514820/

The announcement was met with immediate backlash from leaders of nearly every Christian denomination, along with those of other faiths. They argue that Trump’s actions do not reflect the teachings of the Bible, nor the traditions of the United States, and they have urged the president to let them get back to work—many of the country’s most prominent refugee resettlement organizations are faith-based.

“Christ calls us to care for everyone, regardless of who they are and where they come from,” said Jenny Yang, the senior vice president of advocacy and policy at World Relief, the arm of the National Association of Evangelicals that provides refugee and immigration resettlement services. “That has to be a core part of our witness—not just caring for our own, but caring for others as well.”

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, the official body of the Church in America, also declared that it “strongly opposes” Trump’s executive orders. “We believe in assisting all those who are vulnerable and fleeing persecution, regardless of their religion,” said Bishop Joe Vásquez of Austin, Texas, in a statement. “This includes Christians, as well as Yazidis and Shia Muslims from Syria, Rohingyas from Burma, and other religious minorities. However, we need to protect all our brothers and sisters of all faiths, including Muslims.”

I mean, let’s face it guys. Trump has somehow proven to be just as bad as everyone expected in record time. All those hopes of “he won’t be able to actually do anything” have proven to be very sadly mistaken. I don’t want to sound like doomsaying frevious, but the country is hurtling straight towards fascism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html

Plenty of GOP Senators, Representatives, and other elected officials publicly derided Trump’s calls for an immigration ban during his campaign (VP Pence included). The fact that they’re all willing to roll over and let Trump do his thing is utterly disgraceful. If Congress let’s shit like this (and all of Trump’s other heinous plans) come to be, and I don’t even want to think of what comes next. If these people are willing to sacrifice the basic tenants of our country and democracy for the sake of partisan politics then we’re headed to a dark place.

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.

So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?

You miss the point. The countries that the hijackers originated from are not considered “sponsors of terrorism” now and weren’t then either.

Trump has either neglected banning those countries now do to incompetence or political reasons. But the truth here is that he didn’t actually check which countries the hijackers came from, he just made that shit up.

http://www.salon.com/2017/01/27/president-trumps-voters-seem-to-be-fine-with-him-using-a-private-email-poll/

Proof that Trump supporters either didn’t know what the email thing was about or didn’t care, they just wanted to “get that bitch.”

More disgusting hypocrisy.

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.

So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?

You miss the point. The countries that the hijackers originated from are not considered “sponsors of terrorism” now and weren’t then either.

Trump has either neglected banning those countries now do to incompetence or political reasons.

Don’t forget (personal) financial reasons.

Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

I mean, let’s face it guys. Trump has somehow proven to be just as bad as everyone expected in record time. All those hopes of “he won’t be able to actually do anything” have proven to be very sadly mistaken. I don’t want to sound like doomsaying frevious, but the country is hurtling straight towards fascism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/opinion/trumps-immigration-ban-is-illegal.html

Plenty of GOP Senators, Representatives, and other elected officials publicly derided Trump’s calls for an immigration ban during his campaign (VP Pence included). The fact that they’re all willing to roll over and let Trump do his thing is utterly disgraceful. If Congress let’s shit like this (and all of Trump’s other heinous plans) come to be, and I don’t even want to think of what comes next. If these people are willing to sacrifice the basic tenants of our country and democracy for the sake of partisan politics then we’re headed to a dark place.

Yo, dude you know it’s a bad idea when none other than Tricky Dick Cheney himself says it’s a bad idea.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dick-cheney-donald-trump-muslim-ban-extreme

Cheney, a decisive conservative himself, said Monday on The Hugh Hewitt Show that the ban “goes against everything we stand for and believe in.”

“I think this whole notion that somehow we can just say no more Muslims, just ban a whole religion, goes against everything we stand for and believe in. I mean, religious freedom has been a very important part of our history and where we came from,” Cheney said on a Monday appearance on the radio show. “A lot of people, my ancestors got here, because they were Puritans.”

If I’m on the same side as Dick Cheney on something, the country truly has gone to shit.

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jeebus said:

doubleofive said:

Lord Haseo said:

MalàStrana said:

Lord Haseo said:

TV’s Frink said:

doubleofive said:

And IGNORING war, noise, and poverty does not make the country have peace, quiet, and prosperity.

I guess it might for you if you aren’t Muslim. Or gay. Or a woman. Or poor. Or black. Or Latino. Or [insert non-oppressed person here].

THIS

What “this” ? Are people oppressed or do they just feel that way ? Reality vs perception…

Let me give you agander into what my reality is. As a brown skinned mixed man who happens to be bisexual I have been paranoid of someone trying me ever since that prick won. It’s gotten to the point where I’m looking up self defense laws. News stories like the one Frink posted are why I’m looking that shit up. People like you and millions of others can ignore these kind of things because it will never affect you but for people like me the fear is anything but someone’s skewed perception.

And the news article proves this isn’t paranoia. It very well could happen. The current administration distrusts everyone who’s not a straight, white, cis male, and every single thing they’ve done in the last week proves it.

In the same way it’s not paranoia to be constantly worried about being blown up in a terrorist attack because terrorist attacks happen.

I’m gonna just make an assumption without looking for statistics that getting assaulted due to race/gender/sexuality is extraordinarily more likely than being attacked by a terrorist.

I can’t make that assumption.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett

I count 13 incidents since 2009.

http://www.ncavp.org/common/document_files/Reports/2004NationalHV Report.pdf

This is only LGBT violence for two years (2003-2004). A couple of thousand each year.

I’ve got a couple issues with the first article. Firstly, it only covers Islamic terror attacks, and secondly I think it’s more fair to compare victims to victims rather than incidents to incidents.

I’m using the dreaded Wikipedia as a source for this; since the Little Rock, Arkansas shooting there have been 26 terror attacks, with 637 total victims (unless I did my math wrong somewhere down the line). That’s not to say that they’re on the same level obviously, since the terror attacks span 8 years but don’t account for even half of LGBT violence in a year.

Even so, both of those figures are pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things. It’s irrational to go around fearing things like this, because the odds of it happening to you are 3720 to 1 😉

Problem is, the current administration is perpetuating one of those paranoias while doing nothing to quell the other.

Also, little old, but relevant:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-24/white-americans-are-biggest-terror-threat-united-states

Plus, as far as I know, of all the deadly mass shootings in US history, only San Bernadino involved a Muslim immigrant (and she was born in Pakistan and raised in Saudi Arabia - neither of which is only Trump’s ban list).

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.

So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?

You miss the point. The countries that the hijackers originated from are not considered “sponsors of terrorism” now and weren’t then either.

Trump has either neglected banning those countries now do to incompetence or political reasons.

Don’t forget (personal) financial reasons.

Sorry, thought it went without saying that 95% of Trump’s decisions have to do with making more money somewhere, somehow.

I know some of it’s been posted here but this polling is sad indeed:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2017/01/americans-think-trump-will-be-worst-president-since-nixon.html

So much to digest. First of all it seems that in almost every way our elected officials are doing what we don’t want.

Obviously the email stat just makes me want to throw myself into a fire but this is even sadder:

And finally only 18% of voters think it’s acceptable to punch a Nazi in the face, to 51% who say it’s unacceptable and 31% who are unsure on the moral quandary of our times.

I mean, really? This isn’t okay anymore?

On that much I agree.

By the way, was happy to learn yesterday that Richard Spencer actually got punched in the face TWICE! There is some small justice in this world.

TV’s Frink said:

Has he called her President of England yet?

Presidents tend to get elected.
We have an unelected party leader as unelected Prime Minister to an hereditary monarch.

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/825192193933590528

CIA doc relevant to US visa ban: What if Foreigners Realize that the US is an Exporter of Terrorism?

https://twitter.com/gqforbes4/status/823519964011364352

Here’s why Obama/Hiliary ordered #Benghazi stand-down order #dtmag @SenatorSessions @potus?

For warbler.