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This should be a fun couple of pages coming up…
Anyway, where are all the Republicans who complained about Emperor Obama signing executive orders?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38777437
At this rate Trump is going to out-executive-order Obama by next Tuesday. Gotta love those hypocritical Republicans!
I’m usually not a political cartoon guy, but the one Warb posted a couple pages back was spot on, I thought.
It’s a hilarious hypocrisy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/trump-hiring-freeze-veterans-affairs.html
President Trump’s move this week to freeze the hiring of federal workers has sowed confusion in the Department of Veterans Affairs, and it may be driving a wedge between the president and veterans, who overwhelmingly backed him during his campaign.
Veterans make up nearly a third of all federal workers — about 623,000 people. And they are especially numerous in low-level support jobs likely to bear the brunt of the freeze.
“This has sent shock waves across the entire veteran community,” Paul Rieckhoff, chief executive of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, said in an interview this week. “A lot of our members are extremely worried.”
Officials at the Department of Veterans Affairs are still trying to figure out the effects of the freeze.
Hopefully our vets remember this treatment come midterms.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
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(It hasn’t happened yet)
There will be no midterm elections. If there are any in 2018, people most likely to vote Democrat will be disenfranchised through draconian voter ID laws Trump and the Republicans will have plenty of time to pass by then.
Martial law is inevitable.
According to this post, the old politics thread is now permanently dead, thus I created this thread for y’all.
THREAD RULES:
- Obviously, all the rules here must be obeyed
- No crazy conspiracy theories (aliens killed JFK, Elvis did 911, Moon Landing was faked, 911 was an inside job)
- No ridiculous doom saying (like all non-Trump supporters will be rounded up and executed)
- No Frink vs Jetrell
- Debate and not Flame
generalfrievous, you are in violation of Rule #3 of the Politics 2 (AKA Electric Boogaloo) thread. You are now under house arrest. One more outburst like that and the Secret Police will raid your house, kidnap your family, and take you to a labor camp!
In all seriousness, man, you really are violating the rules and providing nothing constructive. In the words of a good friend of mine: “Now that I’ve thought about it, aren’t we overreacting a little too much…”
I’ve been lenient with him by not reporting him thus far, but his second and third chances are up. He does it again, I’ll report him lickety-split.
I’ve been lenient with him by not reporting him thus far. When he continues, I will pull that much courtesy out from under him.
WYSHS
I refer you to jedited post. 😛
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/middleeast/trump-visa-muslim-ban.html
Families, businesspeople, athletes and tourists from seven countries in the Middle East and Africa found their travel plans — and even their futures — in a state of suspension on Friday after President Trump signed an executive order temporarily barring thousands from obtaining visas to travel to the United States.
The order is expected to freeze almost all travel to the United States by citizens from the Muslim-majority countries of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen for at least 90 days. Three of those countries are considered sponsors of terrorism (Iran, Sudan and Syria), and three are designated countries of concern (Libya, Somalia and Yemen).
Passport-holders from those countries, who have American visas but are outside the United States, will not be permitted to return.
“We only want to admit those who will support our country and love deeply our people,” Mr. Trump said on Friday before signing the order at the Pentagon. “We will never forget the lessons of 9/11, nor the heroes who lost their lives at the Pentagon.”
(The 19 hijackers implicated in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack came from Egypt, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. None of those countries will be subject to what Mr. Trump described as “new vetting measures.”)
That motherFUCKER.
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
This is certainly an odd story. Since my professional experience with TSA doesn’t count for anything at all here I’m just gonna let people read and research themselves.
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
So, I don’t know if immigration personally affects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.
I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.
It’s hilarious to me how absolutely terrible Trump is at being the President of America. We’d have had better luck electing a small child. I mean, we did, because he’s a massive baby and has the same attention span, but I mean an actual small child.
Also anyone who thinks that we just let people into the country willy-nilly has no idea how immigration works. You wonder why people do it illegally? It’s because it’s nearly impossible to get in legally.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
It’s hilarious to me how absolutely terrible Trump is at being the President of America. We’d have had better luck electing a small child. I mean, we did, because he’s a massive baby and has the same attention span, but I mean an actual small child.
Don’t forget his tiny hands.
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.
There’s also this:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.
So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?
It’s hilarious to me how absolutely terrible Trump is at being the President of America. We’d have had better luck electing a small child. I mean, we did, because he’s a massive baby and has the same attention span, but I mean an actual small child.
Don’t forget his tiny hands.
Making fun of someone for their appearance rather than content of character.
Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.
As an American it will affect me as it does any other citizen in any other country. My stand is that if people want to emigrate to the U.S. because they want a better life and they want to be a part of positive things, bring it. I can neither prove or disprove that there will be some wanting to do bad things once they get here. It happens worldwide. I know that during the Clinton Administration that due to the sheer volume of people wanting to come in that they started just allowing people without the paperwork or vetting that was normally mandatory for such things even then.
Has it affected the country? I’m sure it has. Will it hurt our country in the future? Probably some. Is it okay to want to put better procedures in place to help safe guard those coming with good intent and those already here with the same intent when they came? Abosulutely. Will we catch all the bad people? Eventually I’m sure. I get where you’re coming from and I agree with your sentiment. I also understand the need for a better and more efficient way to accomplish the work required to allow those folks wanting to start a new life as soon as possible.
I just like how Trump says we have to learn the lessons of 9/11 and proceeds to ban people from countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 while not banning people from countries that did.
So, if we were to learn things from the occurrences in the Cold War, such lessons would only be applicable to another conflict with Russia?
It’s hilarious to me how absolutely terrible Trump is at being the President of America. We’d have had better luck electing a small child. I mean, we did, because he’s a massive baby and has the same attention span, but I mean an actual small child.
Don’t forget his tiny hands.
Making fun of someone for their appearance rather than content of character.
He’s never made fun of someone based on their appearance, eva.
😉
And IGNORING war, noise, and poverty does not make the country have peace, quiet, and prosperity.
I guess it might for you if you aren’t Muslim. Or gay. Or a woman. Or poor. Or black. Or Latino. Or [insert non-oppressed person here].
THIS
What “this” ? Are people oppressed or do they just feel that way ? Reality vs perception…
Let me give you agander into what my reality is. As a brown skinned mixed man who happens to be bisexual I have been paranoid of someone trying me ever since that prick won. It’s gotten to the point where I’m looking up self defense laws. News stories like the one Frink posted are why I’m looking that shit up. People like you and millions of others can ignore these kind of things because it will never affect you but for people like me the fear is anything but someone’s skewed perception.
And the news article proves this isn’t paranoia. It very well could happen. The current administration distrusts everyone who’s not a straight, white, cis male, and every single thing they’ve done in the last week proves it.
In the same way it’s not paranoia to be constantly worried about being blown up in a terrorist attack because terrorist attacks happen.
I’m gonna just make an assumption without looking for statistics that getting assaulted due to race/gender/sexuality is extraordinarily more likely than being attacked by a terrorist.
I can’t make that assumption.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett
I count 13 incidents since 2009.
http://www.ncavp.org/common/document_files/Reports/2004NationalHV Report.pdf
This is only LGBT violence for two years (2003-2004). A couple of thousand each year.
I’ve got a couple issues with the first article. Firstly, it only covers Islamic terror attacks, and secondly I think it’s more fair to compare victims to victims rather than incidents to incidents.
I’m using the dreaded Wikipedia as a source for this; since the Little Rock, Arkansas shooting there have been 26 terror attacks, with 637 total victims (unless I did my math wrong somewhere down the line). That’s not to say that they’re on the same level obviously, since the terror attacks span 8 years but don’t account for even half of LGBT violence in a year.
Even so, both of those figures are pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things. It’s irrational to go around fearing things like this, because the odds of it happening to you are 3720 to 1 😉
And IGNORING war, noise, and poverty does not make the country have peace, quiet, and prosperity.
I guess it might for you if you aren’t Muslim. Or gay. Or a woman. Or poor. Or black. Or Latino. Or [insert non-oppressed person here].
THIS
What “this” ? Are people oppressed or do they just feel that way ? Reality vs perception…
Let me give you agander into what my reality is. As a brown skinned mixed man who happens to be bisexual I have been paranoid of someone trying me ever since that prick won. It’s gotten to the point where I’m looking up self defense laws. News stories like the one Frink posted are why I’m looking that shit up. People like you and millions of others can ignore these kind of things because it will never affect you but for people like me the fear is anything but someone’s skewed perception.
And the news article proves this isn’t paranoia. It very well could happen. The current administration distrusts everyone who’s not a straight, white, cis male, and every single thing they’ve done in the last week proves it.
In the same way it’s not paranoia to be constantly worried about being blown up in a terrorist attack because terrorist attacks happen.
I’m gonna just make an assumption without looking for statistics that getting assaulted due to race/gender/sexuality is extraordinarily more likely than being attacked by a terrorist.
I can’t make that assumption.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/11410/complete-list-radical-islamic-terror-attacks-us-james-barrett
I count 13 incidents since 2009.
http://www.ncavp.org/common/document_files/Reports/2004NationalHV Report.pdf
This is only LGBT violence for two years (2003-2004). A couple of thousand each year.
I’ve got a couple issues with the first article. Firstly, it only covers Islamic terror attacks, and secondly I think it’s more fair to compare victims to victims rather than incidents to incidents.
I’m using the dreaded Wikipedia as a source for this; since the Little Rock, Arkansas shooting there have been 26 terror attacks, with 637 total victims (unless I did my math wrong somewhere down the line). That’s not to say that they’re on the same level obviously, since the terror attacks span 8 years but don’t account for even half of LGBT violence in a year.
Even so, both of those figures are pretty damn low in the grand scheme of things. It’s irrational to go around fearing things like this, because the odds of it happening to you are 3720 to 1 😉
“Never tell me the odds.”
😉
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.
There’s also this:
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
That’s also a good reason. But not as personal for me. This topic gets me very fired up, so I will probably leave it at this. “Let the refugees come!”
The idea that your future was robbed by Trump is like a parody of the most insane anti-Trump people.
Here’s a fact: all rich and/or conservative people are inherently evil, and want all poor people to die.
This kind of crap is why no one on this forum likes you.
It’s the truth.
They are all evil.Not all conservatives and/or rich people are evil. Some are, some aren’t.
For one thing Trump and the Brexiteers aren’t conservative. They are reactionary. But they are all evil, every last one of them.
I would try to argue the point with you, but I think that would be pointless. Not all Conservatives are evil.
Trump isn’t conservative. A conservative wants to maintain what exists and only change as a matter of last resort. Trump wants to roll backwards to a mythical better time. He is a reactionary. He is evil. his supporters are evil. All of them.
I agree with most of this, but I take issue with all Trump supporters being evil. Some of his supporters are just not very informed. Some are desperate. Some are blinded by party loyalty (ironic since Trump is not Conservative, as you said). Some are evil.
Holy moly! I’m informed, not desperate, and have no party loyalty whatsoever. It’s absolutely crushing to be diagnosed as evil. Do I have full blown evil or just a touch of the evil??? Shoot me straight Frink how long have I got?!
I don’t know, how evil are you if you fall into the “I think other people’s misfortunes are funny” category?
You know I don’t Frink. We clearly see things through different lenses. These are interesting times we’re in, my friend.
Weird that some wanna make it sound like brimstone and fire without actually saying it. Our own intelligence community has stated that it is almost impossible to fully vet these folks and there are 1000 investigations with the FBI at present. There are apparently plenty of immigrants/refugees that don’t even have paperwork they’re supposed to have after being vetted while being here so I don’t know why at least a temporary furlong on this matter is even an issue.
Let them get it sorted and then complain if they don’t agree with some of the criteria.
https://homeland.house.gov/press/nations-top-security-officials-concerns-on-refugee-vetting/
Frink’s favorite go-to site.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-syria-refugees-vetting-gap-20170125-story.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abraham-r-wagner/vetting-syrian-refugees-m_b_8593438.html
I should add that this problem goes at least as far back as the Clinton Administration, probably farther, so it’s not like it’s a big lie or something.
LOL
So, I don’t know if immigration personally effects you, but I happen to live in a city that is very supportive of refugees, and has helped settle way more than the national average. I have good friends that work in resettlement. It is completely untrue that more needs to be done to vet refugees. It takes forever to come to the US as refugees. It is absolutely shameful the way politicians are using fear of terrorists coming as refugees for getting more support. The argument is easy to make, and sounds oh so wise “let’s just take a moment to make sure it is safe”. Well, it’s a very sneaky lie. It is already just about as safe as you can make it. I am sick and tired of hearing these uninformed, but well intentioned sounding statements. I say, let us do some good for refugees, and some good for the US, and keep bringing them in. Refugees make America stronger.
As an American it will affect me as it does any other citizen in any other country. My stand is that if people want to emigrate to the U.S. because they want a better life and they want to be a part of positive things, bring it. I can neither prove or disprove that there will be some wanting to do bad things once they get here. It happens worldwide. I know that during the Clinton Administration that due to the sheer volume of people wanting to come in that they started just allowing people without the paperwork or vetting that was normally mandatory for such things even then.
Has it affected the country? I’m sure it has. Will it hurt our country in the future? Probably some. Is it okay to want to put better procedures in place to help safe guard those coming with good intent and those already here with the same intent when they came? Abosulutely. Will we catch all the bad people? Eventually I’m sure. I get where you’re coming from and I agree with your sentiment. I also understand the need for a better and more efficient way to accomplish the work required to allow those folks wanting to start a new life as soon as possible.
“Better procedures” is a bald faced lie. The ignorance by those promoting this is either willful or uninformed, but it is still ignorance.
It’s hilarious to me how absolutely terrible Trump is at being the President of America. We’d have had better luck electing a small child. I mean, we did, because he’s a massive baby and has the same attention span, but I mean an actual small child.
Don’t forget his tiny hands.
Making fun of someone for their appearance rather than content of character.
I’m making fun of his massive insecurity over something that isn’t in any way a problem.