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"If the shot is is compressed, would it still be in standard 4:3 resolution? I'm just curious if it'd be beneficial at all to work with."

Because it has more vertical resolution than the 4x3 image, and much more than a letterboxed transfer. While it won't look as good as the DVD, it's the next best thing, because it is ready to be expanded for an anamorphic image. Maybe I'll compile it for you (before/after), and let you be the judge.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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sweet. Shoot a link when you have one.
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If anyones interested I've made a copy of the Shaw/Anakins Ghost ending from the Jedi SE 1997 G'Kar dvd - AKA German HDTV version. It's in PAL format, and while not in fact from an HDTV broadcast, it is true anamorphic from a digital broadcast, and is probably going to be the best quality/resolution version of the clip you're going to find.

I've uploaded it to rapidshare, here: ROTJ Shaw Ending
(scroll down page, click on 'Free' where it says 'Select your download:')

FYI I used MPEG2CUT http://www.videohelp.com/tools?tool=MPEG2Cut
to simply clip out the last 30 seconds of the movie. Its approx 16MB. If its retained the original soundtracks then it should have a 5.1 German audio, 5.1 English Upmix, and English Stereo.
You may want to rename the file from .VOB to .mpg as some players don't seem to like the VOB version.

Compared to the 2004 releases the GKar 1997 versions - and probably the similar French Reivax versions look like the best bet for de-SE'ing the Trilogy, as they're (virtually) DVD quality haven't had their colours mucked about with like the 2004 versions.
Having seen the detail in Moth3r's version of ANH, I'm thinking this could be a good candidate for editing with these 1997 SE discs. Plus they're both PAL of course.
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I was the first to download! Thanks very much for this.

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“Back when we made Star Wars, we just couldn’t make Palpatine as evil as we intended. Now, thanks to the miracles of technology, it is finally possible. Finally, I’ve created the movies that I originally imagined.” -George Lucas on the 2007 Extra Extra Special HD-DVD Edition

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I've also done the vader unmasking scene, with Shaws eyebrows intact. The full scene is 73 MB and i'm having trouble finding somewhere to host it, so if anyone wants it and has any bright ideas, let me know.
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Use yousendit.com, and give the link to ADM (or you could use yourshareit.com to give to everybody.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Thanks mebejedi, I'm biting the bullet and uploading to yousendit. I've tried uploading a few files with youshareit and never got it to work with files larger than a few MB - the uploads never seem to finish uploading for some reason, and i've tried it using firefox and EI and still no joy. So fingers crossed with yousendit. Was hoping to share it with everyone, but yousendit will have to do. At least it'll be released into the wild then

I've now tried rapidshare, youshareit and yousendit, are there any other free file hosts people would recommend?

UPDATE: The file is now up on yousendit. PM's are on the way.
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I'm trying YouSendIt for the first time, based on the conversation above. Try this link for Darth Editous' fixed saber m2v file from ANH . Hopefully it'll work. It's in NTSC format and is ready to snap in. DE did a bang up job on this, as well as new crawls for my prequel re-edits, which I'll discuss in another thread when I'm ready to launch.

Here's what you need to do in Womble to get these snippets to work:
1) Demux to elementary streams, so you're working solely with the m2v or mpv stream.
2) Using Womble MPEG Video Editor, under tools/Mpeg Video GOP fixer run the "fix GOP timecode and PTS errors. I've found this necessary on all the Star Wars DVDs. Otherwise, the stream just stops around 1:23. I don't know why, and it was dumb luck or genius intuition that led me to fixing the streams with this tool on first try. Anyway, save the stream to a new file.
3) Womble will allow you to do a frame accurate cuts. Remove the entire shot and replace with the file above. Luke's saber is now blue, like it is supposed to be.
4) If Lucas trys to trump up some plot point to justify this as a Deliberate Creative Decision in Ep III, grab your torches and pitchforks.

Anyway, this is the first usable file I've posted in a while, after my ROTJ fixes in the early days of this thread. It's all Darth Editous' genious though. I just was given the benefit of it.

S7en, I got your file, by the way, but can't get it to play yet. I'll keep working on it.
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S7en, I got your file, by the way, but can't get it to play yet. I'll keep working on it.


Assuming it survived the upload:
If you haven't already tried it, like the earlier shaw/ghost clip, you could try renaming it to an .mpg file to play it.
As a .VOB file I only windows media player successfully played it. When I try the .vob in powerdvd initially it doesn't want to play, but i found if you click in the time/progress bar when its trying to open it, for somereason it decides to work.
Yet when renamed as a .mpg file it plays it with no problem at all. Weird.

Hope you have some success with it.
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Thanks s7ven! That will save me some headaches when it comes to ROTJ. It's close to DVD quality, far better than I could hope to capture from my SE LDs.

Anybody seen Darth Editous online recently? I've been missing his updates.


As MF said, I've got one last tricky edit to do. There's only about a second left to edit but it's tediously slow going

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Glad you found it useful. If you need any other scenes from the G'Kar trilogy let me know. Or PM me if you need a copy of this set.
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Originally posted by: Darth Editous


As MF said, I've got one last tricky edit to do. There's only about a second left to edit but it's tediously slow going


I'm anxiously awaiting what this is. I even have a hunch, but it's nothing more.
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You probably know what it is ADM, if you've taken a look at those two AVIs I uploaded to you.

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Would it be possible for someone like me to edit the Star Wars DVDs with Womble editor?

I'm not talking anything complex, simply cutting out the parts I don't like and putting in either video from the SE or OT Laserdisc transfers.

Example: Cut out the Jabba dance number starting with the shot before with the droid being welted on it's feet and ending with the shot of threepio showing disgust before Jabba eats a frog. Then replace the scene with LD footage, frame accurate. Soundtrack included.

Would I have to simplify the original soundtrack to stereo to make it compatible with the LD? And will I need to either de-anamorphic the original DVD, or make the LD transfer anamorphic? Thanks for all your help, and if I succeed, the forums might have a decent De-SE set on their hands.

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IIRC, that is what ADigitalMan is doing, for the most part. (I keep getting his and tellan's projects confused.)

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hal, if I can do it, you can do it. I knew squat about squat when I showed up here in September.

You need Womble and DVD-Lab Pro at a minimum. Make www.videohelp.com your other favorite site (I've been there for years but never got serious about editing before the SW DVDs came out and disappointed me). The soundtrack will stay in 5.1 on the condition that all sources are in 5.1 and that you don't manipulate it beyond straight cuts. I've found that you can cut the audio in a different place from the video and often "hide" your cuts that way. Great for those moments where you lose a soft wipe. Cue the transition music a bit before the video cut and you've actually got a pretty nice transition.

DE, I guess I do know what your forthcoming change is. Not what I was thinking though. I imagined a real and total heresy like creating a visual of Obi-Wan's spirit leaving his body as he was cut down. Which, heretical though it might be, would be a darn fun project for somebody (not me) to take on.

I look forward to this whole thing when you're done with it.
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Does anyone know where I can download a high-quality '97 Special Edition?

I suppose I could on limewire, but it's only 700MB and is in AVI. Is the quality the same as if I ripped a DVD download anyway?
Thanks!

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I'm guessing that that file is and XVID/MPEG4 file, due to its size, which means it is highly compressed. A real AVI capture would run you 30+ Gbs.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hal, check PM.
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I got a good mpeg editor, but does anyone know a good program to transer a DVD folder file to uncompressed mpeg? The one I got only transferred the whole DVD to 700 MB.
Thanks!

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So basically you want to demux the vob so you the have elemental streams m2v, ac3 etc ?

On a Mac I use MPEG Streamclip, but for windows, I googled this page VOB Editors, it may be of some help but im sure the guys here have a better solution.
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"does anyone know a good program to transer a DVD folder file to uncompressed mpeg?"

I'm hoping you don't mean trying to return it to the form of its uncompressed master. MPEG is lossy, so you'll never get back what was lost in the compression process. You could put it into VirtualDubMod, and save it as an AVI.

If you are referring to splitting it up into elemental streams, I like to use Vobrator, but there is a bit of a learning curve. If you had DVDLab, you could just drop it into the Assets box, and it'll automatically split up the whole VOB (which could be problematic if you just wanted one small section. You could crop the section in DVDShrink first.)

There are many different ways, but these are the tricks I use.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Womble also has a demux utility built into the tools section. I personally use the DVD-Lab Pro tool as it's much easier to drag the first VOB in the sequence and have everything split into its respective streams. Though I would recommend stripping the decoded disc to a movie only file first using something like DVD-Fab. It's an extra step, but I think it gets all of the menus, extra language tracks (if you don't plan to use them for anything) and junk out of your way.
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I think I've done it before using DVD Decrypter in file mode.

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At any rate, here's what I hope my "Epsidode IV" edit will look like. I'm trying to learn how to use Womble, but not having much luck at all.

I'd use the '04 DVD with '97 SE audio as the base. This way, all the bad audio is already taken care of.
I'd start by plugging in the original logos from the laserdisc.
And if at all possible, I'd also try to use the "Editdroid" opening crawl, because I like the lack of "A new Hope".

Then I'd see what I could do with the "Look sir, droids!" scene. Ideally, I'd like to have the SE footage, minus entirely new shots. If not, I can plug OT footage in.

I would leave Mos Eisley entrace the same, except cutting the shot of the Ronto freaking out. Starting where that shot would be, I'll plug in OT laserdisc footage until Luke pulls off after the troopers tells them to move along. Then it'd cut back to DVD footage. (yes, i know there'll be a Ronto in the next few shots, but it's allright with me.)

I'd plug wolfman back into the cantina.

As far as making Greedo shoot first, I'd have DVD footage up until Han says "Yes, I'll be you have". Then I'll cut to laserdisc footage for a few frames of Greedy "exploding" and cut back to DVD footage to see him slump on the table. (If that'll work, I don't know)

Cut Jabba. By either plugging in OT for the shot before and after, or doing a new "fade" myself.

And I'll do SOMETHING about Luke's horrible green saber, even if it means plugging in '97 SE footage.

I'd want to plug the original trash monster back in for the few seconds you see it (with '97 SE footage), but no big deal if I can't.

And I'd put the original English "Power - Tractor Beam" back in, but once again no big deal if I can't.

Cut Biggs.

When the X-wings take off, I want to plug OT laserdisc footage in so they appear as white dots. Also, I'll have the initial "onto the Death Star" shot of the X-wings be from the OT. But after everyone "stands by", the rest of the battle will be DVD footage.

That's what I *hope* to do, anyway. It's not looking good so far...


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