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Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 69

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Ryan-SWI said:

Say what you will about any other film from I - VI, but each film added something significantly new in one way or another, and all of them stood on their own narratively without having to wait for the next movie in the series to explain all the nonsense it created.

But again, that was a personal preference list.
If we’re talking objective filmmaking the list would probably (for the most part) look like a lot of the other lists on here, but what’s the point of posting the same list over and over again.

I’ll bite.
ANH brought the most new things to the table in terms of ideas since it was the first, obviously. The Force, the Jedi, Empires and Rebellions, etc.

ESB essentially brought the Dark Side to the table, although it had a passing reference in the first one. The idea of Jedi Masters was also stated outright, and massively expanded the mythos of the Force via Yoda with visions of the future, nightmare encounters, and Force-sensitive trees.

ROTJ didn’t introduce many new ideas, and if one were to look at it in a forgiving light, one could make the argument that it merely had to reconcile the disparate ideas of the first two films in the mind of our protagonist. He understands the need for emotion in his life, but also recognizes that taken too far, it could consume him. He becomes more than a Sith or a Jedi, and finds a different path, one that ultimately leads to his father’s redemption.

TPM introduced the idea of a scientific basis of the Force in Midichlorians, as well as the idea that the Force itself can conceive of life forms. Taken together, this implies the mythical ‘Chosen One’. Also introduced, though already existing with out name in the originals, was the idea of the Sith as philosophically opposed to the Jedi. This one was definitely idea heavy, though most would agree that the ideas were bad.

AOTC introduced the idea that Jedi cannot form attachments, and this became the overriding theme of the film. This was definitely a risky move, since it flew in the face of much of the EU at the time.

ROTS suffers from the same problem as ROTJ in that it brings little new to the table, but again an accommodating interpretation is that ROTS must merely allow the conflicting ideas in the previous films to be juxtaposed in the protagonist’s mind. In this case Anakin had to reconcile the attachment that forms the meaning for his life with the admonition against attachment of the Jedi Order. Also implied in the immaculate conception by the Force is the idea that his life is solely the result of the Force, and by extension he can do nothing to change his Chosen One destiny. This is in conflict with the understanding that the Force obeys your commands. It is free will versus determinism on a galactic scale, so on this level at least the film gets a pass.

TFA on this scale may be the weakest of the bunch, since it is the job of the first film in the trilogy to introduce the big ideas. ANH and TPM were both very strong thesis statements followed up by equally challenging ideological rebuttals, but what is the thesis of TFA? I honestly don’t know.

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The Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
The Clone Wars
The Holiday Special

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Alderaan said:

There’s a moment in the battle at Maz’s Castle where an X-wing swoops in and fires at some bad guys on the ground to save Finn or someone at the last second, and the camera cuts to the pilot smiling like it’s another day at the Disney office.

You mean like this?

Also:

Empire
Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi

The prequels I only ever watch to laugh at their terribleness when inebriated, hence the following ranking:

Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace
Revenge of the Sith

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Han saved the day at the very end of the last battle. It’s supposed to be like that.

It’s totally different than some random grunt in the middle of battle yippee-kay’ing through the skies while all of the main characters are dying.

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Alderaan said:

It’s totally different than some random grunt in the middle of battle yippee-kay’ing through the skies

Poe?

while all of the main characters are dying.

Han, Finn, and Chewie?

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I just continue to wonder if some of these people have actually seen the movie or they just heard they shouldn’t like it.

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My rankings are as follows:

  1. Return of the Jedi
  2. Empire Strikes Back
  3. A New Hope
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Rogue One
  6. Revenge of the Sith
  7. Attack of the Clones
  8. The Phantom Menace

Sometimes I switch between Return and Empire but I think overall I find Jedi to be more fun and I loved the ending the most of of all of them.

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ktkore said:

My rankings are as follows:

  1. Return of the Jedi
  2. Empire Strikes Back
  3. A New Hope
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Rogue One
  6. Revenge of the Sith
  7. Attack of the Clones
  8. The Phantom Menace

Sometimes I switch between Return and Empire but I think overall I find Jedi to be more fun and I loved the ending the most of of all of them.

It’s always fun to see Return of the Jedi ranked high. Although I don’t rank it as high as you, I agree wholeheartedly about the ending. Really well done and emotional.

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ktkore said:

My rankings are as follows:

  1. Return of the Jedi
  2. Empire Strikes Back
  3. A New Hope
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Rogue One
  6. Revenge of the Sith
  7. Attack of the Clones
  8. The Phantom Menace

Sometimes I switch between Return and Empire but I think overall I find Jedi to be more fun and I loved the ending the most of of all of them.

Hey! I also put Jedi at #1! Great to see another. That movie is absurd and fun which is why I love it.

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thelionslicer said:

ktkore said:

My rankings are as follows:

  1. Return of the Jedi
  2. Empire Strikes Back
  3. A New Hope
  4. The Force Awakens
  5. Rogue One
  6. Revenge of the Sith
  7. Attack of the Clones
  8. The Phantom Menace

Sometimes I switch between Return and Empire but I think overall I find Jedi to be more fun and I loved the ending the most of of all of them.

Hey! I also put Jedi at #1! Great to see another.

http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/ROTJ-is-the-best-Star-Wars-film-discuss/id/15430

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I don’t post here often/ever, but I love this topic and seeing everyone’s lists. I’ve seen Rogue One twice now and revisited the OT and TFA over and over again this past winter break with the kiddos.

  1. Star Wars/Empire - I’ve tried, but I just can’t pick one. I love them both for different reasons.

  2. TFA - GREAT characters, great acting, and just an all around fun movie. I was super worried going in, but it exceeded my expectations and then some. I get the rehash comments and I’m not crazy about the Rathtars, but everything else just works.

  3. Rogue One - This jumped Jedi after my second viewing. The lack of character development didn’t bother me as much on my second viewing and I’ve grown to like Giacchino’s score. I LOVE how it leads into IV and I felt real emotion for Jyn and her squad the second time.

  4. ROTJ - I love the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes. McDiarmid is awesome and menacing. The space battle is fantastic as well. I do enjoy Jabba and most of the stuff that happens at the palace, but it takes almost half the movie to get out of there (at least it feels that way). Endor just doesn’t engage me like the rest of the trilogy. I do love the Biker Scout designs though.

  5. TPM - I re-watched the PT last year and this one is still the most palatable for me. Maybe it’s the Maul fight or Neeson/McGregor’s acting, but I can actually watch this movie without cringing too much.

  6. ROTS - I REALLY dislike Anakin’s turn and the goofiness that happens inside the temple. Unnecessary and ruins the end of Jedi when Luke “was right…” about him. You killed kids buddy…you’re an a-hole.

  7. AOTC - This thing is a mess. Period.

One of the worst parts of the PT for me is that the Jedi seem like a bunch of morons most of the time. We were led to believe that this was an elite group of people, but they bumble around left and right throughout the entire PT.

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nmr1723 said:

I don’t post here often/ever, but I love this topic and seeing everyone’s lists. I’ve seen Rogue One twice now and revisited the OT and TFA over and over again this past winter break with the kiddos.

  1. Star Wars/Empire - I’ve tried, but I just can’t pick one. I love them both for different reasons.

  2. TFA - GREAT characters, great acting, and just an all around fun movie. I was super worried going in, but it exceeded my expectations and then some. I get the rehash comments and I’m not crazy about the Rathtars, but everything else just works.

  3. Rogue One - This jumped Jedi after my second viewing. The lack of character development didn’t bother me as much on my second viewing and I’ve grown to like Giacchino’s score. I LOVE how it leads into IV and I felt real emotion for Jyn and her squad the second time.

  4. ROTJ - I love the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes. McDiarmid is awesome and menacing. The space battle is fantastic as well. I do enjoy Jabba and most of the stuff that happens at the palace, but it takes almost half the movie to get out of there (at least it feels that way). Endor just doesn’t engage me like the rest of the trilogy. I do love the Biker Scout designs though.

  5. TPM - I re-watched the PT last year and this one is still the most palatable for me. Maybe it’s the Maul fight or Neeson/McGregor’s acting, but I can actually watch this movie without cringing too much.

  6. ROTS - I REALLY dislike Anakin’s turn and the goofiness that happens inside the temple. Unnecessary and ruins the end of Jedi when Luke “was right…” about him. You killed kids buddy…you’re an a-hole.

  7. AOTC - This thing is a mess. Period.

One of the worst parts of the PT for me is that the Jedi seem like a bunch of morons most of the time. We were led to believe that this was an elite group of people, but they bumble around left and right throughout the entire PT.

Agree with pretty much everything in this post, including the rankings. I’m not sure if RO will end up above ROTJ in my final rankings as I’ve only seen RO once, but it’s certainly possible.

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TV’s Frink said:
I’m not sure if RO will end up above ROTJ

People who rank TFA and/or R1 higher than any entry of the OT must be joking. At least I hope they do…

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Some people really hate Jedi though.

Go over to TFN and you’ll find “those kind of people” who think R1 is better than Star Wars or Empire.

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MalàStrana said:

TV’s Frink said:
I’m not sure if RO will end up above ROTJ

People who rank TFA and/or R1 higher than any entry of the OT must be joking. At least I hope they do…

It’s a personal opinion on movies that are all VERY personal to us as fans. I happen to enjoy most of TFA and RO more than I enjoy Jedi. Jedi was my favorite as a kid, but it just doesn’t hold up as well for me these days (this is the case with MANY movies from my childhood). I still absolutely love Jedi and will watch it any time my kids ask, but I don’t actively sit down and watch it on my own like I do Star Wars or Empire.

To you the new movies are garbage, and that’s fine with me. I’m not here to argue that your opinion is wrong or mine is right. I’m certainly not joking though 😃

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Alderaan said:

Some people really hate Jedi though.

Go over to TFN and you’ll find “those kind of people” who think R1 is better than Star Wars or Empire.

I might be talking out of my rear here, but I think “those kind of people” may go back and watch a movie they held on a pedestal as a kid and realize it just isn’t as great as they remembered. Jedi is a decent movie and it’s a good Star Wars movie, but it doesn’t come close to SW/Empire in my opinion. Looking at Star Wars as a whole, you really only have 2 REALLY great films (SW/Empire).

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I just watched Jedi for the first time in more than 10 years, and surprisingly I liked most of the Endor scenes, which I used to find pretty boring. I like the Ewoks although I do hate most of the nonsense that goes on with them in battle, plus that ridiculous scene where one of them steals the speeder bike.

On the other hand, this was the first time I really felt like I disliked most of the scenes on Tatooine. The production value was just so bad and you can really see where the film was missing Gary Kurtz’s refinement. The barge fight is fun and Jabba is Jabba, but otherwise there’s nothing to like in this movie for 40 minutes or whatever.

I would still rank the films like this however:

  1. Empire Strikes Back
  2. Star Wars
  1. Return of the Jedi
  1. Rogue One
  2. The Force Awakens
  1. The Phantom Menace
  1. Revenge of the Sith
  2. Attack of the Clones

Spaces indicate a pretty big gap to the next group.

I hate the first scene in The Force Awakens, but I really liked the rest of the first act and it’s much better than anything in Rogue One. However, once they got off Jakku I hated the rest of it much more than I hated anything in Rogue One, so that’s why I have them in that order.

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TV’s Frink said:
Agree with pretty much everything in this post, including the rankings. I’m not sure if RO will end up above ROTJ in my final rankings as I’ve only seen RO once, but it’s certainly possible.

I’m interested to hear what you think after viewing RO a second time. For me, the characters and their mission had a much greater impact the second time around. That last scene with Jyn/Cassian and the score really hit me. The nice thing about the last two films is that they both made me feel something again. Star Wars had not made me feel that way in a long time…a long time.

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TOP LEVEL - Nearly, if not totally perfect.

Star Wars
The Empire Strikes Back

HIGH LEVEL - Very good.

Return of the Jedi
The Force Awakens
Rogue One

MID LEVEL - meh.

Empty, for now (I bet the Solo movie will be the first one here, but I could be wrong, we’ll see in a couple years)

LOW LEVEL - bad

The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
Revenge of the Sith

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Prequels are ranked too high there imo.

If that pyramid has a sewage system or septic tank, you might want to put them there.

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TV’s Frink said:

Alderaan said:

Some people really hate Jedi though.

I think Jedi is…okay.

I think we have different definitions of “okay” because I find ROTS to be okay whereas I find ROTJ to still be quite good despite the myriad of issues I have with it. I just have too much fun with the film to rate it anything lower than a 7.