Ranking the Star Wars films — Page 67

Alderaan said:

No, you don’t understand. Frink and I don’t get along. You’ve brought us closer together.

Lol, true. Thanks Ryan!

Look, this is why I usually don’t venture outside a few areas of this site. It’s not worth it because any discussion is derailed immediately by either a mob mentality or mocking and making fun of someone just for having a different opinion.
For all the jokes the users here make about some other Star Wars forums on the net this place really isn’t much better in some areas, it’s just the other extreme of the problem.
I’m done posting in this thread as (surprise surprise) obviously nobody can deviate from the hive-mind because god forbid anyone think differently.

FWIW I didn’t say anything about your explanation of 4-8 after you gave it. I asked because I was genuinely curious, not because I just wanted to mock you further.

I wasn’t responding to you, Frink, no ill-will intended.

FWIW, I wasn’t mocking you either. I was pointing out that your explanations were random, just like your order. You didn’t express any consistent reasoning as to why you liked films progressively better or worse in some particular order. It was more like:

“I like this film for this reason”
"I don’t like this film as much for this totally unrelated reason"
and so on

There is one obvious answer to why you ranked 4-8 the way you did, but you didn’t give that. It would be originality, or at least one person’s view of it. Star Wars has the most original characters as they were never in any other movie before, so it goes to the top. Rogue One has a few unoriginal characters, but not as many as the other sequels, really mostly new people, so therefore it’s #2. Empire Strikes Back has returning cast and whatnot, but it’s more original than the other sequels, and then they get progressively more derivative after that.

Obviously you just prequel fanboy’d those into 1-3, but at least this seems to explain your 4-8 reasoning.

Sort of.
I gave a rushed convoluted description because it’s not worth typing out an essay to get a two word response from Frink or yourself. But in a sense you’re right, originality, but it’s not just about the characters, and I don’t just look at a Star Wars film and decide if I like it or not based on one nugget of originality.
And I didn’t “prequel fanboy” the first three in.
I genuinely like the story arc of I - III and find it much more interesting than the OT, specifically Palpatine’s rise and gradual manipulation of Anakin and the Senate.
I could make just as silly a remark and say most people here “OT fanboy” 4-7 in, but I didn’t because I’m not dismissive for no other reason than to be petty.

Different people take and value different things from movies, I don’t sit here and shit on everyone who likes ROTJ and TFA because they’re just being “fanboys”, I may disagree with them but I don’t try and make them feel like a moron because of it. If that’s your idea of a discussion then fine, like I said I’m not going to continue this nonsense further, I’m tired of constantly being berated for thinking differently so I just won’t bother anymore.

Well, if someone is a wannabe galactic Emperor, or severely overprotective parent whose kids could never do any wrong, yeah I guess I could see how they might prefer the prequels, regardless of how poorly and undramatic they were made.

For other people? Nah I just can’t see it.

And you’ve proven my point, bye.

Arguments about a “hive mind” is pretty silly. Look at these lists, most of them are pretty different. Is it a mob mentality that we all watched the prequels and came to the same conclusion that they’re garbage? I don’t think so.

Ryan-SWI said:

I genuinely like the story arc of I - III, specifically Palpatine’s rise and gradual manipulation of Anakin and the Senate.

Alright, I’m with you.

and find it much more interesting than the OT

You lost me.

I totally understand how someone can have the opinion that in theory; the prequels had a more interesting story than the OT, and on some level I might even agree. However, the portrayal of that story was horrible, for a myriad of reasons.

The thing is - putting aside the fact that the large majority of people (in general, not just this site) say the prequels aren’t great, which isn’t evidence but is as good an objective indicator as you can get - the simple fact of this site is that it’s for fans of the original trilogy. If you’re here, you must love all or some part of the OT. With that being the the case, and with the PT being so vastly different, quality aside, most people here will simply always prefer the OT. So it’s not so much a hive mind/bandwagon as it is this site is bringing together like minded people.

I’m as old-school Star Wars fan as they come - saw them in the theater originally, had all the toys and collect vintage Kenner Star Wars toys as a serious hobby, love only watching the original theatrical releases. But when I’m on another Star Wars forum (reddit.com/r/starwars) I feel genuinely ostracized for daring to state my opinion that the prequels jus plain suck. In fact, there I’m told I’m “not a real fan”, whatever the heck that means.

At least here I tend to find I’m around like-minded folk. There is an appreciate here for the OT, and sometimes that means it’s at odds with the PT. And I’m OK with that.

Ryan-SWI said:

So nice to see the elitism cireclejerk shutting out any discussion as usual.

The problem with the PT is that it has a hate following. Now if it is any help to you other series have it as well those being Micheal Bays Transformers and the Twilight films in fact I think Micheal Bays Transformers(or Bayformers as the G1 fanboys like to call them) have an even worse hate following.

I honestly don’t think that it has anything to with their immense lack of quality. Sure twilight is nothing but emotional and literal porn for women but the truth is that their are thousands of romance novels like that and it just so happens that Twilight has enough fans behind it that it got made into a film series. Add to the fact that it takes a really crazy spin on the beloved vampire mythology and the hatred is easily explained. Like wise the live action Transformers films are just like any other of Micheal Bays movie but it has the label Transformers on it so all the 80’s manchildren go crazy when they are released and to be honest I think something similar happened to the SW prequels(not counting rouge one).

Their are allot of bad movies such as food fight and Garbage pail kids but they don’t have a hate following so expressing your appreciation for them would probably be more exaptable especially within these circles.

This might change over time tho. I mean ones upon a time Schumachers Batman film had a massive hate following but now a days people seem to look back on them with quite the fondness or at least more acceptence then before, although in fairness it might have something to do with how extremely far Warner Brothers went in the other direction with it’s DC movies and honestly only time will tell if peoples general perception of the PT will ever change.

It won’t. The (generally perceived) quality of the new movies has only made the PT look worse by comparison, and that bell can’t be unrung.

I don’t know where you all live, but in my country, it has become a trend to say that the prequels weren’t so bad after all, especially since The Force Awakens was released and was not really well received, at least among my age group.

Updated list:

1. The Empire Strikes Back
2. STAR WARS
3. The Force Awakens
4. Return of The Jedi
5. Rogue One
6. Revenge of The Sith
7. The Phantom Menace
8. Attack of The Clones

suspiciouscoffee said:

Wait… did you… not hate Rogue One??

Of course not - he doesn’t think it’s a crap.

Swazzy said:

New people are overrated.

That’s what the Ptolemaic dynasty said.