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Just got back from my second watch. Even better than the first. To me, it’s really a much deeper and serious film than any of the others. Felicity is fantastic, as is her character.

The scene once they’re back inside the ship after the failed rescue on Eadu is maybe her best moment. The tension in the ship when she confronts Andor is palpable. Her wavering between anger and emotional distress is perfect. She is clearly unmoored emotionally and choking back a breakdown.

The score was much more engaging than I’d remembered. Buying it in 3…2…

I can’t imagine I’ll ever prefer any other Star Wars entity over this one. I’m a very happy fan.

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DominicCobb said:

Tyrphanax said:

The Ultimate Edition of the score from The Phantom Menace is incredible and has a ton of fantastic unused music. I wish all the movies had gotten a soundtrack release like that.

I’d say I wish all the movies got a release like the OT special edition soundtracks. Those contain all the cues, unedited. The TPM Ultimate Edition has a lot of great stuff that wasn’t included on the OST, but it has all the music edits from the film which means, particularly in the climax, things tend to become a bit of a mess.

You make a very fine point and I agree.

Anchorhead said:

Just got back from my second watch. Even better than the first. To me, it’s really a much deeper and serious film than any of the others. Felicity is fantastic, as is her character.

The scene once they’re back inside the ship after the failed rescue on Eadu is maybe her best moment. The tension in the ship when she confronts Andor is palpable. Her wavering between anger and emotional distress is perfect. She is clearly unmoored emotionally and choking back a breakdown.

The score was much more engaging than I’d remembered. Buying it in 3…2…

I can’t imagine I’ll ever prefer any other Star Wars entity over this one. I’m a very happy fan.

Had that same feeling myself on the second go-round.

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Haha, Krennic socks!

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So, I finally saw the darn thing last night, although conditions were not ideal. Still kind of digesting the whole thing, so random thoughts as they occur.

Tarkin is a real bastard in this, whether you accept the CGI or not. (It worked about half the time for me, as knowing it’s not really Peter Cushing makes you over scrutinize a tad.) He grabs the DS right out of Krennic’s hands the minute it’s proven to work. And blasting the data facility with who knows how many Imperial officers down there is pretty damn ruthless as well. Troopers probably being considered expendable anyway.

For all the fuss over the new TIE designs, they didn’t appear too much. I presume the death troopers were like Krennic’s personal guard, and were not very numerous. I think the speakers in their helmets were set to Darph Nader though. 😉

Several locations in the movie were giving me Dark Forces and Jedi Outcast flashbacks. Paging Kyle Katarn!

Dr. Evazan and Walrusman cameo was kind of gratuitous. And the not so good Doctor didn’t really look like himself. If this had been a prequel cameo, it might have worked, but this is like five minutes before the orignal film. I appreciated the less obvious cameos much more.

I think I’ve now seen the greatest space battle scene in a Star Wars film ever. Pushing the crippled Star Destroyer into the gate thingy was just inspired. How Episode 8 is going to top this, I can’t imagine. The bar has been raised really high.

Not enough Moroff. Nowhere near enough Moroff. I need more Moroff! I hope he got out before everything went boom, but I fear the worst.

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I agree, the space battle was top notch, and has set the bar very high for the rest of the movies, which can only be a good thing.

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And after TFA’s lack of a proper space battle Episode VIII outta have one just as good if not better.

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I do think the space battle in R1 was much better than TFA, although not on par with the OT. TFA space battle was particularly disappointing because I remember the shot they included in the trailer looked so damn good.

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Alderaan said:
I can’t think of any bad films with good original scores.

A simple Google search reveals several webgages devoted to this issue. One lists 25 “bad” films with great scores. And that’s not counting TPM which I think is a terrible film with a fantastic score. And it took me all of 20 seconds to come up with three more off the top of my head, not on any of the lists: Godzilla 1985 (incredible exit theme), The Black Hole, and It’s Alive (score by Bernard Hermann, no less!).

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TPM doesn’t have a good score, it has Duel of the Fates which is just OK and then a bunch of background music.

I mean, who can forget timeless classical pieces like “Anakin defeats Sebulba” and “Watto’s Deal and Kids at Play”.

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I’m starting to think you don’t like anything.

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TV’s Frink said:

I’m starting to think you don’t like anything.

I liked the first act stuff with Rey in TFA. I liked the flashback sequence in that film. I liked the last Vader scene in R1. I like how it ties into the beginning of ANH. Just some examples.

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Just finished listening to this INCREDIBLE podcast episode about the score of Rogue one, done by Michael Giacchino. It REALLY delves into DEEP ANALYSIS of the different tracks and their meanings and connections to the rest of the saga.

Here’s a link to it. Any film soundtrack/score junkies will EAT THIS UP! 😉

Web Link- http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2016/12/21/star-wars-oxygen-vol-38-rogue-one-part-1

Iphone Link- https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rebel-force-radio-star-wars/id593355728?mt=2

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darthrush said:

Just finished listening to this INCREDIBLE podcast episode about the score of Rogue one, done by Michael Giacchino. It REALLY delves into DEEP ANALYSIS of the different tracks and their meanings and connections to the rest of the saga.

Nice OCCASIONAL capitalization you’ve got RIGHT THERE.

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This may come off as rather provocative, but Return of the Jedi is a very mediocre film with a fantastic soundtrack that never really gets its chance to shine.

Luke and Leia’s theme is such a wonderfully emotional piece of music and it’s not even featured in the film. Instead we get to hear it play over the ending titles. I’ve always lamented that.

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We might hear it again in Episode 8 if we’re lucky.

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I’ve only seen RO once, but from what I recall the music in it was a bit distracting. It even felt a bit desperate at times, such as when our heroes escape the rain planet. It just builds and builds and builds and the composer is clearly wishing the scene would end so he can stop writing triumphant Star Wars music. Other moments were quite nice though, and I may develop an appreciation for it later, but perhaps 3 weeks isn’t enough time for more than a musical rough draft.

The music for TFA, on the other hand, feels very sure of itself. It doesn’t intrude on the experience or draw attention to itself for much of the film like RO does, and has a sophistication that I’ve grown to like, despite not being impressed on the first viewing. One part in particular, the destruction of Starkiller Base, struck me as especially impressive. I tried to replicate the theme by ear on the piano, and found that it took more hands than the typical 2 to complete merely the melody. The fact that Williams was able to divide the simple Force melody in three blew my mind. Williams is just showing off with these new movies, and being very subtle about it.

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darthrush said:

Just finished listening to this INCREDIBLE podcast episode about the score of Rogue one, done by Michael Giacchino. It REALLY delves into DEEP ANALYSIS of the different tracks and their meanings and connections to the rest of the saga.

Here’s a link to it. Any film soundtrack/score junkies will EAT THIS UP! 😉

Web Link- http://www.rebelforceradio.com/shows/2016/12/21/star-wars-oxygen-vol-38-rogue-one-part-1

Iphone Link- https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/rebel-force-radio-star-wars/id593355728?mt=2

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I remember Rey’s Theme from TFA and that’s literally it. And I saw it maybe five times in theaters and listened through the soundtrack a few times. To be honest, I left the theater wondering if it had even been scored in the same way as the OT. Music felt much less like a part of the film for TFA (whereas it’s an essential part of the OT).

I remember a lot more of the music from Rogue One. I also listened to this podcast at the behest of Tobar and gained an even larger appreciation for it.

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But yeah, it’s definitely worth posting again because it really sheds a whole new light on the score and the throughlines into Star Wars.

Keep Circulating the Tapes.

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TV’s Frink said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

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Mavimao said:

The prequels for one. Great soundtracks. But mediocre films.

Tron Legacy…

Tron Legacy is also a great soundtrack, but I happen to think it’s a very good film as well.

Yeah!

Superior to the original in many ways, actually.

NOT YEAH!

Don’t get me wrong, I think Tron is good…but it also hasn’t aged very well.

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Tron Legacy is aging faster than light speed.

Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
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suspiciouscoffee said:

darthrush said:

Just finished listening to this INCREDIBLE podcast episode about the score of Rogue one, done by Michael Giacchino. It REALLY delves into DEEP ANALYSIS of the different tracks and their meanings and connections to the rest of the saga.

Nice OCCASIONAL capitalization you’ve got RIGHT THERE.

I should definitely reign myself in a bit more with my capitalizations when I’m excited LOL 😉

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Haarspalter said:

TV’s Frink said:

suspiciouscoffee said:

TV’s Frink said:

Mavimao said:

The prequels for one. Great soundtracks. But mediocre films.

Tron Legacy…

Tron Legacy is also a great soundtrack, but I happen to think it’s a very good film as well.

Yeah!

Superior to the original in many ways, actually.

NOT YEAH!

Don’t get me wrong, I think Tron is good…but it also hasn’t aged very well.

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Tron Legacy is aging faster than light speed.

Oh gosh, that’s what Tarkin will look like in 6 years. I’m not ready.

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For all the fuss over the new TIE designs, they didn’t appear too much. I presume the death troopers were like Krennic’s personal guard, and were not very numerous. I think the speakers in their helmets were set to Darph Nader though. 😉

Several locations in the movie were giving me Dark Forces and Jedi Outcast flashbacks. Paging Kyle Katarn!

Dr. Evazan and Walrusman cameo was kind of gratuitous. And the not so good Doctor didn’t really look like himself. If this had been a prequel cameo, it might have worked, but this is like five minutes before the orignal film. I appreciated the less obvious cameos much more.

The Death troopers are Cyborgs so they are literally dead troops with computers in their brains! I think it’s quite funny when you find out these little tidbits.

Yeah the Dr Evanzan and Walrusman Cameo felt really forced in there… But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman. All in all the sequence is cut down by about 3 - 5 minutes probably.

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But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman. All in all the sequence is cut down by about 3 - 5 minutes probably.

For me, what I keep coming back to is whether or not any of this fits into a narrative or could even be part of a film. If you have a story where Jyn is the main character, then why would it ever be necessary to spend 5 minutes following around some random weirdos on a tangent that is irrelevant to the main story?

That’s probably why it got cut and none of these gratuitous cameos should have even been in the film in the first place. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa? Absolutely. Tarkin and Vader? Possibly. But Dr. Evanzan and Walrusman? And R2D2 and C3PO? And another droid babbling about the odds of…something…why are these things in the movie? What possible creative vision could ever find room for nonsense like this in a well-told original narrative?

And the answer I keep getting stuck on is that it’s still about Lucasfilm and now Disney selling toys.

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Alderaan said:

Ronster said:
But it was a heavily cut down sequence. There were meant to be a lot more shot’s showcasing the weirdo’s in Jedha city. So many creature effects and animatronics were totally cut from this part it’s sad. we were meant to not only see the Local’s and the Kyber Miners but some of the abominations created by Dr. Evanzan called the Decraniated (Cyborg Slaves). We also miss a small part where a Bounty Hunter was tracking Dr Evanzan and Walrusman. All in all the sequence is cut down by about 3 - 5 minutes probably.

For me, what I keep coming back to is whether or not any of this fits into a narrative or could even be part of a film. If you have a story where Jyn is the main character, then why would it ever be necessary to spend 5 minutes following around some random weirdos on a tangent that is irrelevant to the main story?

That’s probably why it got cut and none of these gratuitous cameos should have even been in the film in the first place. Mon Mothma and Bail Organa? Absolutely. Tarkin and Vader? Possibly. But Dr. Evanzan and Walrusman? And R2D2 and C3PO? And another droid babbling about the odds of…something…why are these things in the movie? What possible creative vision could ever find room for nonsense like this in a well-told original narrative?

And the answer I keep getting stuck on is that it’s still about Lucasfilm and now Disney selling toys.

It’s tricky because it fit’s in a narrative where Jyn Cassian and K2-SO did not leave for Jedha alone. Or if they left alone there was also a squad of x-wings that set off for Jedha also. This sequence very much plays out with the x-wing pilots being marched through the streets also that we saw running out of Yavin Base. They are some of the same pilots. Gary Whitta is also one of those pilots.

The point is considering that the whole brief plot point got cut Dr.Evanzan and Walrus man feel completely forced in the film. When in a previous version there inclusion was probably more natural. The same probably goes for C3-P0 and R2-D2 having their time cut short. Vader meeting Krennic at the start of the film. you can go on and on about what should have been kept and what should have stayed but the main point is. A lot of those moments probably feel the way they do because they were not given enough time for them to feel more natural rather than now they feel shoved in as fan service.

The moment Jyn bumps in to Dr Evanzan is the start of the Tank Battle sequence. It was probably easier to keep it than get rid of all of it. But the Decraniated might have looked a bit too disturbing also. There is one guy without a head and you can see all his intestines also. So there is also other factors to consider not to mention the woman missing the top half of her head with a hard drive stuck in her face.

Dr Evanzan’s technology / surgery probably has some connection to the Death Troopers. Although the Death Troopers were way ahead of the decraniated slave bot’s