Rogue One * Spoilers * Thread — Page 69

Ronster said:

DominicCobb said:

Ronster said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Smoking Lizard said:

TV’s Frink said:

Watching TFA last year and RO this year have made the PT even more irrelevant in my mind because they’ve hammered home how poorly executed the PT is.

RO also renders TFA irrelevant. The reality for the fan base hasn’t fully burned in yet, but RO has grabbed the reins of the SW franchise and jammed it back on track. It’s a coup. In the end, Disney is going to have to rethink the direction of episodes 8 and 9 based on the sensational execution of RO.

Yeah ok. Good luck with that. RO will make a percentage of what TFA did, which was all because of repeat business and the OT actors. If the movie sucked people wouldn’t have come back to it. And, btw, reviews for TFA are better than RO. There’s MUCH more “heart” in TFA than there is in RO and you care a helluva lot more about the characters.
That’s not a slam against RO, which I loved, but my excitement about it has been tempered by subsequent viewings.

Personally what I take away from it is that Episode eight will be aimed at 5 - 10 year olds and the Anthologies hopefully will be aiming at higher age ranges teens to adults.

I don’t feel the sequel trilogy is really aimed at adults or at least that is my current perception unless they make the sequel trilogy more mature.

Give a fucking break. Star Wars films have always been for EVERYONE and have always had the power to make adults feel like a kid again. Just because Rogue One killed everyone doesn’t mean it’s aimed for adults and TFA isn’t. TFA is tonally on par with the OT and RO is a bit different by design. If you can’t handle stories that aren’t what you consider “more mature” that’s too bad for you. But saying Ep8 will be aimed toward 5-10 year olds is just ridiculous.

I really liked Looper by Rian Johnson… Are you Happy now?

Well are you? Do you really think Johnson is going to direct his film towards 5-10 year olds?

I have no idea, it depends if it is meant for more younger viewers which I would be fine with but it might not interest me as much… I treat individual films as just that, even if they are sequels or prequels. I like films based on their own merits or if I find them attractive or something interesting, I am looking forward to plenty of other films.

It’s not the end of the world if I don’t find episode VIII interesting… I might just watch the anthology films and chose to skip the main continuation of the Saga.

I will definitely go and see

Silence
Dunkirk
Alien Covenant
Bladerunner 2
50/50 on Ghost in the shell
Dark Tower - Was Really looking forward to it but I don’t dig the whole alternate reality slant they put on it so I’ll miss that one.

Lord Haseo said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

And just like that I’m sad. Thanks for that.

TFA wasn’t perfect but neither is RO. I’d argue the problems with RO are more glaring than TFA. And some, like this, you have to think about a little more.

That type of thinking can enable me to poke a million hopes in the OT as it suffers from that type of writing too. Even if those films didn’t have shit like that in them you’re overthinking it. It’s a chaotic encounter in a narrow, dark hallway. Vader was probably fixated on blast deflection and just trying to kill everyone instead of devoting useful mental resources to think about one Rebel.

So…he was just trying to kill everyone? Not get the plans? And that’s why he stares at the Tantive IV as it takes off? Because he didn’t get to kill more people?

Riiiiiiight.

Double post. Sorry.

DominicCobb said:

Well are you? Do you really think Johnson is going to direct his film towards 5-10 year olds?

Well, in my mind, that’s what’s great about Rogue One – it’s changed the discussion. It’s changing fan expectations. All in extremely good ways.

Rogue One is a home run. It’s a spectacular film. A game changer. My only criticism is the music score. It was good but not great. Other than that, I could not have asked for a better Star Wars film. Third-best film in the franchise, easily.

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

That type of thinking can enable me to poke a million hopes in the OT as it suffers from that type of writing too. Even if those films didn’t have shit like that in them you’re overthinking it. It’s a chaotic encounter in a narrow, dark hallway. Vader was probably fixated on blast deflection and just trying to kill everyone instead of devoting useful mental resources to think about one Rebel.

So…he was just trying to kill everyone? Not get the plans? And that’s why he stares at the Tantive IV as it takes off? Because he didn’t get to kill more people?

Riiiiiiight.

Damn, dude. Please tell me you don’t really think that’s what Haseo is saying, right?

Smoking Lizard said:

Damn, dude. Please tell me you don’t really think that’s what Haseo is saying, right?

That’s exactly what he said. How should I take it any differently?

digitalfreaknyc said:

That’s exactly what he said. How should I take it any differently?

Because you’re being too literal.

Really enjoyed the movie, really fun to watch.

The one thing I didn’t like at all, are the couple inspirational monologue. They felt out of place, took me out of the movie.

Will go watch again for sure!

Tyrphanax said:

Smoking Lizard said:

DominicCobb said:

Well are you? Do you really think Johnson is going to direct his film towards 5-10 year olds?

Well, in my mind, that’s what’s great about Rogue One – it’s changed the discussion. It’s changing fan expectations. All in extremely good ways.

Rogue One is a home run. It’s a spectacular film. A game changer. My only criticism is the music score. It was good but not great. Other than that, I could not have asked for a better Star Wars film. Third-best film in the franchise, easily.

It’s interesting. I listened to the score very closely because of things I’d heard and I found it to be okay. It was very Williams-esque, with lots of nice references, but it wasn’t heavy-handed about it and still sounded original.

However, it also didn’t really have any stand-out themes apart from ones we know.

But that could tie into this being a galaxy-building story film and not a character-driven “human interest” film.

I’ve listened a bit to the soundtrack and like it. Probably doesn’t place above any of the proper Williams scores. It does sound very much the style, which is cool and expected, if a bit unfortunate. Like the film itself I wish it had done more to distance itself from the classic Star Wars tone and be more like a classic war film.

There seems to be at least four new themes: a Rogue One (“Hope”) theme, a Jyn theme, an Imperial theme, and a Baze/Chirrut theme. I quite like them all but time will tell to what extent. The Rogue One theme is sort of a fun play on the main SW theme but in certain instances feels almost knock-off-ish. Jyn’s theme is nice and feels like almost like Rey’s theme oddly but still cool on its own terms. The imperial theme is solid. Wish they used the original one from SW more, but there are a couple references (and even the Death Star motif which I missed first time around). The Guardians of the Whills theme is pretty cool and seems kind of like has roots in the Force theme which is a nice touch.

Still wish the Rebel fanfare got more play.

This isn’t exactly and in-depth summary of my thoughts, but I did like Rogue One. I had heard already that the first act was a little “slow” or disjointed, but despite that I really started to like RO following the demonstration of the Death Star on Jedha. The battle on and above Scarif in the last act has some of the most intense and energetic action that SW has had. That exceeded my expectations.

ZkinandBonez said:

Lord Haseo said:

Good:

• Top notch cinematography

• The plot and small things like the Cassian killing Galen thing

• Force abilties are only used in one scene

• Ties in perfectly with STAR WARS

• Fun and energetic (especially the 3rd act)

• Mostly amazing CGI

• Funnier than expected

• Vader was used sparringly and effectively (though this comes at a price)

• New and interesting ship and Trooper designs

• Felt like a war movie/grittier side of the Galactic Civil War

• Director Krennic was an interesting villain and got a very just death

Bad:

• 1st act was kind of disjointed

• Most of the Rogue One crew lack real depth

• CGI Leia and Tarkin

• Vader should have had Tarkin’s role

• Soundtrack is uninspired and hardly has any noteworthy moments

• The effects of the reshoots is very apparent as there are a few lines that were in the trailer but were not in the film. The most important one being Krennic calling the Death’s Star’s power immeasurable.

Well, this really is only a problem if you’re the kind of fan that follows a production from beginning to end, watching all the trailer, etc. like us. And I hardly see how this would effect the actual final film. Once RO stops being a new film, the re-shoots will only be an interesting piece of trivia.

I pretty much agree with all your other points though. I just though re-shoots was an odd thing to include on a pros and cons list.

Well it’s a pros and cons list; it’s supposed to have subjective things on it. I’m quite sure there are fans who watched the trailers and like the changes made to the film but I’m just not one of them.

digitalfreaknyc said:

And, btw, I know EVERYONE is loving the Vader scene (as did I) but I’ll be the guy to throw a huge monkey wrench in the Vader-orgy going on:
With one force pull, he grabbed 5-6 blasters. Couldn’t he have done the exact same thing with the plans that the soldier was holding? One force pull and he’s got them. Done.

Continue…

You posted this crap on the Blu-ray.com forum. You just love to stir up shit don’t ya?

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

And just like that I’m sad. Thanks for that.

TFA wasn’t perfect but neither is RO. I’d argue the problems with RO are more glaring than TFA. And some, like this, you have to think about a little more.

That type of thinking can enable me to poke a million hopes in the OT as it suffers from that type of writing too. Even if those films didn’t have shit like that in them you’re overthinking it. It’s a chaotic encounter in a narrow, dark hallway. Vader was probably fixated on blast deflection and just trying to kill everyone instead of devoting useful mental resources to think about one Rebel.

So…he was just trying to kill everyone? Not get the plans? And that’s why he stares at the Tantive IV as it takes off? Because he didn’t get to kill more people?

Riiiiiiight.

Hey digitalfreaknyc, go watch the CinemaSins episodes of the original Star Wars trilogy on YouTube.

Bobo Jameson said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

And, btw, I know EVERYONE is loving the Vader scene (as did I) but I’ll be the guy to throw a huge monkey wrench in the Vader-orgy going on:
With one force pull, he grabbed 5-6 blasters. Couldn’t he have done the exact same thing with the plans that the soldier was holding? One force pull and he’s got them. Done.

Continue…

You posted this crap on the Blu-ray.com forum. You just love to stir up shit don’t ya?

That’s all I have to say about that.

There are other things in Rogue One I would like to praise:

• I like the fact that there is text telling you what the planets are. Since this is a spin off we need stuff like this to differentiate it from the Saga films.

• They NAILED the look of this film

• I found myself kind of emotionally invested in the storyline with Jyn and her father in my second viewing. The hologram scene is amazing in my opinion.

Just to clarify, if Vader had pulled the plans out of the Rebel’s hand using the force it would have really mucked up the next movie. Just suspend belief for a moment and go see it - its really really good.

ben_danger said:

Just to clarify, if Vader had pulled the plans out of the Rebel’s hand using the force it would have really mucked up the next movie. Just suspend belief for a moment and go see it - its really really good.

Also one could ask the question why doesn’t Vader just force-choke all the Rebels in the galaxy to death at the same time, then there wouldn’t be a Rebellion, the Empire’s problems finally solved! HEHEHEHE 😄 By the way digitalfreaknyc has been suspended on the Blu-ray.com forum. 😄

SilverWook said:

Bobo Jameson said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

digitalfreaknyc said:

Lord Haseo said:

And just like that I’m sad. Thanks for that.

TFA wasn’t perfect but neither is RO. I’d argue the problems with RO are more glaring than TFA. And some, like this, you have to think about a little more.

That type of thinking can enable me to poke a million hopes in the OT as it suffers from that type of writing too. Even if those films didn’t have shit like that in them you’re overthinking it. It’s a chaotic encounter in a narrow, dark hallway. Vader was probably fixated on blast deflection and just trying to kill everyone instead of devoting useful mental resources to think about one Rebel.

So…he was just trying to kill everyone? Not get the plans? And that’s why he stares at the Tantive IV as it takes off? Because he didn’t get to kill more people?

Riiiiiiight.

Hey digitalfreaknyc, go watch the CinemaSins episodes of the original Star Wars trilogy on YouTube.

Hey Bobo, familiarize yourself with the rules around here, and stop trying to pick a fight with people who’ve been on this forum longer than you have.
http://originaltrilogy.com/announcement/Guidelines-for-Post-Content-and-General-Behavior-Or-How-Not-To-Get-Banned/id/12074

Um I think that the other guy is trying to pick a fight and stirring up crap. I’ve done nothing!