Harmy's RETURN OF THE JEDI - Grindhouse 35mm LPP (Released) — Page 9

At the size and distance Harmy and I both project, 1080p does leave something to be desired. Even more so if I interact with a proper desktop environment on that same setup. Computer work is where 4K and higher screens really become necessary, which is one of the things Harmy was championing. Working with something with fine text at a normal DPI will instantly show whether you’re at a high enough resolution for pixels to truly “blend together” at the distance you’re sitting. And even the scale of desktop objects alone (at normal DPI and settings) can be quite telling (12.5" screen of mine at 1080p is almost at the threshold of overkill, but at 140-150", you can really feel how cramped a 1080p desktop can be). For the most part, things look fine on the projector, but subtitles and other harsh contrasts can make things stand out as Harmy said, and then take into account that I’ve recently gotten a dead pixel on my projector, and once you have one of those, you can’t convince me a pixel can be invisible at any reasonable distance…

But really, the larger the screen (theaters, especially), whatever the resolution material they get, they should still go for a higher resolution projector than that, to keep from introducing unnecessary grid artifacts. One can say something shouldn’t be noticeable, but you can’t dispute the fact it still exists. You can mitigate all you want, but knowing people… once something is seen, it can’t be unseen. Good enough only stays that way for so long.

I think the resolution of the screen and the media you show on it are two separate issues. The screen should be high enough resolution so you can’t see pixels. The content doesn’t need to be as high quality if you have good upscaling build in to your system. I have a lot of old Television at 480p that I doubt will ever get converted and it looks pretty good upscaled to 1080p. Go the next step, and all the 1080p copies of Star Wars will look pretty awesome on a 4k screen. And most probably won’t notice that it isn’t 4k.

Blackout said:

I’ve managed to upload the full movie to YouTube: https://youtu.be/_H5hfAzE-iI

There’s no telling how long it will be up, maybe weeks from now, days from now, or even only minutes from now, or maybe we’ll get lucky for it to be left up indefinitely, though I doubt that. Enjoy while you still can!

Somehow, they had the SSE up there for months. I think it might finally be down, though.

I managed to watch it on YouTube and I must say the colour depth and contrast of this 35mm print is far superior to that of the blu-ray, even when there are parts where there’s a heavy blu bias. The real challenge of ROTJ DeEd. V. 3.0 will be to have the blu-ray footage match those, as the colours tend to look very muted, almost greyscale. Hope Neverar reads this.

fmalover said:

Hope Neverar reads this.

I’m sure it will be quite a very long time before he gets to RoTJ, assuming he doesn’t get burnt out by then. But I’ve seen about half of ANH with his grading, and I can say it’s very impressive that he got the color looking like he did. It looks like something that would be created with look up tables from one of the fancy Dre type apps using print scans to match it to, but as far as I know he just used manual color adjustment. I’m sure he can work wonders for Jedi as well, if he did so well with the bigger abomination of the 2011 ANH.

When that Jedi print is completely cleaned, will there still be a point to use the Blu Ray ?

Uploading whole movies to youtube is not only against youtube rules, but against the law.

UnitéD2 said:

When that Jedi print is completely cleaned, will there still be a point to use the Blu Ray ?

The Blu-ray still generally has a sharper image and more detail. Like, if you compare the Silver Screen Edition of Star Wars to the official BD, the former might have better colors but there’s still a fair amount of fine detail that can only be seen clearly in the latter. Which makes sense, LucasFilm did have the original negatives to work with, whereas all fan-editors have are copies of copies.

…Of course, in Return of the Jedi there was that one segment of about 10 minutes where the Blu-ray was completely out of focus so Harmy just used cleaned up 35mm footage all the way in Despecialized 2.5. It’s when they land on Endor and the first few scenes taking place there, if I’m not mistaken. In that one case, the multigenerational, worn out 35mm prints were actually superior to the BDs.

Yes, but the Jedi LPP is clearly a better source than the Star Wars LPP, in terms of sharpness etc.

Is it not an official presentation print (I could be mistaken), as opposed to the Spanish LPP of Star Wars, which is the dupe of another print and has many flaws ?

A good presentation print can have almost as much informations as the 2004 master - which is from the negative but manipulated with DNR and regraining. We saw that with a tech print of Star Wars, but it could be true with other kinds of prints, even if they are less sharp than the technicolor, of course.

Wasn’t the use of Blu Ray footages to build correct HD versions of the OT a stopgap until we have good original sources ?

Comparison of Blu Ray and LPP sources for Star Wars and Jedi : http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/187884/picture:0

I matched the colors to show the sharpness difference, which seems to be smaller for Jedi, in my opinion.

Jedi : Despecialized 2.5 matched to Grindhouse vs Grindhouse
Star Wars : Neverar correction vs Poita’s scan of the LPP matched to Neverar

UnitéD2 said:

Wasn’t the use of Blu Ray footages to build correct HD versions of the OT a stopgap until we have good original sources ?

I thought it was just because the Blu-ray is still the best version available despite its flaws? And looking at that comparison you posted… well it’s quite close, but the BD is still noticably clearer, so from where I’m standing it still makes sense to use the BD-footage where possible. Though with the film prints looking like that, we are at a point where it can be pretty seamlessly combined with the BDs I suppose.

Blackout said:

Dat_SW_Guy said:

is the LPP version available on myspleen?

Yes.

vexedmedia said:

If someone could provide an invite to MySpleen I would be very grateful

PM’d.

"If someone could provide an invite to MySpleen "

Same plz 😄
thanks back

Blackout said:

If I may, though, I would suggest revising the rules to explicitly state links even that do not go to direct downloads are not permitted, that is if rule four was the violation to begin with.

Just don’t make ANY kind of direct connections on this site to any full works of technically pirated content, simple as that. The point of the rules here is to keep this a safe place for open discussion on these legally gray matters (not to mention all the perfectly legal topics which may outweigh the non). If we become a source of obtaining more than just information ABOUT these kinds of things, then we’re no longer a simple haven of free speech, but direct distributors of illicit content, and that would quickly be the end of us, no matter how permissive Lucasfilm/Disney has seemed to be thus far.

Don’t push these boundaries here. There’s no excuse you can argue that would be right. Just don’t do it.

The RotJ Grindhouse is really atmospheric; there’s something very gritty about this, perhaps more so than TN1’s ESB. I’m curious about the dirt and scratches on RotJ, however: they mostly seem to be bright green. What’s the underlying cause of this?

Bluto