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Here are the color gradings for a number of finished shots, this time without DNR:

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As always, those colors are wonderful Dre.

So the previous images, in earlier pages, were with some DNR?

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dlvh said:

As always, those colors are wonderful Dre.

So the previous images, in earlier pages, were with some DNR?

Yes, those were based on the first video sample Williarob posted with DNR.

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drdre can you post an uncompressed clip of your latest version of this edit

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That looks beautiful, Dre. The colour palette and contrast appear expertly balanced to my eye. This is Star Wars 1977. Kudos to your good self and to Williarob. Keep up the extraordinary work!

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Williarob said:

Swazzy said:

Oh no, I didn’t mean that at all. I was referring to him commenting on whether or not this restoration has the photography right, and the insight he might have that we don’t in terms of accuracy, etc…

That would be nice, but if Mike Verta makes any comment at all, it will probably be more along the lines of “Still looks like crap compared to Legacy”, “f**k Negative One” and “if you like it so much go masturbate to it”. Those were his comments on the Silver Screen Edition anyway (I’m probably paraphrasing the first comment, but the second two are direct quotes), so I’m not expecting much in the way of constructive criticism from that direction…

I feel confident in predicting that I will like 4K77 enough to masturbate to it.

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Shuggy said:

Williarob said:

Swazzy said:

Oh no, I didn’t mean that at all. I was referring to him commenting on whether or not this restoration has the photography right, and the insight he might have that we don’t in terms of accuracy, etc…

That would be nice, but if Mike Verta makes any comment at all, it will probably be more along the lines of “Still looks like crap compared to Legacy”, “f**k Negative One” and “if you like it so much go masturbate to it”. Those were his comments on the Silver Screen Edition anyway (I’m probably paraphrasing the first comment, but the second two are direct quotes), so I’m not expecting much in the way of constructive criticism from that direction…

I feel confident in predicting that I will like 4K77 enough to masturbate to it.

That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen all week

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Williarob said:

[Swazzy said:]

I feel confident in predicting that I will like 4K77 enough to masturbate to it.

LOL we should make this the project tag line.

How come your quote says Swazzy instead of Shuggy? And there’s also no link.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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Dek Rollins said:

Williarob said:

[Swazzy said:]

I feel confident in predicting that I will like 4K77 enough to masturbate to it.

LOL we should make this the project tag line.

How come your quote says Swazzy instead of Shuggy? And there’s also no link.

Sorry, I was trying to edit out some of the text above to isolate this fine quote on my phone and backspaced a bit too far. I’ll fix it.

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I have one question. You may have covered this already, but aren’t the prints you are using missing some frames? I know the SSE was. Are you going to just use the frames you have or add them back so this will sync with the GOUT soundtracks. And if you add them back what source are you going to use?

Also, my 2 cents on the DNR is don’t worry about it. I think you should stick with making this as faithful to the original negative as possible, warts and all. Give us grain, give us the yellow spots in the Tatooine shots, give us the badly grained speeder shot in Mos Eisley. Give us what Mike Verta isn’t. He has taken it back beyond the original negative to what came through the camera lens. I prefer something more faithful to what was released in 1977.

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I forgot to add that those of us who would like to use this in a project can DNR if needed. There isn’t much reason to have two versions (though finding a complete 81 crawl would be an awesome supplement - the one with SSE was missing the final frame). And if you have a Technicolor print, you have something that is as close to the Negative in terms of grain as we can get without accessing the Lucasfilm archives. That level of grain is exactly what I want to see.

And Mike’s Legacy version is only the one film and I hope this project has two sequels to it for the complete OT. That will make this project far superior to Legacy.

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yotsuya said:

I have one question. You may have covered this already, but aren’t the prints you are using missing some frames? I know the SSE was. Are you going to just use the frames you have or add them back so this will sync with the GOUT soundtracks. And if you add them back what source are you going to use?

Yes, all of these prints are missing some frames. The LPP was only missing frames at the reel changes, but the other prints are all missing other frames too. I will be keeping the GOUT sync as I think that is very important because it allows us all to choose from a growing library of audio and subtitle tracks.

There are a variety of techniques I can use to restore missing frames, each with their own pros and cons:

  1. If there are just one or two frames missing the middle of a shot, PFClean’s Fix Frame effect can often be used to extrapolate or interpolate the missing frames. When it works, the new frames are seamless to the viewer. However, if you were to overlay one of these frames on top of an original frame from another source, they may not match up perfectly, especially if there was a single frame laser blast or something that the software has no way to predict. Also, it only works well about half the time. If there is any camera panning, there is often unusual cropping or other weirdness that ruins the new frame(s).

  2. Use a frame from another source (preferably another print, but the blu-ray if it cannot be found anywhere else). The advantage here is that we know we are not missing anything and that the frame is the right frame, the difficulty comes in making it look seamless. The colors, sharpness, size, rotation and cropping all have to match perfectly or you can see the difference. For this reason, it is often better to substitute the entire shot with that from another source.

  3. Sometimes, particularly if there is little or no motion, frames can simply be repeated.

  4. Photoshop. Using, for example the blu-ray frame as a guide, the previous frame and the next frame can be manually adjusted in Photoshop.

  5. A black or “Frame Missing” frame can be inserted, but of all of the solutions this is a last resort. I don’t know about you but I’d rather have a single slightly blurry frame than a black Flash!

I’ll do everything I can to make it as seamless as possible.

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Williarob said:
I don’t know about you but I’d rather have a single slightly blurry frame than a black Flash!

Amen to that!
Having a sudden black Flash occur in a darkened room while watching a movie is like a painless, yet irritating, version of getting both your eyes poked.

However, I do respect your decision on using black frames as a last resort.

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That looks great! Very consistent. The second wide shot of threepio and artoo may be a tad bright, but that’s a minor nitpick.

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Yeah, the print is pretty bright for that shot, so I might adjuat it a bit to be more consistent with the other shots.

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DrDre said:

Here’s a short color graded 1080p video sample with no sound:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8_LYKyZDiajR0lvQ1ppTnFwSm8/view?usp=sharing

I will try to finish the color grading for the complete video sample Williarob posted as soon as possible.

Perfect. I know it’s probably going to undergo another 130 or so revisions. But I think this looks excellent and would love to see you guys move on to some other shots, if the complete render looks as good as this portion. 😛 😃

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Hahaha, no these shots are finished, apart from the tiny adjustment, that was mentioned. I’m moving on to other shots 😉.

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Great! I’d love to see some of the other reels

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Nobody is more sick of looking at shots on the Tantive than me (except possibly Dre!), believe me. Unfortunately, the process I have in place requires a lot of setup: First I copy all of the frames from each source onto a drive (and given the size I can barely manage half a reel at a time). Then I have to write an AVISynth script to sync every source to the GOUT and make a note of all the missing frame numbers in each source. Next I have another script that sorts all the frames from each source into folders based on the shot number and source. This is so that the next script, this time in Photoshop can go through and register the images, and generate the dirtmaps. Another script run in After Effects brings all of these new files into a new Composition where I can make sure they line up, color match the sources after using Dre’s tools to generate the LUTs, let the dirt map do it’s thing and output those files to yet another folder where they are picked up in PFClean and manually cleaned some more, before being rendered again. Finally, I open the cleaned shots in After Effects, apply Dre’s LUT, do some cropping and render that out again as a completed shot. Every render has to be lossless so it all takes up GB and GB of space.

Unfortunately, this means that I have to process all the shots in order. I don’t have the luxury of being able to bounce around, reel to reel, willy nilly. I just don’t have the disk space to process the whole film this way. This is also why I can’t just work on the SE shots first and get Harmy started on his project sooner.

However, I do have the next 10 shots ready for you, so you’ll get your first look at Darth Vader and Princess Leia. I’ll upload them ASAP.

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I’m not dissatisfied with seeing more of the current shots, I’m just too excited that I look forward to seeing the rest down the line. Production is production, I understand that takes time and resources:)

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Looking forward to it Williarob, DrDre. Wish I could do more to help than just force my hyper-critical opinion down all of your throats, but nonetheless I’m excited to see what you guys can do with your tools, skill, and sources. We’ve come a long way on this forum, guys.