Honestly since I can’t notice it and there seems to be a dispute as to the nature or even existence of it, I’m not gonna worry about it. Any changes I make might just mess it up more so I’ll leave it as it is. If there is a problem I’m sure it will be corrected in 2.5.
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Honestly since I can’t notice it and there seems to be a dispute as to the nature or even existence of it, I’m not gonna worry about it. Any changes I make might just mess it up more so I’ll leave it as it is. If there is a problem I’m sure it will be corrected in 2.5.
The former is certainly true. You won’t notice it. As far as the existence of it goes, I am pretty certain Catbus was mistakenly discussing SW. But he has yet to come back and confirm. 😃
Somewhere early. It’s only off by a frame, so it makes sense that you would have not noticed it. It can be remuxed with a sync offset to fix.
Actually the frame difference between PAL and NTSC GOUT is at around 1:44:24, so the reason nobody notices it is that it’s a one-frame difference, it affects only a small section of the film, and that section has very little dialogue (which is the easiest way to spot small sync problems). Muxing the audio one frame off would actually make sync worse for most of the film, and you’d be more likely to notice it.
Are you discussing SW or ESB? I was referring to ESB, and the time stamp you’ve stated sounds more like the SW imperfection as of 2.5 (fixed in 2.7), but I don’t recall the exact point off the top of my head.
My understanding (and seemingly everyone else’s at the time) was that ESB was off by a frame very early on.
Well, I was talking PAL GOUT vs NTSC GOUT, which may or may not match specific DeEd releases (they’re supposed to sync to GOUT, but…). ESB does have a frame mismatch at the point I mentioned, Star Wars has one a little earlier, at around 1:40:08. Both are too late to be very noticeable.
Found the definitive Quality Control post:
http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/887863
Basically ESB DeEd got rid of all PAL/NTSC sync differences, but added an extra frame at the title card pushing everything back, as described. So basically the whole GOUT sync business was a total sidetrack, my fault, etc. The problem is specific to ESB DeEd 2.0. Either way, it’s one frame, just ignore it because you probably can.
With regards to the comparison here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf7VnM7dLk0&t=136s
I see a lot more detail in many scenes over the special edition and despecialized 2.0
Like at 0:08 when looking through the binoculars and at 2:16 where the snow speeder crashing into the ground is clearly visible and all others are just blurry.
Will there be much in the way of additions from the Grindhouse?
Also @ 2:34 there’s a snow covered mountain in the window of Luke’s X-wing that’s not there in the Gout or Grindhouse.
This is a special edition addition? Should be removed?
Yes, v2.5 will replace the majority (if not all) the recomposited shots with the Grindhouse. And since a big section of the Hoth battle suffers from blurriness (similar to the Endor arrival in the ROTJ BD, though not as bad) in future versions, if I get a better 35mm source, the entire scene is likely to be replaced - it’s just right now, the Grindhouse isn’t enough of an improvement to warrant putting in the work of cleaning the whole scene.
Well, this is a new low for the official Blu-Ray:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/190175
Jesus…you keep doing what you’re doing, Harmy.
Seeking only the most natural looking colors for Star Wars '77
Wow 😮 There’s no way you can even make out the “basic text” on the dash with the blu ray…
Took a stab at color correcting that frame, although its compressed (artifact’ed?) to hell:
Seeking only the most natural looking colors for Star Wars '77
To be fair, it only goes this blurry for a couple of frames. But it’s still pretty awful.
The more you look at these Blu-rays, the more terrible things you find.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Yeah, also, I noticed the automated cleanup I used on the Grindhouse erased some of the laser bolts, so I’ve been going through the whole sequence frame by frame, putting them back in. Lowry did not do that - there are lasers missing in some shots and if you know to look for them, you can see artifacts where they used to be.
I’ve noticed some other problems with the SSE in terms of this, such as the sparks around R2’s restraining bolt when it is attached. Automated cleanup does not like lasers or sparks.
You probably don’t recognize me because of the red arm.
Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Yeah, I had to put sparks back in in many places too.
What I do is I go through the cleaned scene and the original layered in difference mode, which shows the parts they have in common as black and highlights the differences, so I can see everything that’s been erased and shouldn’t have been.
After this, I’ll need to give it a manual cleaning pass as well, because a lot of the dirt is still there.
Well, this is a new low for the official Blu-Ray:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/190175
Low, lower, Lowry.
Yeah, I had to put sparks back in in many places too.
What I do is I go through the cleaned scene and the original layered in difference mode, which shows the parts they have in common as black and highlights the differences, so I can see everything that’s been erased and shouldn’t have been.
After this, I’ll need to give it a manual cleaning pass as well, because a lot of the dirt is still there.
Can we look forward to seeing something like this in your despecializing video 😄?
Yeah.
I never thought it about before, but going SUPER blurry does get rid of all the cleanup needed on the color corrected version…
But yeah, professionals should have more pride than that.
Here’s some work in progress v2.5 Hoth battle footage compared to other versions:
https://youtu.be/zdI4svni-WQ
Make sure to watch in 4K, even if you don’t have a 4K screen, because the compression is much better.
Nice!!!
Pretty dope yo 😀
Here’s some work in progress v2.5 Hoth battle footage compared to other versions:
https://youtu.be/zdI4svni-WQ
Make sure to watch in 4K, even if you don’t have a 4K screen, because the compression is much better.
IsS this cleaned up Grindhouse or is there some Blu Ray in there too?
Yeah! Harmy is on the run again!
Here’s some work in progress v2.5 Hoth battle footage compared to other versions:
https://youtu.be/zdI4svni-WQ
Make sure to watch in 4K, even if you don’t have a 4K screen, because the compression is much better.IsS this cleaned up Grindhouse or is there some Blu Ray in there too?
In true Despecialized fashion, it is a mix of the two.
It is work in progress but I’ll only do a few more little tweaks here and there, because I don’t want to put too much work into it, as I’m hoping to get Poita’s new scans for the next version, so I’ll have to be starting from scratch there.
Here’s a comparison album, showing why in the video I posted yesterday v2.5 is an improvement over v2.0.
In the Special Edition, many of the shots in this sequence have been recomposited. In Despecialized v2.0 those recomped shots were either left in or partially replaced with the GOUT - in v2.5, they were all replaced with the Grindhouse version, cleaned up and color corrected - the colors on the Grindhouse version are pretty bad, so there’s only so much that can be done to retrieve them (actually, I think I deserve some kind of award just for how much I’ve been able to pull out of the Grindhouse) and the cleanup was also very labor-intensive but it is now much much closer to the original version than v2.0, with a lot more clarity in the shots that used the GOUT in v2.0 and even in some that used the BD, because many shots in the BD version are actually quite fuzzy.
https://goo.gl/photos/YZCYhjphd7BSJijTA