I had a thought while at work about when Rey saved Finn from the Rathtar and I remembered when she attributed him being released due to luck rather than by her hands and it’s one of those small things that makes me find really likable.
yes, that was a very likable / relate-able moment for her character i think.
All I wished is that people would examine Luke the same way they do Rey.
Ok.
It takes Luke 3 years to awkwardly “Force get” his lightsaber in the snow.
And you know this how? Just because this is the first time we’ve seen him do a Force Pull on screen doesn’t mean he wasn’t capable of it in the 3 year time span between SW and ESB. If he was able to learn Blast Deflection in a few minutes why not telekinesis?
A few hours after having touched the very same lightsaber, Rey succeeds in “Force getting” the saber (I really don’t know the english term) in an even more spectacular way (someone else - someone with years of Jedi/proto-Sith training - was also trying to “Force get” the saber, but she easily beats him).
Though she did use a Force Pull without any training in the ability I don’t think Kylo Ren was even able to use The Force at the time.
When he reaches for the lightsaber with the Force it didn’t even budge.
The novelization said after he killed Han he felt weaker than he had in a long time
Aside from him Force Pushing Rey prior to their fight he doesn’t use the Force at all during their duel.
It takes 4 years to Luke to master the Jedi mind trick.
Again, where are you getting this from? Just because we didn’t see Luke use a mind trick prior to ROTJ doesn’t mean he didn’t know it.
He succeeds with Bib, fails with Jabba.
As SilverWook brought up in the other threads Hutts are immune to mind tricks. Very poor point.
Rey fails her first attempt (which occurs only a few hours after being told the existence of the Force) but a few seconds later - for some reasons which are never explained - she succeeds.
Why would it be explained at that time?
Luke almost got killed a few times (sand people, the cantina, the trash compactor, Vader in the trench, etc.) but got saved by someone else (mostly Ben and his Force protection). Rey… hum… well, at one point she’s in danger but she manages to escape (thanks to fast learning Jedi mind trick) or in other scenes she stays alive because she knows how to shoot, to kick ass with a metallic stick, to fly the Falcon, to climb, to bypass electronic devices, to use a lightsaber (just… because the script needs her to use a lightsaber), etc.
Well you’re forgetting that Finn was manning the turrets and shot down one of the two TIEs. Furthermore before Finn destroyed this TIE Fighter Rey got hit multiple times. He saved her…and this isn’t even the first time. When they were still on the ground Finn grabbed Rey on two different occasions where if she were alone she would have perished.
Rey might be the most powerful character ever seen in a movie
It’s fine if you don’t like her or if you find her OP but you’re exaggerating beyond belief.
her only pain is to witness the death of someone she only got to know a few hours. Luke struggles to get a few things done and nevertheless cannot prevent Ben, Beru, Owen or Biggs from dying.
And the pain of her finally accepting that her family abandoned her but then again Rey actually had internal stuff going on unlike Luke in SW.
He succeeds with Bib, fails with Jabba.
As SilverWook brought up in the other threads Hutts are immune to mind tricks. Very poor point.
But that’s not in the movie either, so it’s the same as saying “it took Luke 4 years to learn how to force pull.” All we know from the movie is that Jabba realizes that Luke is trying to trick him and is familiar with the mind trick thing.
JEDIT- I’m not trying to play defense or offense for anybody, just pointing this out.
Ben says that mind tricks only work on the weak-minded.
He succeeds with Bib, fails with Jabba.
As SilverWook brought up in the other threads Hutts are immune to mind tricks. Very poor point.
But that’s not in the movie either, so it’s the same as saying “it took Luke 4 years to learn how to force pull.” All we know from the movie is that Jabba realizes that Luke is trying to trick him and is familiar with the mind trick thing.
JEDIT- I’m not trying to play defense or offense for anybody, just pointing this out.
From the movie, yes. From canon, no. Hutts and whatever Watto is have an immunity to Force Persuasion or any type of mind altering Force Abilities. But then again who’s to say that George didn’t invent the Hutts to be resistant to mind tricks?
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As Frink said mind tricks only work on weak willed individuals meaning that even discarding the fact that Hutt’s are resistant to mind tricks there is an inherent flaw in the ability so Luke not being able to use it on Jabba is not a failing of his making. It’s still a bad point nonetheless.
JEDIT- I’m not trying to play defense or offense for anybody, just pointing this out.
You’ll never be a full-fledged mini-Frink with that attitude.
Rey has to fend for herself, get by on her own and survive all her life, while Luke sits around, chills with his friends, whines about moisture farm work and plays with model airplanes. They both have completely different backgrounds and mindsets when they get ahold of the force, so it would only be natural that Rey is more of a fast thinker and can catch on to the concept all the more efficiently.
The ‘IOU one backstory’ aspect is lame, but I’m certain VIII will forgive that. Galen Marek from The Force Unleased is likely the most ridiculously overpowered character in the whole damn franchise, and they still found a way to make the player relate to him. The same will be true for Rey, I’m sure Johnson and Kasdan will see to this.
(Also if Rey’s struggle was that much closer to Luke’s, wouldn’t it just be even more of an OT rip off? 😉)
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Rey has to fend for herself, get by and survive all her life, while Luke sits around, chills with his friends, whines about moisture farm work and plays with model airplanes. They both have completely different backgrounds and mindsets when they get ahold of the force, so it would only be natural that Rey is more of a fast thinker and can catch on to it better. The ‘IOU one backstory’ aspect is lame, but in certain VIII will forgive that. Galen Marek from The Force Unleased is likely the most ridiculously overpowered character in the whole damn franchise, and they still found a way to make the player relate to him. The same will be true for Rey, I’m sure Johnson and Kasdan will see to this.
(Also if Rey’s struggle was that much closer to Luke’s, wouldn’t it just be even more of an OT rip off? 😉)
TFA was somehow the worst possible Star Wars rip-off and yet didn’t feel like Star Wars at all.
At least, that’s what some people are saying ™.
He succeeds with Bib, fails with Jabba.
As SilverWook brought up in the other threads Hutts are immune to mind tricks. Very poor point.
But that’s not in the movie either, so it’s the same as saying “it took Luke 4 years to learn how to force pull.” All we know from the movie is that Jabba realizes that Luke is trying to trick him and is familiar with the mind trick thing.
JEDIT- I’m not trying to play defense or offense for anybody, just pointing this out.
Jabba specifically says the mind trick won’t work on him.
Where were you in '77?
Yeah, but not because of his biology.
"You’re mind powers won’t work on me, boy."
I always assumed it was because it “only works on the weak minded.”
Sat down and watched the 3D blu-ray of TFA again tonight and then again with the 2d version with JJ’s commentary. It’s been a year almost since the film came out and i still think it’s as good as ever. It has its flaws , yeh, but so do all the original 3, and we still love them. But this IS Star Wars, unlike those terrible prequels.
It’s amazing just how good the 3d looks on the blu-ray. At the cinema , the few times i saw it in 3d, the picture was a little blurry and lots of crosstalk. But i noticed that the projector booth glass was smudged to hell in all the cinemas i saw the 3d version. Gone are the days cinemas cared about giving you best possible viewing. no crosstalk and the picture is nice and clear. Colours are great.
The commentary is pretty good. It’s nice to hear JJ confirm all the things i said about rey and her abilities ( which are actually explained in the movie so it is hard for me to understand why so many seem to be confused and complaining about this). I won’t go into details about the commentary so people can hear it all fresh fro themselves.
The new extras on the disc are a bit too short, which is a complaint i had about the original release. I think it would have been better if these behind the scenes concentrated more on how they did things than so many talking heads. It was nice that the foley artists finally got some recognition as they are an integral part of a films production, yet they usually seem to get overlooked.
Only 2 new deleted scenes ( 3 f you count the one that was with the target release). Its a shame they included a version of the unkar plutt scene with the temp cg effects on the face. It would have been nice to see it with the original mask, no matter how rough that looked. Its probably a more violent scene than any other ever seen in a star wars film. But you can see why most of these scenes were cut. But the “Leia and the Resistance scene” is such a shame it was so short ( only about 17 seconds) and that it was cut from the film. This scene is classic Leia. Carrie was perfect. Slightly comedic and classic Leia attitude. Its also gives the destruction scene more emotion when the camera zooms in on the woman as we know she was sent there by Leia. ( in fact Leia is sends 2 people to their deaths in TFA if you include this scene. Maybe she is snoke after all 😉 ).
Al in all i am still loving every minute of this film. It’s still #3 for me, just below anh & ESB. It does make me laugh when i see people defending the prequels for being so original and saying that ANH is just a rip off of ANH. Yet AOTC has far more plot points ripped from ESB than TFA has from ANH. And TPM is basically just ANH & ROTJ. But i guess when George does it, it “rhymes” and when someone else borrows plot points it’s a “rehash”. ROTJ isn’t exactly original either. But TFA has some of the best acting in the whole saga. It did what the prequels failed miserably at - giving us characters we could actually care about and giving us actors that actually has chemistry together. I couldn’t have given a damn about any of the characters in the prequels. Including the ones from the OT. they were terrible. Even though Ewan was the best out of the lot, they portrayed Obi-Wan as a dick. Same goes for the Jedi. TFA also went back to the more old school way of telling the story, by not thinking they have to explain every single little bit of whats happening. another thing wrong with the prequels. Let’s have that air of mystery. Let’s figure things out for ourselves and have our own theories, no matter how right or wrong they turn out to be.
It was also a fun ride. Knowing that this is the first trilogy that the story has actually been planned out between the writers and directors, it’s nice to know that things were deliberately left unanswered . They didn’t need to be …yet. That will come.
So, for me, there are more good Star Wars films than there are bad. 3 great (ANH, ESB & TFA),one good (ROTJ) and three bad, one being very bad.
Ratings after a year (For Star Wars films NOT all time films)?
ESB - 10
ANH - 9.5
TFA - 9
ROTJ - 7
AOTC -3
TPM & ROTS - 1
I eagerly await Rogue One know to see if Lucasfilm without George can make it 2 for 2 with giving us great films.
The Leia deleted scene, whereabouts in the film you reckon it takes place?
I really want the commentary track, but I don’t want to double dip (especially since I don’t even have a 3D tv).
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The Leia deleted scene, whereabouts in the film you reckon it takes place?
Read the novelization by Alan Dean Foster
By the way Han shot first.
The Leia deleted scene, whereabouts in the film you reckon it takes place?
Read the novelization by Alan Dean Foster
Or you could just tell us…
Gotta say I agree with Adywan.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
One thing i forgot to mention, which really did disappoint me, is that they use the same simple menus that they used on the 2d release. They could have at least given us new menus.
Gotta say I agree with Adywan.
Me too, except I give ROTJ a slight edge over TFA.
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Gotta say I agree with Adywan.
Me too, except I give ROTJ a slight edge over TFA.
Yeah, they’re really close to being perfectly even for me, so I understand both sides.
Keep Circulating the Tapes.
END OF LINE
(It hasn’t happened yet)
I really want the commentary track, but I don’t want to double dip (especially since I don’t even have a 3D tv).
The commentary is only on the iTunes copy, if that helps.
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Whaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
That can’t be right.
JEDIT:
Listed here
https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Force-Awakens-3D/dp/B01JURU6WU
So…?
I really want the commentary track, but I don’t want to double dip (especially since I don’t even have a 3D tv).
The commentary is only on the iTunes copy, if that helps.
I think you meant that it’s ALSO on the itunes version 😉
Anyone seen the two or three new deleted scenes listed anywhere besides the new BR? Are they bundled with the new iTunes release as well?
I really want the commentary track, but I don’t want to double dip (especially since I don’t even have a 3D tv).
The commentary is only on the iTunes copy, if that helps.
I think you meant that it’s ALSO on the itunes version 😉
SORRY, I was thinking of Star Trek Beyond. I wonder if my iTunes copy got updated with the commentary like my Fury Road got “Black and Chrome”…
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It’s sad that this topic is still pinned to the top of this forum section.
The Rogue One Spoilers thread ideally should have taken it’s place months ago.
I’m tempted to get the 3D disc set but I’m never going to be able to see it in 3D so is it worth it?
I have the same problem with my Day of the Doctor set and those HDVD Star Trek episodes 😄