To quickly show how awsome this Leia shot correction is, here are comparison with Blu Ray and Despecialized edition.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/188958/picture:0
I’m sorry, the source is bad : it’s Harmy’s video one YouTube… A comparison at full resolution would be more impressive.
Edit: Never mind…
That Leia shot is just spot on perfect IMO!
Both a technical and a technicolor marvel.
Seeking only the most natural looking colors for Star Wars '77
Thanks all!
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Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
That looks amazing NeverarGreat! Wow!
Sorry I didn’t respond sooner. Those shots have an interesting teal tone similar to some other prints I’ve seen from the 80’s. I don’t have the Super8 print as a reference, so it’s nice to see it.
A mini update: Work continues apace with finalizing the first three reels. Most of reel 3 is finalized, and I’ve just signed off on the opening scenes:
This is 1000% the correct colors for this shot.
Sorry I didn’t respond sooner. Those shots have an interesting teal tone similar to some other prints I’ve seen from the 80’s. I don’t have the Super8 print as a reference, so it’s nice to see it.
A mini update: Work continues apace with finalizing the first three reels. Most of reel 3 is finalized, and I’ve just signed off on the opening scenes:
This is 1000% the correct colors for this shot.
Even how her face looks because i could be wrong but isn’t looking kinda bright if it’s supposed to look like that than wow man lucas really botched it.
Either Lucas botched it or it’s “a deliberate artistic choice”. Or Lowry botched it and Lucas just didn’t care.
Either Lucas botched it or it’s “a deliberate artistic choice”. Or Lowry botched it and Lucas just didn’t care.
Lowry have received a color “corrected” scan, they didn’t touch the colors themselves, that was done at Lucasfilm
Either Lucas botched it or it’s “a deliberate artistic choice”. Or Lowry botched it and Lucas just didn’t care.
Lowry have received a color “corrected” scan, they didn’t touch the colors themselves, that was done at Lucasfilm
They didn’t lucas just gave them a print that was corrected in a machine without actual care. He sold out a long long time ago in his home in California without giving any proper love to his films.
Sorry I didn’t respond sooner. Those shots have an interesting teal tone similar to some other prints I’ve seen from the 80’s. I don’t have the Super8 print as a reference, so it’s nice to see it.
A mini update: Work continues apace with finalizing the first three reels. Most of reel 3 is finalized, and I’ve just signed off on the opening scenes:
This is 1000% the correct colors for this shot.
It’s 10x more correct than the original colors?
Either Lucas botched it or it’s “a deliberate artistic choice”. Or Lowry botched it and Lucas just didn’t care.
Lowry have received a color “corrected” scan, they didn’t touch the colors themselves, that was done at Lucasfilm
They didn’t lucas just gave them a print that was corrected in a machine without actual care.
That’s why I put the “corrected” in parentheses.
The question I keep asking is how much Lowry is shifting the blame and how much truth is in what they say. They also did the bond movie digitization and some of the films from the same time period as A New Hope share the same transfer flaws. I’m sure some of it is GL and staff, but I think some of it is Lowry. They at least take full credit for the clean up, even if they don’t for the color flaws. I just find it strange that Most of the bond films, TESB and ROTJ are mostly free of the magenta issue and yet ANH and several of the bond films from around the same time share that magenta flaw. Not saying they are lying, just that it is suspicious.
I don’t think Lowry is to blame for ANH. I believe the issues with magenta are mostly caused by fading of the negative, which were then exasperated by a dodgy color grading. At the time of the original SE release, they showed some clips of the unrestored negative, and it had faded to a bluish green. In other words red had mostly faded away, and blue to an extend as well. When they restored the colors, the noise in these two channels was also enhanced, leading to magenta noise in the film. They applied DNR to it, resulting in magenta staining. So, I believe that any future release based on the original negative will have the magenta staining to some extend. This is why Mike Verta’s resoration is so unique, as it is based on prints, that don’t fade, and therefore don’t have these issues.
NeverarGreat’s amazing Leia shot inspired me to follow in his steps grading the 4K77 project. Here’s a bluray regrade based on that color grading:
Oh ! Reading your excellent updated first post yesterday and today, I’ve just learned you capitulated for the escape pod color (the worst change in the hole trilogy).
I suppose there would be a too consequent loss of informations if you used the 2004 version for the hole shot, instead of the blu ray with recovered highlights ?
Also, I have to hope the return of the rotoscoped blue door for my redfish’s wedding anniversary. 😉
Joking aside, your final product will certainly be a masterpiece, even in order to watch the SE : the supreme pleasure of eating a Big Mac with silver cutlery. 😃
Thine criticism wounds me mightily! Prithee, cast no evil aspersions on the SE, for long it has weathered the slings and arrows of outrageous backlash, and yet the original is safe in the keeping of not a few among us.
But yes, I updated the first post a few days ago before finalizing the scene and yesterday when I finalized the scene I remembered that it isn’t in the goal of the project to despecialize the film, but only to make a ‘best of’ the 2004 and 2011 versions with an eye to continuity and fixing mistakes. The blue doors were clearly a mistake long overdue of a fix.
😃
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Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
No evil aspersion should be found here. Hath not a Ronto eyes ? If you prick it, do it not bleed ?
I’m not so sure about that - in the original timing, in every version I’ve seen, the interior of the pod has been blue in the shots of R2 entering it, and I don’t see any reason for them to paint that door blue if it wasn’t intentional - you don’t paint a prop a certain distinct color by mistake.
I think the reason they probably removed the blue door is that they really intensified its saturation in 2004 when they felt the need to make R2 as blue as possible.
We actually never see R2 enter the pod though - when he opens the door, he is actually going through an entry tunnel of some kind made of a reflective material. R2 stops next to a door bathed in blue light at the end of the tunnel, but in several shots the blue light is gone and it’s just reflecting the brownish gray of the surrounding set.
Since Image Shack is down for now:
Escape Pod Colors
You can clearly see the end of the access tunnel when the pod ejects from the ship. Granted, there are no visible doors on the side of the pod, but nothing about the pod makes sense as there is also no window looking back on the Star Destroyer. The people in charge of making sense of these things apparently also gave up and put the window on the side of the pod:
And the prop used in the desert doesn’t look like the model:
Too bad it’s in black and white, but the interior of the pod appears gray in all of the releases, it’s just the door that is blue.
In short, there’s no evidence one way or another as to what the pod door looks like except what is seen in the desert.
JEDIT: @Towne: That’s a good point. I’m going to see how the blue door looks with my final grading.
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Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/189787
The first comparison is between the HD broadcast colors and my settings. As you can see, the blue is still very prominent.
The second comparison is between the corrected Blu-ray and a combination of Blu-ray and HD Broadcast shadow detail. I noticed that the shadows of the Blu-ray, especially in this scene, were quite pixelated and the Broadcast seems to have a similar level of detail without pixelization, so I am going to use this combination for the scene, and perhaps others. The door is now a very grayish blue.
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Episode 9 Rewrite, The Starlight Project (Released!) and ANH Technicolor Project (Released!)
Yes, this is one of two main fixes that I implemented in my version. Because later, when the Stormtroopers find it, the door is still blue. Typical of Lucas, he made changes and didn’t bother to check the continuity. So in my restoration of the home video SE (I think HVSE sounds good instead of Lowry, DVD, or blue-ray) I have restored the blue door and removed the rock. I have also restored the explosions, the Falcon blue engine glow, restored the yellow flowers, normalized the lightsaber color, and removed as much of the magenta tint as I could. And all that before getting down to picking out the shots that didn’t match my global color correction because of over saturation, under saturation, contrast issues, or completely separate color issues. The Lars homestead scenes and the attack on the Death Star have some of the oddest color issues. I’ve been using both the GOUT and the broadcast 97 SE as guides and I’ve tried to leave issues alone that stem from the original production, but there was one I couldn’t leave. I’ll deal with the rest when I finally get around to my fan edit (a semispecialized version that mainly is to fix all the continuity issues and remove some of the unnecessary changes).
The correction of the 2004 version, with that prominent blue, feels right (perhaps a little too purple) and is consistent with the LPP :
