There were things that could not be done or were not entirely clear.

I would want the extra snippets re-inserted because that is how you do a proper special edition. Not come up with a bunch of new ideas.

Aesthetically pleasing is a different ball game and revamping something visually I am not against and if you were to do Star wars from 1977 in 3D flat 2D pancake shots would have to go and be made in a 3D environment in some instances. Take for instance the surface of the death star in the battle of yavin it’s plan grey with no detail what so ever in the background whilst the model x-wing footage looks fantastic (in some shots).

But get those new ideas away from a film made in 1977 unless it was originally planned.

You take for instance the Krayat dragon call. That’s one of the sand people not a Krayat Dragon, Obi-wan is not making that sound… It is absurd to think so. it’s probably just missing the close up of a tuskan raider reacting to the old man approaching. It needs the original sound mixed to sound like it’s in the canyon and not a raw sample with no environment effects.

I’m confused. Didn’t they already do a 4K release for the digital releases last year?

generalfrevious said:

I’m confused. Didn’t they already do a 4K release for the digital releases last year?

Nope, it was still same old same old.

Tobar said:

Ronster said:

You take for instance the Krayat dragon call. That’s one of the sand people not a Krayat Dragon, Obi-wan is not making that sound… It is absurd to think so. it’s probably just missing the close up of a tuskan raider reacting to the old man approaching.

What are you even going on about. Of course that was Obi-wan that made the howl. Are you insinuating that Tusken Raiders are so dumb they spook themselves?

No.

If you watch the scene the Tuskan Raiders turn and then you hear the noise start. Then we cut to Old Ben Kenobi waving his arms about.

It is not cut to Ben and that noise starts.

Believe what you want I don’t mind but the sound effect in all 3 versions (I prefer the original sound) does not sound like it is made in that environment. It is a raw sample with no environment manipulation to sound distant or anything like it is coming from the place that we are watching in the film. And it is simply loud in volume and raw and has no relationship really to anything else we hear from that environment. I looked at the novel description and it does indeed say it’s Obiwan making that noise but I got to say I think it’s a bit weird. It would be better to have actually had a Krayat dragon scare the sand people away and then Obiwan lumbers over the hill as the Dragon makes chase to the Tuskan Raiders.

Anyway I have been watching the making of Star Wars today (documentary). There are blue screen shots of tie fighters been blown apart… Not once can I remember a tie fighter being blown apart it was always covered by an explosion. And they snap cut from the debris flying off or the tie fighters breaking apart. They did do this for the rebel ships though. Now that’s a good idea for a special edition. Restore the tie fighters being blown up.

Well I just read that the original sound was taken from the Hannah Barbara Sound Library. Also this means royalty payments for the use of that sound.

If this is the case that means that it was just a random sound effect from somewhere else used for the “Howling Moan” as the script put’s it. There is no mention of it being a “Krayat Dragon” apart from in a kids junior novel and the radio drama by Brian Daley (Which would reference George Lucus notes)

The script makes no mention of it being a Krayat dragon.

It seems the Later special editions try to reference the howling moan a bit closer mentioned in the script rather than an animal cry as the later versions sound more Human.

So what is it? Do I need to read the book or the script to understand what it is exactly even though there is a contradiction.

In all honesty I can imagine the original sound being changed to avoid the royalty payments though.

I think George should explain exactly what this scene is actually about too. Is it Ben putting an image in the Tuskan raiders heads with the force?

It is actually really hard to understand the exact intention of this howl and what if anything it represents.

I could easily opt for silence and the sight of the wandering wizard of which the sand people were aware of is enough to scare them. You then ask the question why are they scared of this old man? Rather than could it be that strange sound that scared them off?

I am not confused, I just don’t think it is needed now I have thought about it. It throws up more than about 5 questions.

Where as if it was silent you would only have 1 question which is simple and effective.

So I was talking about the Death Star Surface and then I Realised what about that old set that was a joint Lucusfilm & Disney project.

The Star tours footage from the original ride would be perfect to add perspective to the surface of the death star when it is just that flat grey smooth ball. There is probably lot’s of footage and outtakes from this that could easily be re-purposed for the death star surface and it is also a practical not digital effect. And it’s really superior to many of the backgrounds like below. And I also believe it was much bigger hence the perspective you get.

There is really no in between either you are right near the surface or you are really far away in Star Wars and you never really see the scope of the surface of the Death Star like you do in Star Tours.

Another example of the non detailed surface

Star Tours perspective of Death Star surfce

or perhaps cgi would be better.

suspiciouscoffee said:

Ronster said:

I am not confused, I just don’t think it is needed now I have thought about it. It throws up more than about 5 questions.

Where as if it was silent you would only have 1 question which is simple and effective.

So I was talking about the Death Star Surface and then I Realised what about that old set that was a joint Lucusfilm & Disney project.

The Star tours footage from the original ride would be perfect to add perspective to the surface of the death star when it is just that flat grey smooth ball. There is probably lot’s of footage and outtakes from this that could easily be re-purposed for the death star surface and it is also a practical not digital effect. And it’s really superior to many of the backgrounds like below. And I also believe it was much bigger hence the perspective you get.

There is really no in between either you are right near the surface or you are really far away in Star Wars and you never really see the scope of the surface of the Death Star like you do in Star Tours.

Another example of the non detailed surface

Star Tours perspective of Death Star surfce

or perhaps cgi would be better.

Wouldn’t that require a Star Tours restoration?

Side note: I think I’ve said this before but Star Tours would be an awesome bonus feature, much like the Back to the Future Trilogy comes with BTTF: The Ride.

The only thing that would be of interest would be individual elements. As you would not want to include the Star Tours ride footage in Star Wars in Raw Footage. So you would only be interested in the Death Star Surface Element footage really to add detail where very little was present. It’s shots like the Death Star surface which are reasons against having Star Wars in 4K when they are that smooth grey ball. Which is one of the few reasons not to have Star Wars in 4k.

Yeah takes me back to when I visited Florida when I was young does Star Tours. Would be nice for a restoration of the Ride like you say.

There is a nice alternate angle of Han Solo running up the Ramp in Mos Eisley port on to the Falcon which is better than what is in the film which I have spotted. The Snap cut to chewie in the cockpit is an odd edit as it breaks the flow of the action. As they take off there is some weird guy in a green suit in the corridor behind the cockpit (behind them) as they prepare to take off. Not sure what that is?

The Death Star Hanger not sure what is going on there exactly but it seems that there has been a re-arrangement in footage as we see a storm trooper fall to the ground then we see him being shot a few moments later. Also Leia Repaets the same dialogue take “Come On!” Twice. So I wonder if there is an Alternate audio take for Leia saying come on in a more heightened state.

This thread…

Oh yeah? Did you read through the previous 91 pages of hot garbage to verify?

You need to read the other 91 pages for the entertainment value alone.

Everyone should get out of this thread so it can be safely burned to the ground.

ray_afraid said:

Ronster said:

It’s shots like the Death Star surface which are reasons against having Star Wars in 4K when they are that smooth grey ball. Which is one of the few reasons not to have Star Wars in 4k.

Get Out.

Your ideas have nothing to do with a restoration. Your thoughts belong in the Fan Edit section of the forums.

JEDIT: Thought this was the #4K77 thread. Still, all this Star Wars ride crap has nothing to do with a restoration of Star Wars '77.

I was talking about how it could be packaged to make it appealing. You won’t be seeing a restoration on Star Wars from 1977 being sold on it’s own.

Actually according to Disney you probably won’t be seeing a 4K restoration if that is what they are claiming un-interest. And it will be a Blu-ray at 1080p.

As soon as the Original unaltered film were to be released there would be damnation of how certain aspects were not right and people would set about copying it and altering it in order to fulfill their own tastes. Where the majority of people will like the release but ultimately be a flash in the pan. Cool we got the original film, then the claims about how superior the special editions are will start to be shouted out across the media and “I forgot how bad some of the special effects were” start to echo.

I think Disney should release the OT and a new Special Edition. This would be the best course of action to please everyone. I was merely trying to state how if they do a special edition I don’t want it being crammed full of CGI.

I am actually trying to find the thing that will fly off the shelves like there is no tomorrow to actually make it viable.

A mass produced Original Unaltered version of Star Wars sold on it’s own will sell well at first but ultimately end up a bargain bucket title unlike all the new films which the this generations Kids Love.

The Kids of today might like Star Wars from 1977 but they will prefer the new films more. Which put’s the old film from 1977 in a bit of a predicament 40 years later of how to sell it all over again to the Kid’s of today. And the Kid’s have already seen it from their parents DVD collection.

You obviously don’t really care about anyone who should care to put money in to making it happen to make it economically viable to do so.

And most people will just settle for their free bootleg fan re-creation making it even less economically viable to do a proper job on it because you can get it pretty much for free.

Perhaps a better strategy is to create another 6 different versions of Star Wars simultaneously so people have to buy the film six times and observe all the differences.

Well I personally I am waiting for the 8K ultimate ego maninac edition to surface so I might just sit it out until then.