twooffour

Heh... said it on the video already, but I love how he was initially so-bad-it's-good when attempting serious dramatic acting, and now a whole new level of SBIG when intentionally parodying himself :D

The man is a phenomenon.

The End.

But... but you can't treat opinions as facts! Everyone is right in their own way!

But Vader didn't know that yet, because Leia was given a different surname!

The Wampa was a one-dimensional cartoon villain, but being a side character at best, it doesn't seem out of place for a movie of this genre, so I think we can let that one slide.

haraldo23 said:

sonnyboo just got PWNED!

Don't attack him for his opinion! That's uncivilized...

SilverWook said:

So much for "I'm outta' here".

Does this have to turn into a pissing contest?

That was two days ago :D

But yea, now for real xD

darth_ender said:

I don't agree with the OP on many points.  There is quite a bit I like about ROTJ, in spite of its shortcomings.

What's this whole argument about?  I don't even know what's going on.

Basically, the OP claims that his list makes a case for ROTJ being the WORST OF ALL SIX STAR WARS MOVIES, and some of us took objection to that because nothing in his list supports such a judgment, and a lot of those criticisms apply to the prequels (and the other OT movies) as well.

What's happening here is that the guy can't deal with it, doesn't want to respond to any of that in a meaningful way, or reconsider his own position, or add any new arguments, and he also isn't okay with just ignoring this all.


So he just keeps coming back to remind everyone how it's just "his opinion" and "all objections are just as valid as his opinion and just as subjective", and how he "doesn't need or have to justify any of his statements because it's a movie".
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one here who finds that hilarious :)

Excellent! :D

Ah, I'd already forgotten I've ever written that post, so thanks for reminding me anyway, and thanks for announcing your own insignifance with such clarity, just to make sure I get it!

Tool.

Darth Bizarro said:

Alright, that does it.  Frink, add my name to the petition please.

It's funny how everyone aside from you seems to realize who's the real weird douche in this thread.

Rather strange how you choose to ignore me over the OP based on the last few posts (sonnyboy spews nothing but defense plattitudes, I point out he spews nothing else but defense plattitudes), but yea, go ahead, sign the "petition" and go away - I don't need "this is just a movie! stop discussing it!" mouthbreathers like you to read my posts, thank you very much.

Should've done this long ago.

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

What a ludicrous frog you are.

You are just a sore loser.

You lost, get over it.

hahahahahaha I WON I WON I WON

Hey, folks, does anyone else think that trying to reason with this hamster may be a vain effort?

The picture seems pretty clear to me - he had enough energy to express his half-baked arguments on the blog, but now his brain is (at least for the time being) completely overwhelmed by the objections and challenges and all he's still capable of doing is stubbornly protect his little turf subjective security.

It's all lame defense mechanisms, no reasoning or rationality available.

Maybe he just should be given some distance, and in a few weeks his ego will overcome the disturbing prospect of his own subjective opinion possibly being somehow invalid, his brain will grow some more connections, and it'll get better.

There absolutely isn't any sense in expecting anything more from him now - he's currently on auto-pilot, and you'd have more chances to get into a sensible discussion in the Chat with God.

The thread was created to list my Top Ten Reasons ROTJ sucks.... I am saying this again and again. What part of that is hard to understand?

Just finished the blu ray set. I wrote a blog about why ROTJ is the worst of the 6 movies.

:D

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

If you're fine with that, then don't write any articles on that - but then people will continue saying it's unsupported... but you're fine with that :D

I am fine with that.... mostly because if you read your sentence above -

Notice you are interjecting YOUR opinion that my blog "should" do anything.

I really don't have to do anything, nor SHOULD I write anything other than whatever I feel like.

You still lose! hahahahahahahahaaha

What a ludicrous frog you are.

3. The Look is All Wrong – After the second film, did the Empire celebrate its trouncing of the Rebellion by going through the galaxy with a big bottle of Windex? Everything in Jedi looks clean and polished, from the ships to the costumes to the backgrounds. One of the triumphs of the first two films was the fact that it was next to impossible to imagine they were filmed right here on Earth. In contrast, Jedi’s sets look like sets. We can picture cameras, plywood and the key grip eating a sandwich just outside the frame. Marquand never seems to know where to put the camera, and is constrained by the space his scenes inhabit instead of inspired by it. In the end, it’s surprising that Jedi doesn’t have any cardboard tombstones falling over, or a brief appearance by Vampira as the ghoul’s wife.

Ok, this is stupid.

Jabba's palace looks pretty dirty, while the DS and Bespin look pretty clean in the previous movies.
The ENTIRE universe was never supposed to be one giant garbage hole.

And how was it next to impossible to... what? A desert, a snow desert, some woods, and yes, SETS for ship interiors. Seriously, what the FUCK?




11. Music – The soundtrack to Wars is a unquestioned classic. Empire’s soundtrack gave us the Trilogy’s best piece of music: The Imperial March. What does Jedi have to offer? Some playful “Peter and the Wolf”-esque Ewok tunes and Jabba’s foam-and-latex band.

How about the... fucking Emperor's Theme?



Hey, the guy has a few nice points inbetween, but I simply can't go on.

FUCK... shit... I'm outta here.

Hey, wasn't my first comment something along the lines of "Since it says 6, I'm not gonna read it" (I actually did)?

Didn't I proceed to drop remarks like "this is a decent list of things that bug you about ROTJ, but in no way does it amount to your position on the prequels"?

Seems like I've already done all the disclaimer work for you ;)


But yea, again, write whatever blog you want, don't write whatever you want, but as it stands now, we have a rough idea of what you don't like about ROTJ, but your claim, or "opinion", that they also make it worse than the prequels (which you bothered to put in the title, no less), remains unsupported.

(Generally, with a statement like this in your opening post: "I wrote a blog about why ROTJ is the worst of the 6 movies" [False; it doesn't say anything about the other 5, which it should as many points in it apply to those as well], you reall shouldn't wonder why people actually take you up on that.)

If you're fine with that, then don't write any articles on that - but then people will continue saying it's unsupported... but you're fine with that :D

That's pretty much what defensive statements such as this:

"I simply have my opinions that are entirely subjective, as you do yours. Your opinion is in no way objective or absolute for anyone other than yourself and those who share your point of view."

... amount to. Not a direct request to quit challenging your opinions, but a clear attempt to shieled its "validity" or "right to exist" from said challenges under the guise of "subjectivity".

These reasons are subjective and any counter arguments appear to be equally valid and subjective.

I never made arguments. I made subjective statements of opinions.

Unfortunately, that simply is not true and we arrive at an impasse.

I'm willing to say that the world can have all kinds of opinions, and you seem to believe yours are better than everyone else's and you are right.

You have failed to make a good actual argument or "win" because there was nothing to win.

Honestly, you just seem like a frustrated high school debate drop out.

You are out to win an "argument" that exists solely in your imagination.

I hate the "I like the part when" meme on Youtube comments.

WhatsMyName said:

TV's Frink said:

 

WhatsMyName said:

I liked the Jedi Rocks scene

wut

 

 did i studder?

I do like it in a certain way, as a very silly (but openly and honestly so) goofy rap mock-up with rather fun CG characters.

But I'd prefer it as some kind of DVD easter egg (like those they've included as hidden features, with Yoda dancing, toasters jumping out of landing platforms and all that) because it doesn't really fit into the movie and feels like a commercial break.

Unless you disagree with that, as well...

Okay, sorry, I agree I went over the top with the above (once again).
Seems like the more I actually ought to be doing something else, the feistier I get :)

Yea, all points have been made, so I guess I'm outta...

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

Darth Bizarro said:

twooffour said:

Having that all said, don't you think you're acting a bit too defensive for a dude who started his own thread about 10 reasons why chocolate is better than vanilla ice cream? :D

Don't you think you're behaving a bit to offensively for a thread about a FREAKING MOVIE.

I don't see how I'm being particularly "offensive", except in the regular way of joining in and saying something makes no sense, which is a fairly regular thing to do when talking about a freaking movie ;)

If it means anything, I do not find you to be "offensive". You're expressing your opinion, and nothing you are saying is remotely personal or insulting, so please feel free and continue.

Ok, thanks. Then you also must realize that nothing I say is actually aimed against your person, so if you don't feel like wading through the objections and thinking up a response, there's also no need to guard your stance from what is mere expression of opinion by quoting Big Lebowski all the time, right? ;)

sonnyboo said:

twooffour said:

Yea, right. It's a decent list of "10 things that bug me about ROTJ", but if you wanna claim it's worse than the prequels, you need more than that.

Apparently, you need more than that. I'm perfectly content with my list, as is, and letting it bother you a lot more than me.

You're "content" with it because you refuse to look at the glaring flaws in your list that I and others point out to you.

The reason I need more is because what you've presented so far demonstrably fails to make a case for ROTJ being worse than the PT, and YOU need more in order to convince any of your readers that have seen through the gaps and post them in this thread.

I never said you needed anything to convince yourself of anything ;)

How about you try to respond to a few of those objections instead of hastily shielding your ego from objections to your blog? Would make things interesting for once - because just reading one "oh, but that's just my opinion, and it's just yours, so can you respect that" after the other frankly gets quite boring.

And that's why you STOPPED! :D