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#1028118
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Whereas this is a thread for piecing together what the “original” or unreleased cut(s) of Rogue One contained,

and whereas this discussion, starting with Alderaan’s comment, has turned into an argument about whether or not a certain type of film must contain certain elements, which is not the purpose of this thread,

and whereas I have now read the new Rules and Guidelines,

I declare that you guys are getting off topic, and ask that you take your argument to another thread, such as the main Rogue One discussion thread.

Back on topic, I’m intrigued by the two jedi statues, but worry that it’s just flipped shots?

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Good point, and I’ve changed the wording slightly to match. Sounds like, given the lack of any major deleted scenes, that there wasn’t anything huge in there that we’re lacking, though - but I’m sure that version of the briefing was the surlier, “I rebel” Jyn.

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doubleofive said:

timdiggerm said:

doubleofive said:

Note the different design of the communications tower. Could be artistic license, might not be.

Matches the shot of the communications tower in the trailer

Does the comm tower look like that in the finished film?

Nope! In the finished film, they put the comm tower’s dish on top of the archives/command center and made it one building. This, as Ronster says, excised the entire sequence of Jyn & Callian running across the beach with the plans in hand, under fire from AT-ATs.

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Ronster said:

Wobani and Ring of Kafene are Gilroys not in the Visual Dictionary and not covered in the slightest. Although The Ring of Kafene is covered in the art book and labelled as Planet X. So Planet X may have been originally in the script but not shot until much later and then given it’s Ring of Kafene trading post label as they had no name for it.

I find this part of Ronster’s argument compelling - it points to them being very last minute additions. Given how much we (don’t) see of them, seems possible.

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Ronster said:

Wobani feels to me like the obvious insert. This could have happened on Jedha as we never really see outside the Transport (Juggernaught).

The prison cell also appears to be very minimal. There is footage of that squid like creature she shares a cell with jumping along the Jedha street so I think Wobani was Jedha originally but it was made in to another planet.

Jyn was being sent to work on the Kyber Crystal mines as that was a plot point.

Ring of Kafene is probably the opening of the original film.

Triangle Face may have featured at the opening on Jedha he might have also put Jyn behind bars.

Ronster, that is some pretty good stuff. Can you provide any links for that stuff?

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DominicCobb said:

timdiggerm said:

Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.

Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?

Start not necessarily but certainly she ends up on Yavin in cuffs.

Very good point. Not sure how that works with Jedha before Yavin. Hm.

Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)

Do we know there was a missing strike on Jedha? Where does that come from? As for Eadu, it’s possible there could have been a sequence there beforehand but it would have been completely different. My biggest question mark is where Galen fits into all of this pre-reshoots.

See my links here, but I guess we don’t know. Agree about Galen pre-reshoots being a mystery.

Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.

Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?

I think the sequencing of things aren’t too different from the theatrical. Jyn is on Jedha with Saw beforehand via flashbacks, but the sequence with Cassian, Bodhi, K2, etc. doesn’t happen until after Yavin. It was still their first stop, and probably for similar reasons.

I may be coming around to your view on this order of events.

As for the Death Star, who knows.

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Yavin changes are the very next thing I want to add to the top-posts - but it feels like a huge muddle. I have a lot of questions.

Do we even know that Jyn was going to start the movie imprisoned?

Where does the missing rebel starfighter strike on Jedha fit? (Its excision, btw, may be related to inserting the Eadu sequence, if we think that’s totally reshoots)

Rebel Command know there’s a weapon being built, and it’s going to be tested soon. Is that test still Jedha? I assume so, but then we have the Death Star starting at Scerif (its construction site), then heading to Jedha, then returning to Scerif.

Since Jyn doesn’t learn about the Death Star until she’s at Yavin post-Jedha, what does she think is going on on Jedha with Saw, Bohdi, Cassian, etc?

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LexX said:

How do you guys feel seeing stuff on the trailers that aren’t in the film? I think it’s very misleading, I’ve been wondering a long time what all the snippets meant and was looking forward to the subway scene and many others. I mean seriously, like 95% of the dialogue and over half of the stuff shown in advance wasn’t in the movie.

I really hope the BD contains a lot of deleted footage.

Do you feel tricked? I think it’s just a reality of the film-making process. When those trailers were made, I’m sure most if not all of what you saw was in the movie - it’s just that things changed over time. If you demand trailers that only contain what’s in the final film, you can’t have trailers until the final cut.

Plus, it’s pretty helpful for discussions like this one!

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doubleofive said:

Saw Gerrara is bald in flashbacks and bearded in the “present”, therefore I believe most of the early trailer shots are from a cut that has some Jyn in training and/or her abandonment. The dialog “What will you do when they catch you? What will you do if they break you? If you continue to fight, what will you become?” sounds like training or his final speech as he leaves her behind.

I agree this sounds like exactly what you say - but then Jyn would’ve been to Jedha previously, as that’s the same room in which they meet later. So…not sure what to make of that?

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doubleofive said:

joefavs said:

A version of the script was produced where not everyone died before Disney gave Gareth Edwards the OK to kill everyone:

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/20/14022380/rogue-one-ending-original-different-gareth-edwards

He claims none of that ending was actually shot, but that seems to be at odds with the trailer shots of Jyn running around the Imperial base and beach with the plans in hand.

I think Tim’s statement of there being two buildings covers running with the plans. It doesn’t makes much sense to have the archives INSIDE the comm tower/command center. I believe they had to break into the archives, then get to the comm tower, which may or may not have been the command center. If originally the planet was the construction base for finishing the DS, it would make sense to have more than one building.

I think the comm tower was a pretty minor, albeit tall, outlying building, as seen here: https://imgur.com/st5nowj

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joefavs said:

He claims none of that ending was actually shot, but that seems to be at odds with the trailer shots of Jyn running around the Imperial base and beach with the plans in hand.

Fascinating. Why do you say that Jyn running around the beach with the plans in hand implies they shot an ending where she survived? As far as I can figure, her survival would only affect what happens after she transmits the plans - and the scenes running around on the beach with the plans took place in between getting the plans from the Archive and transmitting them at the Tower (originally separate structures), which has nothing to do with surviving post-transmission.

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Rogue Raid on Scarif

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Jedha

  • The Empire was going to be holding Rebel prisoners on Jedha, as shown by captured pilots.

  • It seems very likely that Kaytoo did not meet Jyn until they were all on Jedha. Is this because Cassian and Jyn went to Jedha to meet up with Kaytoo, or because Cassian and Kaytoo meet Jyn there, then take her to Yavin?

  • The crashed X-Wing in the background of Chirrut’s introductory fight scene belonged to Saw’s Partisans - possibly indicating there was more to their attack on the Kyber Crystal Convoy.

  • At least some of the Partisans, such as Moroff, were going to make it off Jedha. From there they’d join the Rebellion and participate in the assault on Scarif.

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