timdiggerm

That guy with no name said:

timdiggerm said:

I had missed that redacted pastebin partial. Any idea what the .WI source is? The others all make sense.

very interesting that they’ve partially re-recorded foley for the new 7.1 mix. That’s…well, maybe it’s understandable, but it’s surprising nonetheless.

VVI stands for Vista Vision Intermediate or Interpositive. This has been confirmed by the clips that have been named as such…

Ooooooh that makes so much sense. Thank you.

I had missed that redacted pastebin partial. Any idea what the .WI source is? The others all make sense.

very interesting that they’ve partially re-recorded foley for the new 7.1 mix. That’s…well, maybe it’s understandable, but it’s surprising nonetheless.

Honestly I hope that’s true

Grand Admiral Thrawn said:

I’d still argue Ady’s might look better. Disney and Lucasfilm has had a TERRIBLE track record of quality on home video releases and I’d be willing to bet money that 4K77 and Despecialized will still look miles better than an official release.

If the leaked clips are indicative of final product… nope

But anyway, that’s a discussion for another thread

I’m flabbergasted that we’re still getting clips.

Unless it’s a backdoor plan to get unofficial feedback from technically-minded fans

Neverar is correct. Though you might be tempted to think shields look cool, the current mock-up is way too bright and eye-catching.

But actually I’m not sure you need the shields. It’s a hangar staffed entirely by robots. They don’t need atmosphere.

If this were a democratic institution, I would move that both those guys are banned just for going on and on and on

I also wonder if they won’t do a purist version (original effects) and a nicer-looking version (original but recomposited effects), with the latter being what gets released in theaters.

oojason said:

Yeah, the vimeo channel videos seem to be ‘deleted scenes’ and ‘raw elements’ type content - a few of us found them really interesting (as well as cool to look at). They could be in indicator towards a physical media release rather than just a DCP for a theatrical run. I do hope we get to see some more of those kind of videos.

The snowspeeder helicopter plate isn’t used in the film, is it? I watched “Search & Rescue” and it doesn’t seem to be in that sequence; can’t think where else it’d go

Jason, you might want to mark the following as containing obvious pre-SE visuals:

ANH

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• cxtuez
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ESB

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ROTJ

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The vimeo clips are mind boggling. Why are they digitizing unused landspeeer and snowspeeder background plate footage? Is there any reason other than recomps to digitize that asteroid? Yet the ANH clips suggest this won’t be recomposites. So, that’s pretty mysterious.

They’re certainly farther along with ANH than the other two movies. Almost nothing from the heaviest model-work sections of ESB & ROTJ.

Thanks for the confirmation of backups, Deback, and the gallery, Jason. I feel like the shots of Sy Snootles and the Sarlacc are all I need to believe this is real.

Verboten said:

By the way, did anyone backup the Vimeo stuff?

I asked this; no one answered. I assume this means “Yes but we don’t want to say so”

Broom Kid said:

They’re not going to cancel the 50th anniversary because leaks of what they’re doing for it got out years earlier and the primary reaction to it were shrugs and a bunch of people posting weird messages about how they’re probably going to get people fired.

This is kinda what I was talking about earlier: We’ve got what looks like pretty incontrovertible proof that we’re finally getting what we’ve been asking for since 2004, and nobody seems particularly happy about it now that it’s happening, LOL.

I don’t think they’re worried about us anymore, if they ever were. And they’re certainly not going to fire a bunch of folks for accidentally posting quality control clips to YouTube that led to… basically nothing. A couple reddit threads nobody seemed to believe, a YouTube video that not a whole lot of people watched, and pretty much all discussion of it being locked at starwarstrilogy.com and now this thread becoming… whatever’s happening right now in here.

The 50th Anniversary is happening. It’s clearly going to be bigger than one wide release of Star Wars, too. This SHOULD be a pretty good thing, the fact we have a very good sign it’s going to be what we’ve been wanting all this time, but not only is the reaction to all this frankly pretty MUTED, but on top of that it’s still more negative than anything.

I think that’s notable.

I think, given the history of this possibility, skepticism is understandable. Don’t count your eggs until they hatch, don’t celebrate with too much confidence until Disney actually makes it official.

Superweapon VII said:

IIRC, there’s a WEG sourcebook that established Luke spent six months on Dagobah. Wish I could make a proper citation, but the Googles do nothing.

Sadly, the relevant pages (pp. 96-100) from The Movie Trilogy Sourcebook found on https://www.starwarstimeline.net/Westendgames.htm seem to be working hard to purposely avoid any mentions of actual measurements of time. The author saw the problem of space being really really really big though, and says that the Executor gets to Bespin first “easily beating the Falcon’s aged backup hyperdrive”, thus explaining how they were able to get to Bespin at all.

Did anyone have the sense to download the vimeo clips before they were taken down?

Mocata said:

Oh here’s the trailer…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pa1KLXuW0Y

Left me with a lot of questions. But mainly… why is this a movie?

It looks exactly like the show without any real cinematic vibe at all. Especially the Sigourney Weaver scene. Why see this in IMAX exactly?

I assume they’re doing this to test if audiences will spend theater-money on cheaper-to-make movies.

I bet they won’t, but I guess it doesn’t hurt to try it

LeviathanTDS said:

Bingowings said:

Darth Farmer is the mocking nickname given to Prowse based on the on set recordings. So called because his Bristol accent is more associated with agricultural archetypes, at least in the 70s it was.

I Always thought Prowse was Scottish though?

Not sure why you thought that. He was from Bristol.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Prowse

It’s “Roller”, not “Rollar”

Mocata said:

timdiggerm said:

Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

I probably would see it if I watched it now, been many years. They weren’t against cutting costs in that era.

https://youtu.be/wTqQrRZi66Q?t=128

I think, much like the wagon in B&B, it’s because hand-drawing that kind of rotation of what ought to be a complex 3d shape is really really really difficult

Mocata said:

Those kind of machinery / vehicle effects always stand out, but they are nice, I remember them in The Rescuers Down Under. Years later they’d be in all kinds of stuff.

On a related but not-CG note, did you know there’s one shot of a rotoscoped bell ringing in Disney’s Robin Hood?

Channel72 said:

I’ve actually met people that claim they can’t tell if something is CGI. And there are people who defend the Prequels saying they can’t tell that the Clonetroopers are CGI.

I assume these people aren’t lying. There’s obviously some psychological aspect to this that isn’t well understood. To me, AoTC mostly looks like glossy shit, with some exceptions (some shots of Coruscant look cool to me).

I agree. There’s great variance in people’s ability to notice this kind of thing. Have you ever noticed the CG in “Bonjour” from Beauty and the Beast (1991)? Go watch that song (it’s wonderful) and see if you spot it.

Did you see it? It’s the cart from 1:17-1:35. It’s very good. In fact, it looks exactly how it ought to, I think. It’s CG used exactly how it ought to be used in a movie like that. I asked my wife, and she didn’t notice anything.

BUT I saw it right away. It stands out to me so clearly as CG. I am not trying to brag about my CG-noticing skills, but my experience leads me to believe that some people aren’t lying. And I bet that the kinds of people who post on a Star Wars message board, especially one on the more technical side of things, are going to be more on the “Noticing CG” side of this.

Mocata said:

Channel72 said:

ANH in particularly has lots of non-Zoomer-friendly scenes, like C3PO and R2-D2 slowly walking through the desert. That was so 70s.

I find this sentiment horrifying.

It’s probably true, but that doesn’t mean it’s good

Matt.F said:

That already looks much better in the screenshot, and as you say it’s got plenty left that could be done with it. Restoration tools and techniques have come on leaps and bounds in the last couple of years, and are only going to improve further with each passing month. If you do further restoration of this scene Phase3 please do share!

Please share in your own thread, not Adywan’s Revisited thread.

I know this isn’t the SE, but all of Red Leader & Gold Leader’s appearances in Rogue One are adjacent to this category

benduwan said:

That is a incredeble work. Will Star wars and empire follow?
Thank you very much.

I’ve thought about it. It’s a lot of work, and their productions were a lot less fraught, a lot less cut at the last minute. I’ve been collecting the storyboards, but I’ve never come across anything for the famous cut stuff from ESB (Wampas in Echo Base, for example), probably because they never made it to post-production effects (and were all on-set effects anyway). As far as I can tell, only ROTJ reached this level of late changes, an unfortunate presage of how things worked in the prequels (particularly the last third of AOTC).