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#1157619
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Haarspalter said:

lovelikewinter said:

Mocata said:

It would have made more sense to show him getting greyer as time went on, since it would then line up with Vader’s face too as they were both dark side users. Didn’t he look worse in AOTC than ROTS? It’s a redundant rebate I suppose.

He totally did.

AOTC

ROTS

I guess they were originally going for him to look more and more corrupted over time.

Never heard of the EMPEROR PALPATINE SURGICAL RECONSTRUCTION CENTER?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Emperor_Palpatine_Surgical_Reconstruction_Center

😉

Sigh. Legends is best canon.

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#1145086
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DrDre said:

TavorX said:

DrDre said:
Yeah, but the thing that bugs me is, that he didn’t help those friends for many years, and just sat on a rock waiting to die. Even the death of his best friend and the fact that his sister was in a coma didn’t change his mind. You speak of cheap tricks, but isn’t it much more cheap to prop up Rey by having her beat Luke in a short battle with sticks? She get’s the better of him, and could have lopped his head of with the lightsaber, if she wasn’t one of the good guys. Jedi Master Luke get’s beaten by a girl, who up till a few days earlier believed he was the stuff of legends. Shouldn’t such blatant disregard for the established in-universe rules bug you just a little bit? Yoda once said: a Jedi must have the most serious mind, the deepest commitment. Does this film do that line justice? It took Luke an entire training sequence to learn how to lift a few rocks with his mind, and we’re supposed to accept that Rey can move tons of rocks to free our heroes easier than Yoda can lift an X-wing out of the water? Are we now supposed to believe Luke could have gotten three basic lessons in the Force (of which only one actually involved the Force), and then beat Darth Vader in a fight, because that’s more or less what happens in this movie.

In my response to this, see this more as me playing Devil’s advocate, because in a weird sense, as you can read earlier in this thread, I had a change of perspective. Still, however, I totally get your side if that makes sense. But again, playing Devil’s Advocate:

When you mention Luke did nothing when Han died or when Leia was in a coma, well Luke had cut himself off from the Force, so he couldn’t had felt any disturbances in the Force to know of these events. BUT as Luke allows himself to open up to the Force again, he does reconnect to Leia, as shown when Leia whispers “Luke” in her coma. Arguably, this does encourage Luke to take action again. He made the effort to communicate with Leia at end as well.
Of course, if I’m in your shoes, then I’m wondering why did he give up to begin with? As you mentioned Yoda’s line, about the commitment of the Jedi ways and serving justice, well, this stuff is coming from a grand Jedi Master that also did nothing for ~20 years, and it’s not like he was waiting for the “right” time (though I sorta think Obi-Wan watching Luke on Tatooine was his “wait for the right time” plan) given how Yoda flat out refuses to train Luke. Even beyond the exile of Yoda, both Yoda and Obi-Wan were telling Luke to confront Vader in ROTJ because they both lose faith in redeeming Vader. So it was up to Luke, their pupil, to show them otherwise, that yes, Luke was right all along that there was still good in Vader.
In your shoes again, you’re saying, "But him confronting Vader SHOULD had been a defining lesson in his career that should had prevented the Kylo Ren!"
Now, again, in a way weird way, I’m on your side on this, but for once, I can also see the other side to the argument and point being made. The legend of Luke is cemented in history. Luke is the savior of the galaxy because he destroyed Vader/the Emperor and the clutches of the Empire. Living up to this iconic status I imagine came with a lot of stress and responsibility. In a way, both Obi-Wan and Yoda were cowards because they passed on the burden of saving the galaxy to Luke because they didn’t have to deal with the stress and responsibility themselves. So years later into Luke trying to craft a Jedi Order, is essentially trying to do it from scratch. This is actually a huge challenge because he has to teach a new generation of students. How do you craft a Jedi Order that doesn’t falter the like previous one but also utilizes Luke’s personal ideologies? Luke may had been trained to be a Jedi, but that doesn’t mean he was trained to be a teacher. He was going about this alone, probably because Obi-Wan and Yoda could only help so much due to how Luke has his own unique perception of the Force that tries to move beyond the old dogmatic ways his previous masters were used to.
Now, we’ve got Ben Solo who is tainted by the dark side. This one person would probably bring destruction to his academy and bring much pain to his friends, like Han Solo. Luke just fucking snapped. Maybe he saw the future of his friends in pain again, and couldn’t bear to go through that again like he did in ESB. So for a fleeting moment, he didn’t want that to happen, but of course the real Luke regrets even thinking like that. Though this was Luke’s error. He was afraid of mistakes. Afraid of failure. Afraid of letting down the history of the Jedi if this one single person could destroy it all.
At this point, when Kylo Ren is made, Luke’s hopes and aspirations were crushed. A broken person that had little support safety nets to fall on. Sure, Leia and Han were there, but they can only understand so much. Luke was alone. Luke couldn’t be the Jedi for the future generation. He could be the Jedi that removed a huge threat to the galaxy, but rebuilding is much more difficult to achieve than destroying is.

If this sounds like mental gymnastics, it probably is. Merely, however, offering this perspective as someone that totally gets your side. I’m not even trying to imply I’m in the “right” here, as I need to see this film a few more times to really digest it all, so me playing Devil’s Advocate is just that, me trying to process it.

Didn’t reply to other points as I felt this long enough, but hopefully it sorta answers your last point about Rey.

Good points! I can see what you mean. I think it would have helped if we had seen more of how Luke got to the point where we see him in Kylo’s room, his loneliness, his self doubt, and Kylo’s struggles with Luke, his parents, and the dark side. As it is now, the film just asks the viewer to accept, that the Luke you know is gone, he’s changed, and o yeah, here’s a very very short scene that depicts him instinctively thinking of killing his nephew. I’m sure you can figure out the details. Good luck!

Yeah, I’m sure the filmmakers were that flippant about this. That’s why they showed the flashback with no context, no narration, no buildup from the previous film, no showing that Luke’s fears were realized despite/because-of his failure, no discussion of his fear of failure, and no one teaching him the value of failure.

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#1144370
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Episode IX Discussion <em>NON SPOILER THREAD</em> - (TLJ SPOILERS IN HERE)
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Things to do in Ep9:

  • Rey studies the Jedi books and develops her abilities more
  • Kylo & Hux continue working out the difficulties of managing an Empire
  • The Rebellion grows
  • Leia dies, almost certainly off-screen, probably early on
  • Kylo either turns or dies

Predictions:

  • The film opens a few years after TLJ
  • The gang are all split up, leading different Rebellion cells
  • At least one cell, in an anti-Empire operation, runs into a cell that spontaneously formed, unconnected to the Rebellion structure, demonstrating the success of the theory explained at the end of TLJ
  • Whichever cell Leia is leading is killed by a big explosion
  • Kylo turns, at the end, to help found the New Jedi Order with Rey. They’re a lot more casual about the whole thing and don’t wear silly robes
  • Some stupid mystery is introduced, because it’s JJ Abrams
  • Nothing more is revealed about Rey’s parentage or Snoke’s origins
  • JEDIT: Phasma returns

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#1112494
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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The general ethos of Revisited, as I understand it, is that in some ways the Special Edition was bad (i.e. bad effects, Jedi Rocks, etc.) but in other ways it was good (replacing too-slow spaceship shots such as the Falcon in ANH right after Han shoots Vader out of the trench), and in many ways it didn’t go far enough (all the additions to the Hoth battle in ESRB). As much as people like to hate the SE because of its problems (the first category I listed), the ot.com philosophy is simply that the OOT should be available, not that some form of the SE should never exist. Revisited, then, is the SE as it should have been.

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#1104929
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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ben_danger said:

I imagine you’ve seen all these already ADY, but others who haven’t been on the forum so long may have not seen them.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B3yF2t_dm8BXUHNrY2wwMHNoa1E?usp=sharing

Years ago a member called SSWR made a bunch of small, yet effective, edit ideas. I didn’t manage to get hold of all of them before he took them offline, but there are some nice small ideas for ROTJ.

I have to say, these are really great mockups, and make changes seem remarkably feasible.

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#1097800
Topic
STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I thought the new hangar matte behind the three talking guys stands out as a little too crisp compared to the actors in the foreground. But it is certainly better than the original.

Other than that, I think the changes (at least as far as I’ve seen) are fantastic. Favorite is definitely the enhanced screens in Echo Base. Hardest to notice unless you know to look for it is the Dagobah matte when Yoda lifts the X-Wing. It 100% looks like it was always there.

JEDIT:
What’s the reason for the pink bacta?

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#1093158
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The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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ray_afraid said:

^ Agreed! Yoda was just another boring asshole in the PT. And even if he did act like Yoda, I still think it’s a mistake to actually meet him until ESB.

Also, why were the Jedi all on a planet covered in technology? I’d always imagined that they gathered somewhere peaceful, surrounded by nature. In ESB, Yoda says something about the force flowing from living things. Seems like that’s why he was in the swamp. But on the city planet, there’s no nature or quiet peace.
(I also hate the building designs. Inside and out. Bluh.)

That’s actually answerable: because the Jedi had become too entrenched in the power structures of the Republic and lost their way, philosophically speaking.

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#1082316
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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Yes, but:

It would have worked just as well in Beyond if the ship had been hijacked and the crew, fearing a destruction that never came, used the escape pods. The actual destruction of the ship was just a plot device to get them all onto this planet and into interesting situations.

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#1082137
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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It is surely a sign that they don’t know other ways to add emotional weight than destroying the Enterprise or threatening Earth.

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#1081714
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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NeverarGreat said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I’ve been considering seeing Star Trek Beyond, as I’ve heard its more in the mold of classic Trek than ST ‘09 & STID. Now, I still haven’t seen the prior two movies and still don’t plan to. Can this movie be viewed as a standalone film, or is it too mired in the continuity of Abrams’ films?

Everything you need to know going into this one is established in Trek '09. IMO, if you can’t stomach watching that film, you shouldn’t bother with Beyond.

Oh and they blew up the Enterprise at the end of STID. I almost forgot about that.

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